A cloud. Think about a rocket and the cloud it leaves behind. So supernaturally christ ascended and it was such a mighty force that it left a cloud. When reading scripture you have to realize that they were trying to explain things in their time with their knowledge. We are different. We know more and therefore a lot of what they said back then makes no sense to us today. Christ ascended as in he was transformed in an instant and this was witnessed by many. He was transformed from flesh to spirit. From deminsion to deminsion. Most Christian’s have this wrong because they are following traditions that have been handed down. You have to take the totality of scripture and history into mind when pondering these things. The Bible is 100% true. Man has put their twist on it in order for personal gain. Take all commentary out and read scripture in the mindset of someone living in that time. Who what where when why and how. Always ask those questions. Be analytical. Heaven is ever present but we cannot see it as we were cursed in the garden. God put a blinder on us. Heaven is another word for deminsion. Gods ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours but he is the creator and we should put that #1 in our mind and heart. Just as we would with a living mother and father. We know nothing other than what they teach us. Yet we yearn to go outside and see what else there is.
You are being arbitrary when distinguishing "scripture and history" from "handed down traditions". Taking the totality of scripture and reliable history does not infer Christ transformed from flesh to spirit. Body and spirit are ultimately inseparable. Christ did not cease being a man. He is still physical but in the glorified body it is not the kind of physical we are accustomed to (passing through locked doors, ascending, etc).
The resurrection of the dead, of which Christ was the "first fruits", can be literally translated "standing up in the midst of corpses". The Greeks were repulsed by this teaching, i.e. that the body is good and necessary in the life hereafter. But it is true, our identity is inseparable from our physical body. It is the ancient Gnostics, Platonists, and now the LGBTQ+ and transhumanists and neo Gnostics who deny embodiment, who want you to think that the physical body is merely an obstacle to overcome to attain to true self, or ascension, or enlightenment, or whatever label you want to give it. God is the God of the physical and spiritual and he once called it all good, and on the last day he will redeem and glorify his people in both body and soul, not transforming it into some immaterial ethereality.
Just don't be sleeping on slippery Satan sheets, you will slide off the bed and go down a chute leading directly to hell.
Let no one forget that for hundreds of years there were no printing presses. Scribes literally re-scripted the text over and over and over. Changing the spelling of a word by one or two letters can change the entire context. An example: "Go forth and Celebrate." VS "Go forth and be Celibate." mean two entirely different things. Of course in fairness, I also changed the words from "and" to "be" in this example. But it gets my point across. I have a very hard time trying to discern what the original messages in the bible were. Not only does this trouble me, but why were entire books of the bible taken out? To serve whom? I cannot provide a verse but I know I have heard about this over the years how the book of Enoch was removed and I believe doesn't it speak of reincarnation?
I would semi agree with your no printing presses point if it weren't for the dead sea scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls contained the oldest known copies of the Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the old testament. They were %99.9 the same as the oldest known copies we had of the Septuagint at the time of discovery (1948 I believe) and the differences were mainly spelling. This is also important because the Hebrew Masoretic text was created from earlier Hebrew source texts sometime before the 11th century AD but there were VERY many more intentional changes in them than the differences between the two Septuagint copies that i mentioned before. The changes were mainly in dates and genealogies so obviously the anti Jesus Jews were trying to change key Genealogies to try and disprove Jesus's lineage and sabotage Christianity. Ironically most modern English bible translations use the Masoretic text -_- ....by the way the book of Enoch in its entirety was found within the Dead Sea Scrolls.....also the Ethiopian orthodox Church was the only sect of Christianity that we know of that used the book of Enoch traditionally in their biblical texts.
Man has put their twist on it in order for personal gain. Which parts exactly? Remember all of the original text in their original language is still entirely available.
Since we believe very important info about the world and it’s surroundings have been kept from us then it’s realistic to believe they also withheld very important historical info on the world’s religions.
If that info is now coming to light then I would have to say it is God who is acting on the reveal.
That said, As far as I know Genesis doesn’t speak about God taking Adam and Eve’s memory of Him away. If that’s true, then they left the Garden with the knowledge that God is real. From there we can deduce that it has been man that put the real blinders on us.
Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The blinders are a different issue, perhaps like God allowing some people to come under a great delusion.
Q didn't say that God had put blinders on us. He only said we are "repressed." By worldly powers, obviously. There is that within us that will allow us to rise above the repression (ascension?).
Communication by code words is not at all plain speech. It deliberately engages confusion, mystification, and tangential speculation. I am not fond of it, having seen all the nonsense spawned in arguments over meaning.
A cloud. Think about a rocket and the cloud it leaves behind. So supernaturally christ ascended and it was such a mighty force that it left a cloud. When reading scripture you have to realize that they were trying to explain things in their time with their knowledge. We are different. We know more and therefore a lot of what they said back then makes no sense to us today. Christ ascended as in he was transformed in an instant and this was witnessed by many. He was transformed from flesh to spirit. From deminsion to deminsion. Most Christian’s have this wrong because they are following traditions that have been handed down. You have to take the totality of scripture and history into mind when pondering these things. The Bible is 100% true. Man has put their twist on it in order for personal gain. Take all commentary out and read scripture in the mindset of someone living in that time. Who what where when why and how. Always ask those questions. Be analytical. Heaven is ever present but we cannot see it as we were cursed in the garden. God put a blinder on us. Heaven is another word for deminsion. Gods ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours but he is the creator and we should put that #1 in our mind and heart. Just as we would with a living mother and father. We know nothing other than what they teach us. Yet we yearn to go outside and see what else there is.
Context is so import when reading the Bible.
Great comment!
Like …..?
You can’t just leave me hanging, which version r u recommending?
You are being arbitrary when distinguishing "scripture and history" from "handed down traditions". Taking the totality of scripture and reliable history does not infer Christ transformed from flesh to spirit. Body and spirit are ultimately inseparable. Christ did not cease being a man. He is still physical but in the glorified body it is not the kind of physical we are accustomed to (passing through locked doors, ascending, etc).
The resurrection of the dead, of which Christ was the "first fruits", can be literally translated "standing up in the midst of corpses". The Greeks were repulsed by this teaching, i.e. that the body is good and necessary in the life hereafter. But it is true, our identity is inseparable from our physical body. It is the ancient Gnostics, Platonists, and now the LGBTQ+ and transhumanists and neo Gnostics who deny embodiment, who want you to think that the physical body is merely an obstacle to overcome to attain to true self, or ascension, or enlightenment, or whatever label you want to give it. God is the God of the physical and spiritual and he once called it all good, and on the last day he will redeem and glorify his people in both body and soul, not transforming it into some immaterial ethereality.
Well written
That's why Muslims gotta have the body.
What do you mean by "deminsion", Pumpkin?
Demonisation?
Just don't be sleeping on slippery Satan sheets, you will slide off the bed and go down a chute leading directly to hell. Let no one forget that for hundreds of years there were no printing presses. Scribes literally re-scripted the text over and over and over. Changing the spelling of a word by one or two letters can change the entire context. An example: "Go forth and Celebrate." VS "Go forth and be Celibate." mean two entirely different things. Of course in fairness, I also changed the words from "and" to "be" in this example. But it gets my point across. I have a very hard time trying to discern what the original messages in the bible were. Not only does this trouble me, but why were entire books of the bible taken out? To serve whom? I cannot provide a verse but I know I have heard about this over the years how the book of Enoch was removed and I believe doesn't it speak of reincarnation?
I would semi agree with your no printing presses point if it weren't for the dead sea scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls contained the oldest known copies of the Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the old testament. They were %99.9 the same as the oldest known copies we had of the Septuagint at the time of discovery (1948 I believe) and the differences were mainly spelling. This is also important because the Hebrew Masoretic text was created from earlier Hebrew source texts sometime before the 11th century AD but there were VERY many more intentional changes in them than the differences between the two Septuagint copies that i mentioned before. The changes were mainly in dates and genealogies so obviously the anti Jesus Jews were trying to change key Genealogies to try and disprove Jesus's lineage and sabotage Christianity. Ironically most modern English bible translations use the Masoretic text -_- ....by the way the book of Enoch in its entirety was found within the Dead Sea Scrolls.....also the Ethiopian orthodox Church was the only sect of Christianity that we know of that used the book of Enoch traditionally in their biblical texts.
Looks to be just a simple mispelling of dimension.
That is what has been freaking me out a bit. If God put the blinders on us, who is taking them off, exactly?
Since we believe very important info about the world and it’s surroundings have been kept from us then it’s realistic to believe they also withheld very important historical info on the world’s religions. If that info is now coming to light then I would have to say it is God who is acting on the reveal.
That said, As far as I know Genesis doesn’t speak about God taking Adam and Eve’s memory of Him away. If that’s true, then they left the Garden with the knowledge that God is real. From there we can deduce that it has been man that put the real blinders on us.
*just my two cents.
Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The blinders are a different issue, perhaps like God allowing some people to come under a great delusion.
Yes they did & perhaps God did, just that.
ALL things are through His will. Every veil lifted. You experience it daily, give thanks to Him for his awakening of your soul.
Q didn't say that God had put blinders on us. He only said we are "repressed." By worldly powers, obviously. There is that within us that will allow us to rise above the repression (ascension?).
Communication by code words is not at all plain speech. It deliberately engages confusion, mystification, and tangential speculation. I am not fond of it, having seen all the nonsense spawned in arguments over meaning.
We start taking the blinders off when we make our minds and selves in alignment with God. It's a self transformative process of uniting with Christ.