We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything..
With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
I definitely hear you and agree 100%, and maybe I poorly communicated with lack of examples, but I intended to express that the diatribes/name-calling/bashing you mention, is exactly the rhetoric many of these labeled “doomers” face. I get that this is the common reaction when dealing with actual shills/glowies, but several anons are being degraded and insulted as if they were actual shills/glowies, for plain or even well thought-out theories that are skeptical/doubtful of the more popular ones here.
I’m sure theres probably users that go full-on lash out when expressing their own theories and encountering criticism/doubt, but the way I’ve seen “doomers” get dragged through the mud and taunted, when delivery wasn’t offensive/questionable... It makes me wonder about the direction of GAW as we go through the storm.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example.
Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?
We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything.. With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Exactly what I mean.
Shills are a thing.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
GTFO of here with that ....lol
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
For the most part, spot on.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
I definitely hear you and agree 100%, and maybe I poorly communicated with lack of examples, but I intended to express that the diatribes/name-calling/bashing you mention, is exactly the rhetoric many of these labeled “doomers” face. I get that this is the common reaction when dealing with actual shills/glowies, but several anons are being degraded and insulted as if they were actual shills/glowies, for plain or even well thought-out theories that are skeptical/doubtful of the more popular ones here.
I’m sure theres probably users that go full-on lash out when expressing their own theories and encountering criticism/doubt, but the way I’ve seen “doomers” get dragged through the mud and taunted, when delivery wasn’t offensive/questionable... It makes me wonder about the direction of GAW as we go through the storm.
r/doomers was weaponized as an attack tactic to use against Trump and MAGA, just like everything on Reddit.
I support this. This is what it's been like for a while.
Constructive, even downright contrary opinions aren't the problem.
The issue comes from the extra little "dig" people feel like they have to get in at the end, like some lurking under the bridge type creature.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example. Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?