I'm in my late forties and my eyesight has been deteriorating for close work and reading to the point where I needed glasses to read GAW on my 24 inch screen and I was holding my flip phone at nearly arm's length to read texts. I do have glasses of about 2.5 diopters but I find that my depth of field is gone so that I have to keep taking them off to attend to my son who needs constant supervision. I also have a bit of astigmatism so when out of focus, text is doubled and offset diagonally in both eyes.
I was researching LASIK eye surgery to try to fix the problem, at least the astigmatism part, but I can't afford to be out of action. Anyway, the problem is the flexibility of the lens reducing with age so corneal surgery doesn't really help with the loss of focal accomodation. Surgical replacement eye lenses, usually a cataract treatrment, might do the trick, but I feel too young for that and again, I can't be out of action due to my caring responsibilities.
After a little background reading, I found that presbyopia is caused by age related stiffening of the lens caused by chemical crosslinking between the long chain molecules in the lens. The crosslinking is -S-S- bonds, which are sulphur linkages, but may be thought of as oxidative damage for the purposes of treatment.
My medical experiment No.1 which I posted on on GAW was taking nattokinase, a clotbuster and fibrinolytic drug, which helps the body break down clots and scar tissue. I take nattokinase so that I can, in good conscience, mention it to vaxxed people at risk of blood clots. *Please note, there are contraindications to taking the supplement nattokinase such as interactions with other drugs and supplements and increased risk of uncontrolled bleeding. This paragraph does not constitute medical advice and is for curiosity value only.
Here's the post: https://greatawakening.win/p/142AwMNxDv/im-taking-the-clotbuster-supplem/
I reasoned that it might help with stiffening of the lens as it does with other tissues, but it doesn't seem to do this so I searched for an oral supplement which might reverse the stiffening and I found that there had been medical trials of eye drops to reverse the stiffening and the trials had gone well with no ill effects. The eye drops contained unspecified amounts of lipoic acid, an antioxidant which is the main active ingredient and choline, the purpose of which in the drops isn't known to me,
Here's an example:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33514891/
Anyway, you can get lipoic acid (600mg of nature identical alpha lipoic acid in oral capsules) as an antioxidant and health and beauty supplement.
I ordered some and dissolved a tiny bit of the white powder in the capsules in hot water and applied it as warm solution in a tissue to my left eye, letting the eyelid open a bit. It was not uncomfortable and did not seem to have an immediate effect of any kind. I continued this for a few days and imagined that I might be seeing a bit better with that eye. Rather ruining a controlled experiment, I started applying more and more powder as stronger solution to both eyes. When you dissolve half a capsule in a little cold water, it makes a strong milky liquid and at his concentration it stings a little and if you apply it at night, your eye is a bit gummed up in the morning due to the minor irritation.
I have a fine print copy of "How the mind works" by Steven Pinker and I absolutely couldn't read it in any way without glasses before I started my eye treatment. Now I can read it unaided in good light, and I hardly wear my glasses, I'm not wearing them now. The improvement could be coincidental for some reason, or it could be some kind of mind-over-body placebo effect, but the improvement is there.
I'm very happy with my experiment so far. Is this interesting? Any questions?
Important edit after something that came up inthe comments:
I don't think this will work for myopia, although maybe I'm wrong. The myopic lens is too rounded already and the muscles squish the lens to focus I think. This treatment might make myopia worse by making the lens more pliable and rounder due to the resting muscle tension.
I expect this treatment is irreversible so please don't try it for myopia.
Thanks for sharing that.
YW fren!
Very interesting, thank you. I'll dig a little on my own and decide if I want to try something similar for myself. Thanks!
Of course, I can't recommend this treatment.
Keep asking me if I have new side effects!
You little scientist.
Thanks..I’ll keep your instructions and check back how you are in a few months.
I may try it in the future.
I'm blind, BLIND!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t73t7wvnOrM (Admiral Nelson, Blackadder, 7 secs)
Sure! See the youtube link I posted above.
The Blackadder clip:
It's my sense of humour, sorry!
The lipoic acid and choline compound is called lipoic acid choline ester. Binding the lipoic acid with the choline improves absorption in the cornea. The eye drops are still in clinical trials. The concentration of lipoic acid choline ester(lace) in the eye drops in the trials is 1.5%. (edited to fix typo)
Thank you very much!
That's great info.
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing. Did you first try taking it orally, or dissolving some under the tongue? Is there a reason not to do that? Did you use any special cloth, or simply a clean handkerchief?
Long ago, in the 90s, I read a study about how artificially dilating the eyes of young children protected against myopia later in life. I have searched for that article many times later without success, but I have a pet theory that myopia is caused by poor development of eye muscles, due to not getting enough darkness. I've personally observed that kids with night lights tend to get it worse and sooner than kids without it. Something to think about.
Apparently, belladonna was used in ancient Roman times to dilate the pupil. And you can buy belladonna eye drops; Similasan is the brand.
I was just thinking that that might be what the choline was for in the medical trial eyedrops.
I don't think this will work for myopia, although maybe I'm wrong. the myopic lens is too rounded already and the muscles squish the lens to focus I think. This treatment might make myopia worse by making the lens more pliable and rounder.
I expect this treatment is irreversible so no try for myopia.
No, I never tried it orally, simply because I saw that the medical trial was eyedrops so I thought that the lens tissue would get better concentration of the antioxidant that way. Maybe orally works though.
You generally get more farsighted as you get older I believe, and your accommodation drops away, so the amount you can change focus gets less.
I'm sticking to my position. I think people actually get less shortsighted as they get older, their myopic condition actually improves with age. I think it's because the eye does actually change shape, althoug I'm not 100% on the reason.
That's what happened for me from about age 55. I used to be so short sighted that I could focus just beyond the end of my nose but couldn't focus beyond about 30 yards. Now I'm out from about one foot to far distance in good light.
Thank you.
That worked out well! I guess you don't ever need glasses now.
Here's one which mentions eye shape change with age causing longsightedness to increase.
https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/eyes-grow
it's only webmd though, so take it FWIW.
Here's a sample from a search FWIW
from https://www.thelondonclinic.co.uk/services/conditions/short-sight-long-sight-astigmatism#condition-overview
It doesn't mention changing eye shape, but I do remember that from somewhere.
I am really hoping this nattokinese is present in Natto
Yes
Ohhhh .. I wasnt really expecting that answer. I should eat them in earnest now!
I can't get Natto here so I'll try Nachos.
I am sure it will work ;)
I went for an eye exam for lasik around age 50. The dr at stanford mapped my cornea and then told me that my cornea was to thin for the procedure and advised against it. He said I may be able to find someone to do it, but advised not to as it would cause my cornea to bulge and would put me into hard contact lenses. Being I was a practicing surgeon at the time he said it could end my career. He said wait until cataracts start to develop (once retired) and swap out the lens. I retired at 62 and at 64 an eye surgeon said I had early cataract formation and he would do the surgery. I got the multifocal lens in both eyes and I have better than 20-20. Close and far with no glasses. There are bright lights at night when driving and starbursts and halo's. They seem to have subsided over time. But very satisfied and would do it again. Interesting post, thank you.
Sorry I didn't reply before.
My mother is due to have a cataract operation and I have looked at replacement lenses for me and settled on the more expensive multi-focals because of the increased accommodation. it was good because I was able to tell her about them and the advantage (no glasses) and disadvantages, price, haloes.
It's really great to hear that the haloes you experienced have reduced with time. I wonder whether that's a physical thing with the replacement lens material or whether you compensate with your visual system and stop being able to see them.
Anyway, thank you.
Choline supports your collagen network
Good for you. Been looking for some process like this for glaucoma - the Ayurvedic ancients used leeches to remove the excess fluid/pressure but looking for something to open the tubes to drain as they should.
I'll keep my eyes open for anything on glaucoma. What makes it worse?
Order some growth hormone off international pharmacies like napsgear.org or other bodybuilding websites. Don’t need much, it’s expensive but you aren’t bodybuilding. 1-2 IU a day 5 days a week. Your eyesight will improve on its own. Along with metabolism and just about every other function in your entire body. Within 2 weeks your facial skin texture will improve significantly.
It completely overshadows any other general supplement for quality of life. Nothing touches it. I’m gonna be taking it until the day I die.
Yes. It’s typically done in the stomach area with a tiny insulin needle. Usually it comes as a powder, you reconstitute with bacteriostatic water and store in the fridge. It’s relatively stable as a powder, but once it’s mixed with water it must be kept cool and never shaken. GH is very fragile chain of amino acids. Even shaking it to mix it up is a no no.
You don’t go deep; it’s not intramuscular, you just put the needle in a tiny bit into to your belly fat.
Who needs adrenochrome when we have GH. Why do you think Tom Cruise and Stallone and Joe Rogan look so good as legitimate old men? They been doing GH for years.
That's interesting thanks. I would like to know how the growth hormone is derived, but I could find it out.
btw. You're a medical doctor aren't you IIRC.
Nah ex military and ex bodybuilder. As far as I know, GH is actually very similar to insulin, as far as production goes.
I must have got you confused with another fren. Sorry!
This is very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Wow, thanks for being a guinea pig, experiementing with your eyes, now that's ballsy. 😚.
In all seriousness though, looks like you did your homework to be comfortable with starting your science project. Let us know how it goes, it's interesting.
Thank you!
But as far as risk taking goes, I take my hat off to the normies,
I'm nowhere near brave enough to take the vax!
Hello, hope you're still around and I can get some advice:
I got my hands on some Alpha Lipoic Acid but when I mixed it with cold or hot water, it just came out as a sticky glue like substance, and not as what you describe as a watery milky compound. I've no idea why although I'm concluding my acid is very different from yours or that I'm preparing incorrectly.
I got this:
https://files.catbox.moe/0i7jke.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/knn5k5.jpg
I think this one is yours:
https://files.catbox.moe/e7yg8a.jpg
If it's the ingrediants then do you know the specific ingrediant which is causing the making of the goo substance, so that I can find some lipoc acid without that ingrediant?
Sorry, I know it might be a stretch to ask you but I thought I might ask. Thank you for your time.
Mine are "The Body & skin Clinic" It has written on it
"Alpha Lipoic Acid 600mg Veggie capsules"
and
"Ingredients: Pure Alpha Lipoic Acid no fillers or added artificial ingredients."
You can pull the capsules apart and tip out the white powder in them. When you mix it with a few millilitres of cold water it will make a milky liquid, I think if you use insufficient water you get a white paste which is not particularly gloopy. If you get some of the liquid you have made on your clothes, it precipitates out as it dries and makes washable white marks.
Perhaps the gelatin in yours is causing your issue or the silica gel.
"Perhaps the gelatin in yours is causing your issue or the silica gel."
👍🏻 Right, what I'm getting is not a white power from the capsules, kind of like very very small yellow pellets. So when I try and melt it with cold water, nothing happens, and when I use hot water then I get a soft toffee consistancy.
I'll try and find another lipoic acid without the gelatin and silica gel and experiement.
How's your eye sight now, improved? If so, have you done anything different?
Both eyes are OK, both have improved a bit. I haven't applied the lipoic acid to them for a couple of weeks but the improvement has stayed. I have much less eye strain and I'm not using glasses for my computer screen like I was before. I still need glasses for very fine print such as you find on ingredients lists on small packets of food.
I'll do another course of treatment soon.
I was told by my doctor that ALA lowers the spikes in your blood sugar, which lessens the damage to the inside of your arterial walls. Your experiment is quite interesting and I wonder if you could dissolve the ALA powder in saline eye drops and apply it that way.
You mean adding saline to my eye drops, yes? I'm already applying lipoic acid directly to my eyes.
Great info from your doctor!
Thanks, this is interesting
I wonder if it helps with cataracts
Maybe.
Nattokinase is supposed to help with cataracts, that might be a better bet.
Natto helps with a lot of issues, including high cholesterol and female problems (endometriosis, etc.). Like the OP said, though, you have to watch how much it thins your blood. You can not take it with aspirin or any blood thinner or you could, possibly bleed to death from something minor.
there is a product called CAN-C that has 1% NAC and is sold to help prevent cataracts.
Where is the best place to follow along with your updates on success?
I don't know yet, Maybe I should do a follow-up post.
In any case, you are welcome to message me.