This has been in the works for sometime now. With the recent Gruesome steal, California will soon follow. Can only push ppl so far where they say F you, I'm not playing anymore because you cheat, and then leave. More power to them. P.S They took their money and resources with them.
it is really a shame that for such a good state. it has a name like a Kymilia Declaration nd a eastern border that looks like Pedo-Jo is sniffing it.... Maybe they should work a land deal with Montana just to disrupt that outline...(once you see it...)
That include west virginia? Seems to me if these counties proved the state committed election fraud would make it a case of treason which would given them legal grounds to separate.
That would be a creative legal angle to argue. West Virginia was an interesting case because the Constitution explicitly prohibits the forming of a new state from within an already existing state. When VA devolved into a state of rebellion, the loyal governemnt relocated to the western part of the state, claiming to be the legitimate government of VA. Loyal western counties then petitioned the loyal VA government to secede from VA. Arguably, the Constitution doesn't explicitly prohibit states from permitting counties within its own borders, to secede from the state. So ipso facto, after the loyal, legitimate government of VA allowed these counties to secede from VA, they essentially became territories of the United States because all land within the borders of the USA, is ultimately still under the jurisdiction of the federal government. So at that point, as territories, yes, they could then appeal to Congress for statehood, which only Congress would need to approve, as they did.
The whole process was something of a constitutional loop hole. The rebellion argument does hold far more legal weight than what happened with Maine being formed out of Massachusetts.
The CA counties could make the claim that California is in a state of rebellion, and attempt what the loyal Virginians did. But it's still a really, really gray area, constitutionally speaking. An amendment to the Constitution explicitly clarifying the question, would certainly be an improvement.
I don't really like the approach though. It creates a problem for the purpose of solving a problem. A better, constitutionally cleaner solution would just be for the federal government to put down the rebellion in California and elsewhere... unlike in 1860-1865, we have far less defined geographic boundaries to define "where" the rebellion exists... arguably, it exists to some degree, everywhere throughout the entire country.
That is not reason Constitutionally for them to leave. Violation of the General Welfare Clause of the State Constitution of Oregon however, that is reason to leave. In other words, if the citizens of those counties can show that the state of Oregon cannot meet their obligations of providing basic general welfare of the citizens, as in crime, safety, education, health, etc, then they have reason to head for greener pastures. The state of Oregon has failed their governmental contract with the citizens - in other words, the citizens want a divorce.
This is a start. Movements like this are brewing in several states. They are organized and have been putting governmental structures together for a number of years. It does take people and money to move these things along. They do not manifest on their own. God bless those citizens that have remained true to the cause and have hung in there getting these movements organized and in front of the people.
This is not the first time states have been shuffled when citizens come to an impasse with the state where they reside. West Virginia is one that comes to mind. The foundations for this type of move have been done in the past and the remedy for this is spelled out in the Constitution. Like amendments to the Constitution, leaving one state and joining another, or starting a new state, is not supposed to be easy. It will be an uphill battle and will take time. It will only succeed in the end if those involved persevere.
Would be better to pursue statehood to counter the solid 2 blue senators they leave behind. Perhaps then eastern Washington & Mostifornia could do the same.
This has been in the works for sometime now. With the recent Gruesome steal, California will soon follow. Can only push ppl so far where they say F you, I'm not playing anymore because you cheat, and then leave. More power to them. P.S They took their money and resources with them.
But I have known the shape of Idaho for more than 50 years now🤣😂
it is really a shame that for such a good state. it has a name like a Kymilia Declaration nd a eastern border that looks like Pedo-Jo is sniffing it.... Maybe they should work a land deal with Montana just to disrupt that outline...(once you see it...)
I think these counties have to prove they can grow potatoes before Idaho will allow this. Long standing law.
Welcome aboard!
Unfortunately, under the Constitution county votes accomplish nothing without approval from both state legislatures and Congress.
That include west virginia? Seems to me if these counties proved the state committed election fraud would make it a case of treason which would given them legal grounds to separate.
That would be a creative legal angle to argue. West Virginia was an interesting case because the Constitution explicitly prohibits the forming of a new state from within an already existing state. When VA devolved into a state of rebellion, the loyal governemnt relocated to the western part of the state, claiming to be the legitimate government of VA. Loyal western counties then petitioned the loyal VA government to secede from VA. Arguably, the Constitution doesn't explicitly prohibit states from permitting counties within its own borders, to secede from the state. So ipso facto, after the loyal, legitimate government of VA allowed these counties to secede from VA, they essentially became territories of the United States because all land within the borders of the USA, is ultimately still under the jurisdiction of the federal government. So at that point, as territories, yes, they could then appeal to Congress for statehood, which only Congress would need to approve, as they did.
The whole process was something of a constitutional loop hole. The rebellion argument does hold far more legal weight than what happened with Maine being formed out of Massachusetts.
The CA counties could make the claim that California is in a state of rebellion, and attempt what the loyal Virginians did. But it's still a really, really gray area, constitutionally speaking. An amendment to the Constitution explicitly clarifying the question, would certainly be an improvement.
I don't really like the approach though. It creates a problem for the purpose of solving a problem. A better, constitutionally cleaner solution would just be for the federal government to put down the rebellion in California and elsewhere... unlike in 1860-1865, we have far less defined geographic boundaries to define "where" the rebellion exists... arguably, it exists to some degree, everywhere throughout the entire country.
That is not reason Constitutionally for them to leave. Violation of the General Welfare Clause of the State Constitution of Oregon however, that is reason to leave. In other words, if the citizens of those counties can show that the state of Oregon cannot meet their obligations of providing basic general welfare of the citizens, as in crime, safety, education, health, etc, then they have reason to head for greener pastures. The state of Oregon has failed their governmental contract with the citizens - in other words, the citizens want a divorce.
This is correct and the premise they use. Anyone who understands this will kn ow this could happen.
If only this actually went forward.
This is a start. Movements like this are brewing in several states. They are organized and have been putting governmental structures together for a number of years. It does take people and money to move these things along. They do not manifest on their own. God bless those citizens that have remained true to the cause and have hung in there getting these movements organized and in front of the people.
I'd like to ditch Pima County to California. I don't live in Pima County, but it is a bastion of lawlessness.
Never been there but have not heard good things. I think lawlessness sums it up pretty well. They would fit well with CA.
Agreed, however I don't believe any of this has ever actually been done so who knows what both sides will try
This is not the first time states have been shuffled when citizens come to an impasse with the state where they reside. West Virginia is one that comes to mind. The foundations for this type of move have been done in the past and the remedy for this is spelled out in the Constitution. Like amendments to the Constitution, leaving one state and joining another, or starting a new state, is not supposed to be easy. It will be an uphill battle and will take time. It will only succeed in the end if those involved persevere.
And here we all thought everyone would just join Ohio, but it was Idaho all along.
https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/two-oregon-counties-vote-to-move-state-lines-for-a-greater-idaho/?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral
Would be better to pursue statehood to counter the solid 2 blue senators they leave behind. Perhaps then eastern Washington & Mostifornia could do the same.
I wish NEW YORK STATE would cut NYC out
Wow!! I didn’t know this was possible! Maybe the based parts of Colorado (south and East) can become part of Kansas.
If they pull that off it will be great for idaho that has become increasingly stolen by the left.
Some nitwit thinks people will wait on state legislatures. We don't want yku anymore collectively we will get rid of you. People are fed up.