Great! The U.S. will send 31 tanks that are 1,500 HP, guzzle jet fuel, require massive maintenance and have a huge HEAT SIGNATURE that makes it a beacon for enemy fire... and we expect everything to go well?
Can 31 tanks which are incompatible with the other tanks make much of a difference?
All I see is risk for the Americans. If the Abrams tanks are defeated then the reputation of American weapons will be damaged and arms sales will be lost.
I think the days of the manned behemoth battle tank is in the past.
The future belongs to far less expensive, lighter, quicker drone tanks that can be remote controlled from hundreds of miles away. The drone tanks would be quieter, faster, could operate in coordinated groups and could be devastating for a combat enemy force.
If the U.S. Military isn't already developing an entire force of drone tanks... then they should be ashamed of themselves. Someone else will do it.
Biden is purposely weakening us for China to attack. No fuel reserves. Leaving equipment in the Middle East. Sending equipment and arms to Ukraine. Weakening the military through woke culture and vax mandates.
Russia Duma deputy Gawrilow said that any attack with ammunition containing depleted uranium will be seen as an attack with a dirty bomb. He refers the terrible consequences of that ammunition in Iraq and former Yugoslavia.
So a Battalion and a half. By Ukrainian metrics at least is being sent to Ukraine.
Both types are relatively modern. Fairly Maintenance intensive filled with a shitload of Electronics. Compared to Russian Tanks. And Russian derivatives in Ukraines arsenal.
Which up until relatively recently were fairly simplistic so they could be run by Conscripts who may have only had limited electronics experience.
I’d hazard a guess their Armored Units have seen heavy losses. Which means the odds of well trained experienced crews to put in those advanced tanks is unlikely. Which means the likely crew will be conscripts.
About the only gain I could foresee is crew survivability may go up if the tank is knocked out.
President Biden and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz cut a deal on Tuesday: Biden agreed to send Ukraine some Abrams M1 tanks; in response, Scholz agreed to send Ukraine some of its Leopard 2 tanks—and to let several European allies send Ukraine some of their Leopards, bought from Germany, as well.
Scholz had resisted sending Leopards, fearful of alienating constituents or provoking Russia into escalating the war further. He had demanded that the United States send some of its main battle tanks as a precondition.
Now the terms have been agreed upon: The U.S. will send 31 tanks, enough to fill a single Ukrainian tank battalion—a substantial but not enormous number—and those will arrive not in weeks, but in several months, and possibly not for another year. This is because the tanks will be ordered from the General Dynamics factory, which will have to build them from scratch, and will not be drawn from America’s existing stockpile, though the U.S. Army has about 4,400 Abrams tanks, many of them already in Europe.
At a background briefing Wednesday morning, a senior administration official said that the Abrams tanks’ main purpose will be “to boost Ukraine’s long-term defenses,” emphasizing the phrase “long-term,” and adding that they would enhance Ukraine’s security for the “months and years to come.” By contrast, the official said, the Leopards, provided by Germany and other European countries, would cover Ukraine’s “short-term” defense needs. Some of these tanks will arrive in Ukraine in as soon as a few weeks.
Scholz announced that Germany would send 14 Leopard tanks right away, as a first step. In all, Germany and other European countries—including Poland, Spain, Norway, Finland, and possibly others—will send about 80 tanks, enough for two battalions plus some. Britain has also agreed to send 14 of its Challenger tanks, which are similar to the Abrams and the Leopard. The U.S. and the Netherlands are together sending 90 refurbished Soviet-built T-72 tanks, similar to those that Ukraine—a former Soviet republic—has been using.
The 300 Western tanks will be used immediately to "mount an effective counteroffensive against Russian troops and thus regain Ukrainian territory that Russians have captured". :>) The U.S. Abrams tanks won't arrive in Ukraine for likely another YEAR, so roughly Spring 2024 (if Ukraine lasts that long)... and then aren't meant to be used on the front lines. See where this is going?
If the German, Polish, Spanish, British, etc... tanks get completely wiped out over the next year, the U.S. can always decide NOT to deliver the Abrams tanks later. Stuff happens.
Please tell me Stacy is one of them.
...fueled by fried chicken...
...lots and lots of fried chicken
I see what you did there.
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Great! The U.S. will send 31 tanks that are 1,500 HP, guzzle jet fuel, require massive maintenance and have a huge HEAT SIGNATURE that makes it a beacon for enemy fire... and we expect everything to go well?
...hows...
...only fools and the MIC boys cashing in....
Which generation of both ?
...M1A1....
Couldn’t they have drop-shipped them from Afghanistan much more cheaply?
...howls...
I see this as a sign of desperation.
Can 31 tanks which are incompatible with the other tanks make much of a difference?
All I see is risk for the Americans. If the Abrams tanks are defeated then the reputation of American weapons will be damaged and arms sales will be lost.
...these tanks are going to be replacements for the Greman Leopard 2s that are going to be immediately destroyed by Russians....
I think the days of the manned behemoth battle tank is in the past.
The future belongs to far less expensive, lighter, quicker drone tanks that can be remote controlled from hundreds of miles away. The drone tanks would be quieter, faster, could operate in coordinated groups and could be devastating for a combat enemy force.
If the U.S. Military isn't already developing an entire force of drone tanks... then they should be ashamed of themselves. Someone else will do it.
Very good point!
No need for heavy armour when there aren't soldiers to protect.
Biden is purposely weakening us for China to attack. No fuel reserves. Leaving equipment in the Middle East. Sending equipment and arms to Ukraine. Weakening the military through woke culture and vax mandates.
...filed under "Distinct Possibilities"....
Russia Duma deputy Gawrilow said that any attack with ammunition containing depleted uranium will be seen as an attack with a dirty bomb. He refers the terrible consequences of that ammunition in Iraq and former Yugoslavia.
Stocking the 4th Reich. Hide and watch. Ukraine will lead the creation of a fascists state. Complete with tanks, and lots of money.
...valid observation....
Russia like "Yay 31 more easy targets"
...exactly....
So a Battalion and a half. By Ukrainian metrics at least is being sent to Ukraine.
Both types are relatively modern. Fairly Maintenance intensive filled with a shitload of Electronics. Compared to Russian Tanks. And Russian derivatives in Ukraines arsenal.
Which up until relatively recently were fairly simplistic so they could be run by Conscripts who may have only had limited electronics experience.
I’d hazard a guess their Armored Units have seen heavy losses. Which means the odds of well trained experienced crews to put in those advanced tanks is unlikely. Which means the likely crew will be conscripts.
About the only gain I could foresee is crew survivability may go up if the tank is knocked out.
...valid observation....
https://youtu.be/VnbEsQIcvy4
Feels like the start of a Kim Clements prophecy to me. I forget the one about the dark times from that point to around 2028
...doggy winks....
Interesting article, but here is the logic (and timing) of sending the tanks.
Article - Slate.com
President Biden and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz cut a deal on Tuesday: Biden agreed to send Ukraine some Abrams M1 tanks; in response, Scholz agreed to send Ukraine some of its Leopard 2 tanks—and to let several European allies send Ukraine some of their Leopards, bought from Germany, as well.
Scholz had resisted sending Leopards, fearful of alienating constituents or provoking Russia into escalating the war further. He had demanded that the United States send some of its main battle tanks as a precondition.
Now the terms have been agreed upon: The U.S. will send 31 tanks, enough to fill a single Ukrainian tank battalion—a substantial but not enormous number—and those will arrive not in weeks, but in several months, and possibly not for another year. This is because the tanks will be ordered from the General Dynamics factory, which will have to build them from scratch, and will not be drawn from America’s existing stockpile, though the U.S. Army has about 4,400 Abrams tanks, many of them already in Europe.
At a background briefing Wednesday morning, a senior administration official said that the Abrams tanks’ main purpose will be “to boost Ukraine’s long-term defenses,” emphasizing the phrase “long-term,” and adding that they would enhance Ukraine’s security for the “months and years to come.” By contrast, the official said, the Leopards, provided by Germany and other European countries, would cover Ukraine’s “short-term” defense needs. Some of these tanks will arrive in Ukraine in as soon as a few weeks.
Scholz announced that Germany would send 14 Leopard tanks right away, as a first step. In all, Germany and other European countries—including Poland, Spain, Norway, Finland, and possibly others—will send about 80 tanks, enough for two battalions plus some. Britain has also agreed to send 14 of its Challenger tanks, which are similar to the Abrams and the Leopard. The U.S. and the Netherlands are together sending 90 refurbished Soviet-built T-72 tanks, similar to those that Ukraine—a former Soviet republic—has been using.
The 300 Western tanks will be used immediately to "mount an effective counteroffensive against Russian troops and thus regain Ukrainian territory that Russians have captured". :>) The U.S. Abrams tanks won't arrive in Ukraine for likely another YEAR, so roughly Spring 2024 (if Ukraine lasts that long)... and then aren't meant to be used on the front lines. See where this is going? If the German, Polish, Spanish, British, etc... tanks get completely wiped out over the next year, the U.S. can always decide NOT to deliver the Abrams tanks later. Stuff happens.
...indeed....