🤔⚖🌎 BREAKING: AZ Judge Sets Schedule For Kari Lake Lawsuit Against Maricopa County – Motion To Dismiss Due By Thursday – Tentative Trial Scheduled for Next Week 🤔⚖🌎
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Starts at 39m https://rumble.com/v20gfgk-breaking-emergency-hearing-in-maricopa-county-regarding-2022-election-12132.html
Sounded like all defendant's will file motion to dismiss. I believe Hobbs has not been served (maybe been dodging the paperwork).
The multiple defendant's agreed to split time to be heard since they all essentially are asking for the same thing.
Trial is planned for 2 days currently, with option to extend if I understand it correctly.
Judge has 5 days to review evidence & decide. If they take 3 days in hearing, they will push this decision to the day before Hobbs is supposed to be installed as governor.
I believe this will start Monday, so all parties can get their paperwork in on time.
Hobbs is on the run. She didn't feel safe in the basement. Too obvious to hit the Mexico border so I suspect north on 15, go Rambo in Yellowstone until spring and then slip over the Canadian border. She's got this. If you do see a gray haired mongrel Dog eating a bison face first in the snow, do not approach.
So her sister steps in... This Parent Trap rerun is getting fun.
LoL, this required a uptick. 👍
Thanks for the summary u/HonestBobbin 👈🏻
No problem, had an extra hour today & figured this would help.
No problem, had an extra hour today & figured this would help.
It seems to me that this is a bad framework for deciding election challenges. That is a helluva rushed timeline. And I would bet that Lake would ideally like to be able to depose Hobbs, as well as subpoena various evidence she would not otherwise be privy to but the state would be.
In essence, I do not envy Lake's legal team. They will be on the fly refuting Maricopa board arguments/evidence without any real meaningful opportunity to vet their defenses in advance of having to litigate in a bench trial. These guys could make all sorts of outrageous claims and it wouldnt be possible to comprehensively refute them if you are unprepared.
I'd like to get all of those exhibits they are talking about. It would be interesting to see what they have.
Good points. The legal battles I have been on the defense required me to anticipate my opponents concerns & then have my response ready to submit to my attorney. I knew them well enough that we generally had about 80% prepared before they submitted. It helped us to more quickly dismantle their claims.
Hoping and praying Kari Lake will overturn this sham of an election.
If all the dates are set, am wondering how likely the judge will be to dismiss..seems like the judge wants to move forward..or am I just looking for confirmation bias?
Courts make contingent scheduling orders all the time. He's gotta clear the docket if there is a trial. Guy can't telegraph a dismissal so plainly by NOT making a tentative trial date. That would be obvious bias, as no motion to dismiss nor grounds to dismiss it have been filed yet.
Based on the propaganda media articles ridiculing this suit, any dismissal is not going to be related to standing. They are going to challenge the sufficiency of the pleadings. But this is not in federal court.
https://scholarship.law.uc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1410&context=uclr
According to this law review article, the bullshit Bell Atlantic v. Twombly and Iqbal v. Ashcroft decisions that cause all sorts of havoc in the standards for pleadings are not law in Arizona (as of 2020 - doubt it suddenly changed when those cases are from 15 years ago). Meaning that "plausibility" is absent from the analysis, and regular "notice pleadings" standards are used. A short and plain statement of the claim showing the plaintiff is entitled to relief is the standard. And in reviewing the sufficiency of pleadings, facts alleged in the complaint are presumed to be true, with all reasonable inferences drawn in favor of the plaintiff.
That is a big deal. Iqbal/Twombly are like the key bullshit scotus cases that opened the door to early dismissal of viable cases just based on the incredulity of the judge in reading the allegations. That's bullshit. It is also not what Congress intended when switching to notice pleadings in 1938.
Just curious, you think this will make it to trial?
In the legal world, there is no guarantee of outcomes no matter how strong your case might be. What should happen and what actually happens don't always line up. In a sane world, this gets tried because one has to accept the allegations in the pleadings as true and draw all reasonable inferences in favor of the plaintiff. I don't really see how a judge would get around that. But just because I cannot foresee egregious bullshit opinions dismissing a case doesn't mean that there won't be one.
If the judge boots this case, the weakest grounds are going to be on remedy. If the remedy requested cannot be granted, then it will get booted. I've done zero research to see if Arizona has ever thrown out an election and re-done it. So no idea if that is allowed.
I also do not see any way to prove that Lake won. Not on this shortened timeline and not without basically a complete audit. You can read between the lines. But we don't try cases like that.
If a new governor is supposed to be in place by January 2, that is an obstacle to having a new election as a remedy. Lake being named governor is the only viable remedy on this time line.
So put yourself in the judge's shoes with the presumption he is going to fairly adjudicate this case. What do you do with the Jan 2 deadline? How exactly he could push that back is a mystery. Who is AZ's governor in the interim? Since I know jack about AZ law or their state constitution, I don't know for sure if that date can be moved. It would surprise me that it could be moved at all by a judge.
The next thing is how do you decide to install Lake if you have no more than an inference from the evidence she likely won. But no actual hard evidence. The court won't be pulling the ballots out of the boxes and have them counted. I'm not sure the most MAGA of all ULTRA MAGA judges in the country could find their way around this dilemma. If being faithful to the law, how do you name someone the winner with no way to actually demonstrate it?
By this, what I mean is - what objective way will there be after the presentation of evidence that we know exactly which ballots were illegally cast and should be discarded so that we can then subtract those votes from the totals and then discover who the winner was? If Lake thinks that a court is going to derive its own formula from the total and pro-rata deduct it, I think that is a tall ask of any judge. The convoluted mess that is our election system in this country seems to limit itself to not being easily unwound. How do we find the ballot for an illegal mail vote and remove it? I've always been of the understanding that once an envelope and ballot are separated, it cannot be undone.
Likewise, how does a court figure out with reasonable precision how many people were disenfranchised at which locations and with reasonable certainty as to who they intended to vote for?
You could argue that this is an equitable remedy in that Hobbs was a candidate in this election, fucked around badly in this election, and should not be permitted to reap the fruits of this fuckery on her watch and at her direction by being declared the winner. But I am just unsure that is possible under Arizona law.
TLDR; I have no clue what this judge is gonna do and I don't envy his job at the moment.
The hearing - https://rumble.com/v20gfgk-breaking-emergency-hearing-in-maricopa-county-regarding-2022-election-12132.html
Starts at 39 min in
summary posted right afterwards
Thanks u/reacher 👈🏻
What do we know about this judge?
What I think I've learned in the last few years is that every single judge can be bought, blackmailed, or corrupted.
What I hope to learn next is that I am completely wrong about that.
I read somewhere that he was appointed to the bench by a previous Republican governor.
By Jan Brewer, who was SoS when Fife Symington had to resign and ended up going to jail. Brewer was elected after finishing Fife's term, about 3 years. She tried to argue that she should be able to run again (2 term limit) because she had only been elected once, but it was not allowed and we got Ducey.
Now the question is: Will justice be served, or dismissed?
When I listened to the judge today it didn't sound like he would dismiss. But what do I know?
Watch the water.