Think about what the annexation of the 4 territories previously under Ukraine jurisdiction by Russia, based on the clear will of the peoples of these territories, means. This annexation COMPLETELY changes the situation in Ukraine.
Previously, the conflict in Ukraine was a military incursion of corrupt Ukraine by Russia for the denazification of Ukraine, removal and neutralization of the Biolabs, and protection and preservation of the ethnically Russian citizens residing in Ukraine territory.
However, with the annexation of the territories, these territories can no longer be considered Ukraine, but from a legal standpoint, are now part of Russian soil.
Therefore, any bomb that Ukraine or its NATO allies drop in these areas has now become the equivalent of dropping a bomb in Moscow.
The situation has been flipped. This is a big deal. It means instead of Russia merely undertaking a (justified) action to protect its borders from abuse and attack by a hostile regime, that hostile regime has now been put in the position of attacking Russia if they attempt to attack or abuse these regions.
For Ukraine and its allies, the conflict has transitioned from being legally a defense action to one where they now pivot on the edge of becoming the aggressors.
Putin has pulled a switcheroo. And he is fully prepared and ready to smack down the Globalist aggressors when they trip up.
We may imagine that war is all chaos, mayhem and that rules or law do not apply. But that's not true at all. Law, and rules, apply, and those who violate the law can be held accountable. Spiritual warfare is a form of law warfare; claims and counterclaims are made. Truth and moral standing are critical.
The annexation of the 4 regions - "illegal annexation" the Deep State West decries - has changed the playing field and the ramifications of action dramatically.
When Putin used to say "Special Military Operation" the normies used to laugh.
Now they realise "Oh shit, thats why he called it Special Military Operation"
Like I said before, they attack the new Russian territory you're going to see a Russian response that will be massive and overwhelming. To all the normie retards who think "Putin lost and his military is destroyed" will witness some shit like they've never seen before. Everything until now as been a Russian rope-a-dope move.
That's what I'm waiting to see just to witness all the media (conservative included) to eat a huge slice of humble pie.
One thing to note is that the four oblasts who are joining Russia produce 80% of Ukraine's GDP. Economically Ukraine has already effectively ceased to exist.
Keep in mind that Russia annexed Crimea 4-years ago, so that was part of Russia.
An attack against Crimea was then an 'attack on Russia itself'... and yet it still happened and here we are.
The situation is far from over and the fighting over those territories is not likely to stop. Russia is stating that any fighting in those territories will either be declared terrorism against Russia (and treated as such) or an act of war directly against Russia. It escalates the situation. There is no cause for any celebration, because consequences just became far more serious for all involved.
I take it more as we're in a transitory phase of the conflict. Right now Zalensky and Putin are both posturing to intimidate the other.
Putin is basically saying "this is mine now. attack at your own peril" and Zalensky is basically say "well I'll go crying to NATO and they'll kick your ass, take that!"
So Putin has effectively established a foothold in Ukraine now and he's been courting an alliance the whole time with BRICS nations. Zalensky's application to NATO can be seen as a natural response and WILL escalate tensions if it goes through.
My question is will NATO/EU actually try to become aggressors here and start war with Russia? If the Ruskies aren't joking, they may very well start bringing real conflict to the heads of the EU. Meanwhile, people like Meloni are getting more and more in power. That's dissent among the ranks. Perhaps EU wants to clean house of its rebellious element?
If Putin were smart, he'd play the long game of "liberating the people of Europe" by severing the bureaucratic heads and letting them rule themselves, although maybe part as an alliance or member of the Russian federation. This would be a long and hard path of politics as much as military, but I could see it.
Too much time has gone by. Zelensky has not acted remotely according to reason, spurning negotiation except under fanciful conditions (Putin repaced by new President of Russia, all Russian forces withdrawn, no Russian incorporation of the 4 provinces). The idea of drawing NATO in is a potential escalation. My thinking is that now the time is right, Putin has the resources and national will to obliterate the Ukrainian armed forces now that they are severely weakened, sweep down upon Kiev (from Belarus?) and hold it under siege until the Zelensky government is handed over by name. Meanwhile, swift measures are taken to blot out all instances of Western military supply within Ukraine's borders and close off cross-border access. The best way to prevent NATO from entering the theater is to close all the doors and remove their enablers. In war, being swift is also being considerate of casualties.
Idk why we are sitting on this. Slowly but surely ukraine will eventually turn back into Russia. There may be a sliver of it left and that will be allowed to join the EU but by then it won’t be much of anything
So, in light of the Ukraine shrinkage, again I ask, how much aid does Ukraine need?
As much as is needed to keep the banks afloat.
And line the coffers in downtown Tel Aviv?
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-germany-rearms-with-israeli-weapons-1001416383
Now, any foreign military presence on Russian soil becomes an invasion. Zelensky's declaration of continuing to retake the provinces by force becomes a declaration of war...against Russia.
I've been following the moving frontline on the daily-updated Ukraine war maps at Readovka since the start of the fighting. (site in Russian)
They've been highlighting the contested regions in their own color, and it's interesting that the most recent map has already switched to now coloring those regions as part of Russia.
Certainly what you'd expect, but it's interesting to see it shown on a map so quickly.
What do the people of Ukraine get for the loss of those territories? Anything? This cuased Ukraine to ask th join NATO, which I'm sure they will be glad to have them. So if this was Russia's main concern, Putin just cuased it to happen. If Russia wanted these provinces, and had a decent claim to them due to the will of the people there, there should have been a territorial exchange or other real exchange. I view this as just a land grab.
You've got it upside-down. The provinces belonged to the people living there. And they wanted to become Russian citizens. Ukraine was shelling them and killing them for 8 years; it isn't owed a ruble. How much is a human life worth?
Let me make it clear: a government loses all legitimacy if it makes war against its own people. A lot of people in the West don't want to recognize that fact.
That is true. I know there's massive corruption there, and there are ethnic difficulties. I just think like I would not want to see the US chopped up, so while I do understand Putin's concerns, I sympathize with the people of Ukraine. Maybe they don't care if those provinces go to Russia.
But those provinces WERE the "people of Ukraine." By the way they were treated, they have no love for Ukraine as a national government. (I've seen one video where a Donbass woman declared almost in agony "Ukraine is dead to me.") The rest of the people of Ukraine did not care what was happening. So why did they want the territories? As a genocidal punching bag to satisfy their blood lust for extermination? The clear fact is that they wanted the occupants wiped out so their productive legacy could be taken over by non-Russians. Plunder, in other words. Like a jealous mugger, they object to the policeman putting their prey under protection. And think they can continue their attack. This is a world in which base passions have overrun any semblance of reason. What do you do with a mad dog?
Dude, do you really think that Putin and the White Hats are acting randomly or that this hasn't all be war-gamed and mapped out in multiple scenarios to the nth degree?
This is the Art of War. The corrupt Cabal and the fiat currency central bankers are being pushed, corralled, cornered and destroyed. If Ukraine joins Nato, and Nato accepts Ukraine, you can be certain that Putin has 100 plans to deal with that. Very likely, this recent move is undertaken precisely to FORCE that result.
The Russia - Ukraine conflict is simply one part of the global Gold War destroying the Deep State and Globalist Cabal.
Hopefully, you are right. I hope that in the end, everyone there gets what they need. I just know I wouldn't want America chopped up, so I have trouble supporting the same with another country. Yes the people there voted. If they were honest free and fair elections, than the Russian ethnic groups made their choice. However, there must be other territory that would rather be with Ukraine. Transfer that to Ukraine in exchange for those joining Russia.
u/#wrong
It was Trump himself suggested a peace deal there. I merely suggested the same thing, but give and take. Not just Putin take take take.