This sentiment drives me crazy. I have nor shortage of faith in God. And a few lambasted me for saying this the last time but I'm going to say it again:
God helps those who help themselves. God put us on earth to DO things; to fight for His principles of Good.
Our reaction can't be to trust in God, our reaction must be to trust in ourselves and keep fighting as God's instruments. The reaction to this miscarriage of justice MUST be to ask all of ourselves "what's one more thing we can do to make sure we get free and fair elections in this country and restore the Republic".
God helps those who help themselves is 100% NOT Biblical. In fact, Scripture is crystal clear on this issue, God helps those who put their complete faith in Him alone.
"God helps those who help themselves" is the "cultural Christian" reasoning for why they don't have true faith in Jesus.
Yes. God helps those who cannot help themselves. Would be nice if people stop quoting Poor Richard's as if it's actually from the Bible when it's not...
Also, God still wins even if the earth is destroyed. Even if we lose, God still wins when all is said and done. Not sure people quite understand the meaning of the phrase "God wins".
God destroyed the earth once with water. Next time will be with fire.
John 15:18 KJV
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
2 Peter 3:10 KJV
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
I'll pray for you brother/sister because you are obviously deluded to the Truth. Please, think about this, you are literally telling the community that you know better than God. It's insanity and blasphemous.
You're right, as a soldier of Christ, I would choose not to be in the "foxhole" with you because I need someone who obeys the Lord to be by my side. You follow your god, and I'll follow what my God has said. His unchanging Word is all I need in order to know how to fight against powers and principalities.
My prayers go much further than any bullet you could ever fire.
Just so you know, fren, that's not biblical at all. Nor is the idea behind it.
Throughout the entire Old Testament, good kings of Israel waited on the Lord and sought His will. Ones who rushed into things, like Saul, all failed and were corrupted.
I agree that I'm tired of this all. But even David had to wait to become king. David never lifted a sword against Israel, nor against Saul, nor against Saul's son, and yet God brought them both down and made David king.
The future of humanity rests on this movement being successful. I certainly believe that God will accomplish His will, regardless of us.
We are called to action. We are called to cause. But don't be discouraged, pede. At the end of the day, God's plan is revealed.
I would recommend reading Isaiah 59. It talks about how even though humanity has fallen away, and God does not seem to see nor hear them due to their sins, still He intervenes, and He does so by His hand.
I'm sure you can relate to the feeling of justice being driven from society:
14 So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter.
15 Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice.
But just know that God's will is being accomplished:
16 He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm achieved salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him.
17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.
18 According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due.
And be encouraged as He finishes with this:
21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the LORD. “My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants—from this time on and forever,” says the LORD.
The confusion stems from the confused Pauline notion of “faith” and what it means in relation to God (singular) the possessor of infinite attributes to the infinite degree who then must be both transcendent to this material creation yet also immanent within it without contradiction. Pauline doctrine stresses blind faith in the Divine even in the face of contradictory evidence whereas Christ himself and every Christ tradition before Christ stressed faith through experience of the Divine and the entire tradition was based on the Disciple pr acting very specifically and under guidance of a Pastor such that they could experience that faith for themselves and thus have no doubts. Otherwise we run into the awkward situation of both epistemology and theodicy in which the atheists accuse us of being anti rational and sentimental as there is no way we can claim one belief is higher than another without epistemology and then without solving the theodicy issue we cannot rationally have any claim to Justice.
These issues have all been dealt with but atheists, being servants of darkness, would like to pretend otherwise and keep pushing this weakened idea that Christ taught Pauline and not Paleo Christianity to philosophically rot his teachings from the inside out and rob Christ’s Divine followers of their perfect Philosophical heritage. True religion and study of such should not be thought of as “theological” but instead be perfectly rational and thus philosophical even though we understand that when it comes to love of God at some eventual point very high up in the process of attaining this Philosophy herself is lower than Love of God.
You mean like my husband and me signing up to be on our county GOP committee and that we both volunteered in the last election? You mean like waking people up as much as we can to the fraud? You mean like encouraging my single mom clients to go vote for the first time? At the end of the day, there is only so much human effort we may be able to do. I can't correct the fraud. I can only pray that God does in the end.
I'm sorry for the downvote but I had to.
This sentiment drives me crazy. I have nor shortage of faith in God. And a few lambasted me for saying this the last time but I'm going to say it again:
God helps those who help themselves. God put us on earth to DO things; to fight for His principles of Good.
Our reaction can't be to trust in God, our reaction must be to trust in ourselves and keep fighting as God's instruments. The reaction to this miscarriage of justice MUST be to ask all of ourselves "what's one more thing we can do to make sure we get free and fair elections in this country and restore the Republic".
God helps those who help themselves is 100% NOT Biblical. In fact, Scripture is crystal clear on this issue, God helps those who put their complete faith in Him alone.
"God helps those who help themselves" is the "cultural Christian" reasoning for why they don't have true faith in Jesus.
Yes. God helps those who cannot help themselves. Would be nice if people stop quoting Poor Richard's as if it's actually from the Bible when it's not...
Also, God still wins even if the earth is destroyed. Even if we lose, God still wins when all is said and done. Not sure people quite understand the meaning of the phrase "God wins".
God destroyed the earth once with water. Next time will be with fire.
John 15:18 KJV If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
2 Peter 3:10 KJV But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Then keep praying and doing nothing else. But you're no ally of mine. I want men at my side who are willing to fight, who are willing to do things.
If you think God is telling you to sit and do nothing but pray, you're not listening to Him hard enough.
I'll pray for you brother/sister because you are obviously deluded to the Truth. Please, think about this, you are literally telling the community that you know better than God. It's insanity and blasphemous.
You're right, as a soldier of Christ, I would choose not to be in the "foxhole" with you because I need someone who obeys the Lord to be by my side. You follow your god, and I'll follow what my God has said. His unchanging Word is all I need in order to know how to fight against powers and principalities.
My prayers go much further than any bullet you could ever fire.
May God's warriors have more of a spine than you, or we are truly lost.
This board is rife with God's academics would would rather rule over a classroom than actually do something.
Just so you know, fren, that's not biblical at all. Nor is the idea behind it.
Throughout the entire Old Testament, good kings of Israel waited on the Lord and sought His will. Ones who rushed into things, like Saul, all failed and were corrupted.
I agree that I'm tired of this all. But even David had to wait to become king. David never lifted a sword against Israel, nor against Saul, nor against Saul's son, and yet God brought them both down and made David king.
The future of humanity rests on this movement being successful. I certainly believe that God will accomplish His will, regardless of us.
We are called to action. We are called to cause. But don't be discouraged, pede. At the end of the day, God's plan is revealed.
I would recommend reading Isaiah 59. It talks about how even though humanity has fallen away, and God does not seem to see nor hear them due to their sins, still He intervenes, and He does so by His hand.
I'm sure you can relate to the feeling of justice being driven from society:
But just know that God's will is being accomplished:
And be encouraged as He finishes with this:
Then follow scripture and do nothing but pray. But you're no ally of mine. I want men who do things at my side.
The confusion stems from the confused Pauline notion of “faith” and what it means in relation to God (singular) the possessor of infinite attributes to the infinite degree who then must be both transcendent to this material creation yet also immanent within it without contradiction. Pauline doctrine stresses blind faith in the Divine even in the face of contradictory evidence whereas Christ himself and every Christ tradition before Christ stressed faith through experience of the Divine and the entire tradition was based on the Disciple pr acting very specifically and under guidance of a Pastor such that they could experience that faith for themselves and thus have no doubts. Otherwise we run into the awkward situation of both epistemology and theodicy in which the atheists accuse us of being anti rational and sentimental as there is no way we can claim one belief is higher than another without epistemology and then without solving the theodicy issue we cannot rationally have any claim to Justice.
These issues have all been dealt with but atheists, being servants of darkness, would like to pretend otherwise and keep pushing this weakened idea that Christ taught Pauline and not Paleo Christianity to philosophically rot his teachings from the inside out and rob Christ’s Divine followers of their perfect Philosophical heritage. True religion and study of such should not be thought of as “theological” but instead be perfectly rational and thus philosophical even though we understand that when it comes to love of God at some eventual point very high up in the process of attaining this Philosophy herself is lower than Love of God.
You mean like my husband and me signing up to be on our county GOP committee and that we both volunteered in the last election? You mean like waking people up as much as we can to the fraud? You mean like encouraging my single mom clients to go vote for the first time? At the end of the day, there is only so much human effort we may be able to do. I can't correct the fraud. I can only pray that God does in the end.
Then you of all people should know exactly what I'm talking about.