It doesn't matter when life begins. It doesn't matter whether a fetus is a human being or not. That entire argument is a red herring, a distraction, a subjective and unwinnable argument that could not matter less. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about a fertilized egg, or a fetus, or a baby, or a five year old, or a Nobel Prize winning pediatric oncologist. NOBODY has the right to use your body, against your will, even to save their life, or the life of another person. That's it. That's the argument. You cannot be forced to donate blood, or marrow, or organs, even though thousands die every year, on waiting lists. They cannot even harvest your organs after your death without your explicit, written, pre-mortem permission. Denying women the right to abortion means we have less bodily autonomy than a corpse.
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Can’t. Fucking. Believe. The. Hypocrisy.
Night after night telling me how selfish I was being how inhuman I was for not taking the vax. Now all of a sudden no one has the right to be forced to do anything even if would save another life.
So write back to them. Tell them that is your personal responsibility to not get pregnant. If you dont want kids either stop having sex or take a contraceptive. Also tell them they were all for forcing people to take a poison they didnt want.
Id ask why their afraid to be honest and admit its murder.
I would argue that when anyone agrees to have sex that is actually permission to use your body for nine months and also be looked after i.e. be fed, clothed and educated, until they want to leave home.
The fact that you only want the fun part and not the next 18 or so years is not the baby's fault. It's yours.
There are fairly reliable ways to prevent conception but if that fails then you need to take responsibility.
This is like saying 2+11+4 doesn’t equal 6 so we’ll just ignore the 11.
None of their life-saving examples is a life that they created, with full knowledge that this new life has a nine-month gestation period.
If it is their position that they have the right to kill anything that is 'using their body', then the only moral thing to do is to abstain from sex so that they don't create that life in the first place.
Would they breed puppies with the sole intention of killing them? Or would they think that was cruel and inhumane?
If their neighbor was breeding puppies with the sole intention of killing them, would they report them to PETA?
Totally right about the puppies. They would freak.
When I was a college student, and I thought that life was fair (hahahahaha) this my body thing made sense.
But guess what? Women are the ones who have the biology to grow more humans. So there is a certain “unfair” cost to that.
Men are generally stronger due to their biology. That’s why they fight other men or wild animals, to keep their women and children safe (home, village, town, country). That sometimes means they die to protect the physically weaker, but more important in the long term for new people. That’s not fair for men.
See—this is more of a mutually beneficial, yin yang, not equal but complementary, kind of situation here.
There is no equality because the biology and evolutionary specialization over millions of years led to a perfect duality. Without men and women, no more people. See how we are both important?
Really shows you how destructive the “gender is a social construct” stuff is. Literally destroys the foundational truths of humanity and civilization.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Honestly, this is a pretty good rationale. It doesn't stand up to my simple belief that murder is murder, and that conception the beginning of life and thus an abortion is murder.
The problem is that the two sides are irreconcilable.
Glad we are winning, 6-3 right now.
Nah, its still fake n gay af.
The best analogy is its like inviting a tenant to sign a 9 month lease, and then at some random point prior to the end of their lease, the landlord goes apeshit and tries to lock out the tenant and even suggests they committed burglary and are squatting. When the cops show up, the landlord tries to argue its their property and they can do what they want with it and nobody can tell them who can and can't live in their house. Any suggestion otherwise is an egregious violation of real property autonomy. Even though this entire scenario was avoidable in the first place by simply not agreeing to sign the lease to start with.
People are retarded how they want freedom from the consequences of their own actions at all times at any cost.
I don't disagree with you. But their argument is relatively well-posited regardless if we disagree with it. In the end, life vs choice is our Trump card.
Very good perspective. Watching someone drown in the ocean is a lot different from holding their head underwater. Of course their argument is pure comedy from the very beginning given their noted vaccine stance
Yeah, that vax inconsistency is a bit problematic for them.
<--> if this much is the world
<-------------------------------------------> then this much is their hypocrisy!
"No vax no job, no travel, no money" they scream until R v W then it's back to "my body my choice"
That smell, it's called bullshit. I detest hypocrites.
Such completely deluded BS.
Tell them if they want an abortion to get another booster shot.
If abortions are illegal that applies to corpses too, so they don’t have less bodily autonomy than a corpse. (😂)