People here are so starved for a public victory that they have abandoned all logic and are commenting through pure emotion. If you want to doom go to Patriots.win and let the adults decipher what this all means.
The above take by the positive Patriot, is the most logical I have seen all day. A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota. He wouldnt have gotten any jail time. He would have suffered a slap on the wrist. Just like Clinesmith.
There are bigger fish to fry and this trial has introduced the nation to the likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy run out of the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DoJ, State and the Obama administration. This trial laid the first few planks on that road that need be traveled.
It is also another step towards military tribunals. The Courts have again proven to be utterly corrupt, one sided. The military is the only way.
Before we throw in the towel and lose all hope lets see where this leads.
And most importantly continue to get involved at the grass roots level, remain vigilant and prepare yourself, your family, your neighborhood and your community. This will be a long war against an entrenched and well supplied enemy.
I agree fren. I've lost friends over this Q stuff. I see posts like "it's not about you and your ego it's about the kids" and it makes my blood boil. People on here have lost FAMILIES over this stuff, it's pretty infuriating to be told by other anons we shouldn't want to be vindicated.
If you need vindication then you aren't secure in your beliefs. I have accepted that this could all be an elaborate ruse (lol... okay I can't accept that as a possibility anymore based on simple logic) but regardless the best way to handle outsiders is to simply remind them that belief is irrelevant. We don't need to trust anyone for them to do the right thing. "Q simply is or is not," if people can't respect you for saying that and meaning it then they aren't worth your time.
Anyone whose family isn’t willing to listen, good riddance to those families I say. We don’t need ‘em. They’re just holding us back and not worth the air they breathe.
This comment is not better than mine and I do not support it.
Pretty harsh dude. Understand the frustration, but if we gotta live with 94-96% of who's left on the other side of this, gotta have some connections left or you may end up crusty in a wheelchair with no legs shouting at God for how messed up your life is even though a lot of it was from your own personal choices and random happenings.
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For some reason I pictured you as the guy from Forrest Gump who was grumpy...dunno why I imagined you didn't have legs, although I'm pretty sure you still do, statistically speaking you probably do....
My sister’s husband and kids openly mock her and “joke” about having her committed for her tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. But she kept telling them to wait and she’d be proven right.
Then a year passed. Then another, and another, and another. Then the election, then the inauguration, and so on and so on. She’s being treated like an imbecile. By her own husband and kids.
That’s just one example, and I know there are many more because I read posts like yours and others. The suffering is real. I’ve lost friends and have to remain silent about my beliefs in order to keep my job because of the industry I work in. People around me are beginning to experience serious health issues because they’re on their 4th jab and trust the political science, and will no doubt be first in line for the next one “the experts” recommend.
I understand the desire to keep morale up. But to constantly be told that, ‘it may look bad, but here’s why it’s really great and if you don’t agree you’re doomer/glowie/shill/grifter,’ is truly shocking to behold.
Damn I’m sorry to hear about home fren... Sometimes I forget how much worse it could be for even amongst us anons. Stay strong, prayers for you and yours..
We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything..
With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example.
Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?
A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota
Apparently, we are supposed to be ok with criminals getting away with crime because hey, "there are bigger fish to fry". Letting small criminals get away with shit is why we are in the mess. It's fucking absurd the excuses that are being made here and that everyone should just act like this yet another loss is no big fucking deal.
You really think the populace who has been asleep through the fraud of 2020, covid, etc are going to see this cause as a "likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy.."? BS! They are distracted by BS media like Depp/Heard trial, ff school shootings, and the new Top Gun movie.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
Something clearly forgotten in this whole thread (I believe within Q, as well), are “sheep are gonna sheep.” That will NEVER change within the current generations that devoted their lives to MS media. It may look like an awakening when everything starts to come out, rest assured, the sheep will sheep on whatever the media tells them.
The families that turned on us awake folks, won’t outright admit they were wrong. They’ll warm up to the truth, gently slide in to agreeing with us, and all will be hunky dory with the world in the end. All because control of the MS media was taken over. Not because they learned the truth. If folks haven’t got on board by this point, they aren’t going to, they can’t think for themselves.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
And that is the thing. We have forgotten that we are still in an echo chamber here. That we are conversing with people who at least are aware of things going on, even if they dont believe for the same reasons or outcome, but that are seeing that things are not what media and our Govt is portraying them to be.
Yet so many here are under the impression that the average Joe/Jane is truly paying any attention to anything other than what the mainstream media and the entertainment industry is pushing. Society as a whole is still dead asleep. They may be pissed off about inflation and worried how they are going to financially survive, but they areno here close to connecting the dots that it is our very on Govt, who for GENERATIONS have colluded to create policies to destroy our nation from the inside out. And have used us average citizens, pitting us against one another, to make that job easier.
People here are so starved for a public victory that they have abandoned all logic and are commenting through pure emotion. If you want to doom go to Patriots.win and let the adults decipher what this all means.
The above take by the positive Patriot, is the most logical I have seen all day. A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota. He wouldnt have gotten any jail time. He would have suffered a slap on the wrist. Just like Clinesmith.
There are bigger fish to fry and this trial has introduced the nation to the likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy run out of the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DoJ, State and the Obama administration. This trial laid the first few planks on that road that need be traveled.
It is also another step towards military tribunals. The Courts have again proven to be utterly corrupt, one sided. The military is the only way.
Before we throw in the towel and lose all hope lets see where this leads.
And most importantly continue to get involved at the grass roots level, remain vigilant and prepare yourself, your family, your neighborhood and your community. This will be a long war against an entrenched and well supplied enemy.
I agree fren. I've lost friends over this Q stuff. I see posts like "it's not about you and your ego it's about the kids" and it makes my blood boil. People on here have lost FAMILIES over this stuff, it's pretty infuriating to be told by other anons we shouldn't want to be vindicated.
If you need vindication then you aren't secure in your beliefs. I have accepted that this could all be an elaborate ruse (lol... okay I can't accept that as a possibility anymore based on simple logic) but regardless the best way to handle outsiders is to simply remind them that belief is irrelevant. We don't need to trust anyone for them to do the right thing. "Q simply is or is not," if people can't respect you for saying that and meaning it then they aren't worth your time.
I've changed my entire worldview TWICE in my life--first going from commie leftist to Republican, then going from Republican to swamp-aware Trump man.
How can I possibly be "secure in my beliefs?" I've been wrong so many times.
Anyone whose family isn’t willing to listen, good riddance to those families I say. We don’t need ‘em. They’re just holding us back and not worth the air they breathe.
This comment is not better than mine and I do not support it.
Pretty harsh dude. Understand the frustration, but if we gotta live with 94-96% of who's left on the other side of this, gotta have some connections left or you may end up crusty in a wheelchair with no legs shouting at God for how messed up your life is even though a lot of it was from your own personal choices and random happenings.
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For some reason I pictured you as the guy from Forrest Gump who was grumpy...dunno why I imagined you didn't have legs, although I'm pretty sure you still do, statistically speaking you probably do....
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My sister’s husband and kids openly mock her and “joke” about having her committed for her tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. But she kept telling them to wait and she’d be proven right.
Then a year passed. Then another, and another, and another. Then the election, then the inauguration, and so on and so on. She’s being treated like an imbecile. By her own husband and kids.
That’s just one example, and I know there are many more because I read posts like yours and others. The suffering is real. I’ve lost friends and have to remain silent about my beliefs in order to keep my job because of the industry I work in. People around me are beginning to experience serious health issues because they’re on their 4th jab and trust the political science, and will no doubt be first in line for the next one “the experts” recommend.
I understand the desire to keep morale up. But to constantly be told that, ‘it may look bad, but here’s why it’s really great and if you don’t agree you’re doomer/glowie/shill/grifter,’ is truly shocking to behold.
Damn I’m sorry to hear about home fren... Sometimes I forget how much worse it could be for even amongst us anons. Stay strong, prayers for you and yours..
If you really ARE big Mike's saggin' balls, I have all the sympathy in the world for ya fren.
I’ve pivoted to not talking about it unless it comes up. Otherwise I play along with life normie style. Work is painful.
This comment is also better than mine and I support this one too.
We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything.. With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Exactly what I mean.
Shills are a thing.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
GTFO of here with that ....lol
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
For the most part, spot on.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
r/doomers was weaponized as an attack tactic to use against Trump and MAGA, just like everything on Reddit.
I support this. This is what it's been like for a while.
Constructive, even downright contrary opinions aren't the problem.
The issue comes from the extra little "dig" people feel like they have to get in at the end, like some lurking under the bridge type creature.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example. Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?
Apparently, we are supposed to be ok with criminals getting away with crime because hey, "there are bigger fish to fry". Letting small criminals get away with shit is why we are in the mess. It's fucking absurd the excuses that are being made here and that everyone should just act like this yet another loss is no big fucking deal.
You really think the populace who has been asleep through the fraud of 2020, covid, etc are going to see this cause as a "likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy.."? BS! They are distracted by BS media like Depp/Heard trial, ff school shootings, and the new Top Gun movie.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
Something clearly forgotten in this whole thread (I believe within Q, as well), are “sheep are gonna sheep.” That will NEVER change within the current generations that devoted their lives to MS media. It may look like an awakening when everything starts to come out, rest assured, the sheep will sheep on whatever the media tells them.
The families that turned on us awake folks, won’t outright admit they were wrong. They’ll warm up to the truth, gently slide in to agreeing with us, and all will be hunky dory with the world in the end. All because control of the MS media was taken over. Not because they learned the truth. If folks haven’t got on board by this point, they aren’t going to, they can’t think for themselves.
And that is the thing. We have forgotten that we are still in an echo chamber here. That we are conversing with people who at least are aware of things going on, even if they dont believe for the same reasons or outcome, but that are seeing that things are not what media and our Govt is portraying them to be.
Yet so many here are under the impression that the average Joe/Jane is truly paying any attention to anything other than what the mainstream media and the entertainment industry is pushing. Society as a whole is still dead asleep. They may be pissed off about inflation and worried how they are going to financially survive, but they areno here close to connecting the dots that it is our very on Govt, who for GENERATIONS have colluded to create policies to destroy our nation from the inside out. And have used us average citizens, pitting us against one another, to make that job easier.
^100% agree!
This comment is better than mine and I support it.