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I've never seen this on the ""National"" Debt Clock.... I wonder what it means, or signifies.... (media.greatawakening.win) 🔍 Notable
posted 3 years ago by HOSEQ 3 years ago by HOSEQ +169 / -0
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– JonathanE 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

All this means is that the m2 money supply is reducing.

See the asterisk (click on the box).

If year on year increase of m2 is <0, then that divided by anything will be zero.

Check the post from yesterday/Sat on the same subject.

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– Island_Photo 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Everyone here may not know what M2 is.... I myself have not used it in a while amd will have to look it up..

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– SoMuchWinning45 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I know it as meters squared and an M.2 drive for a computer, but that's it.

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– JonathanE 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Think of it as the slush money - i.e. how much actual money is sloshing around in the system.

If lending slows and they stop printing new money (for example) then that alone could cause this figure to drop below that of last year.

It doesn't mean it's going in reverse, it just means more cash is locked up in things vs. how much is being printed.

I think that's right, I await someone with more knowledge to chime in - although I think the ChatGPT responses in this thread are very helpful.

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– BUTERBALZ 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

When someone asks me how many cheeseburgers I want I say 'mmmmtwo'.

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– Island_Photo 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I know it has something to do with the banking model.. I.e, Fed Reserve money into regional Clearing banks, then into other banks (consumer banks which have to maintain x reserves on loans of y*x...

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– TheNewsCommenter 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Or M2 = exactly last year which is not likely so it might indicate that we didn’t get a report and they just used the same number which would line up with a prior story I remember hearing that the number is no longer being reported. Which could indicate that the reporting institution (FED?) no longer exists. They did take the metal plate of the bank in my District. STL which just so happens to do much of the economic data reporting. Mini “Boom”?

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– JonathanE 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If you look at the debt clock, there is a counter for m2 money supply, and it's going down.

Also, if you look online for 'm2 supply chart' it will show you that it's less than last year.

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– Qanaut 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

That is a curious happening. According to those readings, the amount of US Dollars required to purchase a barrel of oil, an ounce of silver, or an ounce of gold is $0.00. This would indicate an economic state wherein either oil, silver, and gold have lost their value, or the dollar has gained exponential value in relation to oil, silver, and gold. This is actually inverse to what these numbers should read. It should be that $0.00 worth of oil, silver, or gold could purchase a Federal Note.

This likely is a bug in their system, though I am curious where they pull their data from, and if that data is actually provided in real time, or an estimation based on a computer algorithm or program of some sort. There certainly could be more to this than meets the eye.

I'm no economist, but these numbers would seem to indicate a state of hyper deflation of the US Dollar wherein its purchasing power has temporarily increased to infinity. In this hypothetical scenario, the computer readings may be a result of an error in the parameters set by the Debt Clock program.

I've heard economic theory regarding the preceding signs of a collapse of the U.S. Dollar. One of the prominent theories is that just prior to the complete collapse of the Federal Note we will see rapid hyper inflation for a short direction; a short squeeze of the dollar, followed by a complete loss of its value. This is rather like what happened in the film Margin Call based upon the 2008 financial crisis wherein the hedge funds offloaded their garbage assets onto the market. I can definitely see the Cabal creating the economic conditions necessary to offload their worthless U.S. Debt Notes prior to a shift to their "Great Reset" Central Bank Digital Currency.

For those who wish to verify for themselves:

https://www.usdebtclock.org/#

A quick inquiry from Chat GPT produced the following analysis:

"USDebtClock.org is a website that provides real-time information about the US government's financial status, including the national debt, federal revenue, and spending. The website sources its data from official government sources, such as the Treasury Department, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the Bureau of Economic Analysis, among others. This information is used to calculate and display various metrics related to the US economy, including the federal debt per citizen, federal spending per household, and the long-term financial outlook for the country. The website updates its data regularly to ensure that the information displayed is up-to-date and accurate."

"USDebtClock.org sources its data from a variety of official government agencies, including:"

Treasury Department: https://www.treasury.gov/

Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.bls.gov/

Bureau of Economic Analysis: https://www.bea.gov/

Social Security Administration: https://www.ssa.gov/

Congressional Budget Office: https://www.cbo.gov/

Federal Reserve System: https://www.federalreserve.gov/

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– JonathanE 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

It doesn't mean what you think it means.

It's a ratio of year on year m2 supply vs. gold mined etc.

If m2 supply is lower than last year then this is effectively zero.

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– bubble_bursts 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

u/simon_says is probably the best inhouse expert who can tell us what is the significance of shrinking M2 supply.

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– Qanaut 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Hmm . . .

Like I said, I'm no economist.

Another query from Chat GPT gave me the following:

The US Dollar to Oil ratio refers to the relationship between the value of the US dollar and the price of crude oil. A high ratio means that the US dollar is strong compared to oil, and a low ratio means that oil is relatively more expensive. The ratio can be read as zero if the value of the US dollar becomes so low that it is equal to the price of a barrel of crude oil. This is highly unlikely and would likely be indicative of a major economic crisis.

Based upon this information, this is still not a non-happening. Unless this interpretation and conclusion is wrong.

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– JonathanE 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

That's interesting, thanks.

I don't really understand the significance of the m2 supply lowering, I just thought it represent Quantative Tightening, rather than Quantative Easing.

i.e. they are printing less money this year than last, but not by a massive amount from the charts I looked at.

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– Qanaut 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Well . . . Chat GPT could be totally off on all of this.

I asked it a follow up question about your statement:

Is the following true?

"If year on year increase of m2 is <0, then that divided by anything will be zero."

The output was:

"No, the statement is false. If the year-on-year increase of M2 (a measure of the money supply) is negative, then dividing it by anything will not necessarily be zero. It would depend on the value being divided by. For example, if the year-on-year increase of M2 is -5 and it is divided by 2, the result would be -2.5, not zero."

This didn't really give me a relevant answer, so I asked the following:

What would cause the value to be zero?

The output was:

The value being zero could occur if the year-on-year increase of M2 is zero. For example, if the increase in the money supply from one year to the next is exactly zero, then dividing that value by any number (including itself) would result in zero. In this case, the year-on-year increase of M2 would not be negative, but rather remain unchanged from one year to the next.

This seems to align with your explanation of the happening.

I inquired further though:

Could this indicate an economic crisis?

The last reply was:

No, a year-on-year increase of M2 of zero does not necessarily indicate an economic crisis. A flat growth rate in the money supply can have several causes, including changes in monetary policy or shifts in demand for money. However, in some cases, a persistent decline in the rate of growth of the money supply can be a sign of an economic slowdown or a decrease in economic activity. In this context, it could potentially be a warning sign of an impending crisis, but it is not a reliable indicator by itself. Other economic indicators, such as employment, inflation, and gross domestic product, would also need to be considered.

So I'm getting conflicting explanations from the GPT, unless I am not understanding the right terminology to specify to GPT, and therefor receiving inadequate or inaccurate feedback.

I think you might be right in your assessment after all, but it would still be worth keeping an eye on this situation. It also could be the case that GPT has algorithms in place to deliberately obfuscate certain subject matter, thereby producing inconclusive search results.

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– JonathanE 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I did say 'effectively' zero :)

I'm pretty sure the coders of the debt clock have just put something in there that says 'if {value} < 0 then {value} = 0'

Perhaps ask it what the m2 supply being less this year than last year means?

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– Qanaut 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The reply came back:

If the M2 money supply is lower this year than last year, it means that the total amount of money in circulation has decreased over the past year. M2 is a measure of the money supply that includes cash, checking deposits, and near money (short-term deposits that are highly liquid and can be quickly converted to cash). A decrease in the M2 money supply could indicate several things, including a decrease in the demand for money, changes in monetary policy by the central bank, or a contraction in the economy. However, it is important to consider other economic indicators and factors in order to fully understand the implications of a decrease in the M2 money supply.

I also asked for other possible explanations for this phenomenon.

There could be several other explanations for the M2 money supply being lower this year than last year, including:

  1. Increased saving: If households and businesses are saving more and spending less, the demand for money will decrease, causing the M2 money supply to decline.
  1. Decreased lending: If banks are lending less, there will be less money in circulation, causing the M2 money supply to decline.
  1. Shifts in foreign exchange: If there is a significant shift in foreign exchange rates, it could affect the M2 money supply by altering the demand for a currency.
  1. Changes in monetary policy: Central banks can influence the M2 money supply through various monetary policy tools, such as open market operations or reserve requirements.
  1. Repaying debt: If households and businesses are paying off debt, they may be reducing the amount of money they have in checking deposits or near money, causing the M2 money supply to decline.

It is important to consider all relevant economic indicators and factors in order to fully understand the implications of a decrease in the M2 money supply.

The last follow up question I asked for specificity was regarding if the M2 money supply being less this year than last year could indicate an economic crisis, recession, or depression event.

The final reply came back:

A decrease in the M2 money supply can be a warning sign of an economic slowdown or a potential crisis, but it is not a reliable indicator by itself. A decrease in the M2 money supply could indicate several things, including decreased lending, increased saving, shifts in foreign exchange, changes in monetary policy, or a contraction in the economy. However, the presence of other indicators and factors, such as a decrease in employment, a decline in gross domestic product, or a sustained period of low inflation, would be necessary to confirm that an economic crisis, recession, or depression event is taking place. In other words, a decrease in the M2 money supply should be considered in the context of other economic indicators and factors in order to fully understand its implications.

It seems like this is a rather complicated issue, with a variety of variables to consider. We need an economist anon to chime in with their own explanation.

Still, this has been an educating dig if nothing else!

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0
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– RussianBotReadsYou 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Why are you asking chatgpt for an interpretation instead of reading and understanding the charts yourself?

M2 is declining, i.e. Tight monetary policy, decrease in dollars available. When M2 is negative, the ratio of "newly printed money this year" to "silver ounces mined this year" is going to look like this:

(Amount of dollars printed this year)/(Silver ounces mined this year)

Let's say, for simplicity's sake. Zero money is printed and one ounce of silver is mined.

What is 0/1?

Result is 0.

That's all it means. Literally. Now, what are the implications of monetary tightening? That's tbe more interesting question.

Stop using apps and bs "AI", or you'll risk more than relying on google and GPS.

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– deleted 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0
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– SoMuchWinning45 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I can't wait for them to add GME. Because hedgies r fuk.

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– ITOLDYOUSO 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The gold and silver numbers have been dropping since about the last year and a half. I looked at this recently and the numbers we very low and now $0.00!

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– HOSEQ [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I'm wondering if they'll invert, like go negative....

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– DextertheCat 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

A while ago when the US Debt clock was first posted here, I went to the website and it registered $470 per ounce of silver. Since we know that the money supply has increased by nearly 16 trillion dollars in the last two years, it seemed to make sense. We started Bidens term with only $4 trillion in the supply, now we have $20 trillion. This effectively reduced every dollar value by a factor of 5. Since we also know that for each physical dollar, they create 9 additional digital dollars, we have gone from $36 trillion total supply to $180 trillion. Each dollar in your pocket is worth less than 0.20. Inflation hasn't caught up yet, but it will soon. Compounding this issue with the separation of oil from the dollar will exacerbate the spiral of value.

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– HOSEQ [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Well, taking into consideration that the Doolards value between 1913 and 2013, dropped to a measly .05c, and now this, I think we are in for some seriously rough times....

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– DextertheCat 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It certainly seems unavoidable, unless there is some magic finance voodoo that I am unaware of. I'm not certain what can be done to help ourselves avoid the pain of the dollar donkey punch that seems to be coming. Some say buying precious metals, crypto currency, hard value material for barter and sustainment. I covered all my bases, but who knows how bad things have to get for everyone to pull their heads out of their asses before they notice what is going on. I think the thing I am most concerned about is fuel. Without gas and diesel, it limits mobility and production. An unavailability of these essentials is probably the worst case scenario. Reminds of Mad Max. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.

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– HOSEQ [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Collect Gold and Silver, for bigger challenges in Buying and selling and Barter....

But, Collect regular Coinage for the beginning of the fall, it'll hold Value when Paper will lose it, due to the Fact that the Coinage is Officially Minted, unlike the Paper, Minted Coins are Our Valid Monies, and with no other choice, we should make room for Our Coinage....

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– AliveIn3 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

That someone updated the program and now some bad math is shown

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– blackchop80 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Yeah, it looks like it's not working, there's that red star too. If dollar to gold was $28.51 per ounce in 1913, it should be $1926 per ounce now. That shows the decline of purchasing power of these fed reserve notes.

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– Latin_Patriot_MAGA 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They are current net values, today the value of oil is equal to the value of the dollar, in 1913 the dollar was worth 2.19 more than oil, now its value is the same.

In a nutshell, the dollar has lost value and has not been able to recover it.

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– HOSEQ [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That always happens with Borrowed currencies....

We are supposed to have our Money, it is called the Eagle, it can even be made the same as the current Federal Reserve Debt Notes, but at least it would be ours, and not owned by Foreigners....

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– Island_Photo 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Tag..

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– JonathanE 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If you want to see something interesting, look at the world debt clock and check out the GDP/Debt ratio for Russia.

Now tell me their economy isn't going to totally dominate soon.

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– HOSEQ [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

By the looks of it, the whole world is getting screwed, hard....

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– JonathanE 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The biggest heist in human history.

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– MZakOne 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The Dollar is now asset backed. it has not been disclosed to the normies yet. Great Find. Get ready for the Rainbow Dollar. GREAT FIND

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– HOSEQ [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Why do I look at this and feel some sort of dread o anxiousness???

It's quite disconcerting....

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– N634 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

CBDC?

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– Huckleberry1776 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Mmmm looks like a dollar crash that’s why they’re worth zero compared to commodities of real value. That’s pretty terrifying. Hope it’s another “glitch” but I’m thinking it’s more like foreshadowing.

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– VonErich 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

THE MUSIC IS ABOUT TO STOP

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