The Simon Lectures. Series II, Part 2.
Originally published on greatawakening.win, 2023 February 10.
Series II, Part 1 can be found here: https://greatawakening.win/p/16a9lhEbrc/the-simon-lectures--series-ii-pa/
Series II, Part 2.
Permit me to highlight the salient points of Part 1. I don’t care for repetition but this is a mental journey we’re on together and context is important. The major points of Part 1 are crucial for this Part 2.
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We began by posing a question: Is 0.999… = 1?
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We determined that the original question could be reframed: Does 0.000…1 = 0?
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If 0.000…1 = 0, then 0.999… = 1; otherwise, if 0.000…1 is non-zero, then 0.999… does not.
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We traversed a first line of reasoning that showed that 0.000…1 must not be zero. Which means it is non-zero.
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We traversed a second line of reasoning that showed that 0.000…1 must not be non-zero. Which means it is zero.
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We concluded that the operation of reason had led us to a contradiction.
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Then I said something somewhat cryptic: “The outcome of any line of reasoning depends on assumptions. Assume the same things, and you will get the same outcome. But if you have a choice of independent assumptions – assumptions that are more than just different ways of expressing the same thing – then there is no guarantee that reason carries you to the same conclusion. This means that in order to use reason as a tool, you must first decide what to assume. And to decide what to assume, you must answer a question: what do I believe is true?”
That cryptic conclusion? That was my attempt at a philosophical cliff-hanger. I know. I shouldn’t quit my day job to pen Hollywood scripts. Don’t worry. I can’t imagine Hollywood will come knocking.
If my cliff-hanger worked at all, it should have caused you to wonder: “What assumptions? I don’t see any assumptions here. Just reason. And reason failed me.”
Fair enough. Let’s dig those assumptions out.
When we think of a quantity such as one or two or one-half or one-tenth or so on, we should consider that it is constituted of two parts: (1) a numeric representation or “number” – i.e., “1” or “2” or “1/2” or “0.5” or “1/10” or “0.1”; and (2) a related meaning or “amount.”
“1” is a numeric representation relating to the idea of unity or oneness and the amount that such idea represents. “2” is a numeric representation relating to the idea of duality or twoness and the amount that such idea represents. And so on.
Number <--> Amount
The first thing to notice is that every number corresponds to an amount. If you can conceive of a number and express it as a number, then it has a corresponding amount. Three? You can have three apples. One-tenth? You can have one-tenth of an apple. And so on. Every number refers to an amount.
But is it the case that every amount corresponds to a number? Can you have an amount that is inexpressible as a number, for one reason or another? This is the critical question.
Could it be the case that an amount can be so small that it slips right out of the realm of the numerical and descends into the realm of the ineffable – and is therefore inexpressible as a number? Could it be the case that an amount could be so small that it could be simultaneously different than zero – truly distinct from zero – while operating within the arithmetic realm in a manner no different at all than zero? A non-zero amount that functions arithmetically identically to zero. That’s what we’re considering here.
Let’s call this fantastically small quantity “µ.”
5 + µ = ___? We are saying that 5 + µ = 5.
3 - µ = ___? We are saying that 3 - µ = 3.
And so on.
µ is not 0. It refers to a non-zero amount. But when treated as a number inside of a system of reason designed to operate upon numbers – arithmetic – it behaves no differently. That’s the idea.
Let’s consider the ramifications of assuming that µ exists.
Turn your attention our first line of reasoning that demonstrated that 0.000…1 must not be zero. Would that not leave open the possibility that 0.000…1 = µ? After all, µ is not zero.
Now turn your attention to our second line of reasoning that demonstrated that 0.000…1 must not be non-zero. Armed with the understanding that µ exists, we now see that the second line of reasoning actually demonstrated that 0.000…1 must not be a non-zero quantity expressible as a number. And does this not leave open the possibility that 0.000…1 is equal to µ? For µ is not expressible as a number.
If we were to assume µ existed, we would eliminate logical contradiction. Both lines of reason would lead us to conclude that 0.999… does not equal 1.
Without belaboring matters, if we were to start with the opposite assumption – i.e., that µ did not exist – we also could resolve the contradiction. Albeit in the opposite direction. We would end up concluding that 0.999… = 1.
(I note that to resolve the contradiction, we would have to make a further clarifying assumption about the nature of infinity. (1) assume that µ does not exist, and (2) make a further clarifying assumption about infinity, and – voila! –both lines of reason takes you to the conclusion that 0.999… = 1. For the sake of brevity, I will not get into the further clarifying assumption, in this Part 2. I could be talked into it, though, in a separate post, if anyone is interested.)
So, in order to pursue the first and second lines of reasoning to a consistent outcome, we must either: (1) assume that µ exists; or (2) assume it does not exist, and augment such assumption with an additional clarifying assumption. In Part 1, we did neither of these things. So our lines of reasoning resulted in contradiction.
The outcomes of our lines of reasoning actually turn on what we assume. Moreover, it matters not whether our assumptions are explicit. In Part 1, we “assumed” that µ did not exist by virtue of neglect: we simply hadn’t considered the matter, meaning that – in practical effect – we assumed it didn’t exist. And we failed to augment that “assumption” with the aforementioned additional clarifying assumption – again, out of neglect – meaning that we were doomed to follow our lines of reasoning to contradiction.
Ok. So outcomes of reason are determined by assumptions. And in the case of 0.999… and 1, we must decide whether we believe µ exists (set aside the “other” assumption for now).
But how do we decide whether µ exists?
Suppose I were to scoff at the notion of µ. Suppose I were to say: “Let me get this straight. Whereas every other quantity can be expressed as a number, you propose that perhaps there exists one oddball quantity – this “µ” as you call it – that eludes such expression? It’s not zero, you say. It just functions identically to zero. In every way. Is it not the case that the reason you cannot express µ as a number is because you are too stubborn to call it by its proper name: zero? And is it not the case that µ functions identically to zero within the realm of arithmetic because µ’s true identity is zero? You have taken zero and renamed it µ! There’s no other way to see it!”
And suppose you were to reply: “Tell me, when you contemplate the present – that span of time interposed between the past and the future - how much time is that? When you refer to ‘now,’ how much time are you referring to? One second? One half of a second? One-millionth? No. Even in the span of one microsecond, some portion of that will either reside in the past or in the future. But how much time resides in the ‘now?’ I challenge you: present me with a number to express such quantity of time. It cannot be done. And does this therefore mean that ‘now’ refers to nothing at all? Is that even remotely sensible? Of course not! You live in the now! In fact, it is the only time in which you live. So you know it exists. With absolute certainty, you know it exists. And I’ll tell you how much time ‘now’ is constituted of: µ! A non-zero quantity of time smaller than any expressible number. µ is what permits ‘now’ to exist. It’s what your life is constituted of! An infinite succession of µ-after-µ-after-µ-after-µ.”
Well, shit. It doesn’t look like you and I will get to the bottom of it yet. But that’s not the important part. The important part is to see the nature of what where our conversation has gone.
We began with reason. And we came to contradiction.
Then we realized that contradiction was the consequence of assumptions we had failed to explicitly make. To eliminate contradiction, we either need to decide that µ exists or that it does not exist.
And then – in our hypothetical conversation – we tested the idea of µ against itself. We examined the idea that is the subject of the assumption under consideration. We examined it against itself. Which is to say that we examined it to see whether it was self-consistent in its nature. To see whether any contradiction lurked inside of the very essence of the idea. When we test an idea against itself, we are examining the coherence of an idea. We are asking: is this idea coherent? And, in some circumstances, examining the coherence of an idea is sufficient to bring about agreement concerning whether we ought to make one particular assumption or another. Regrettably, this is not such a circumstance. We’re still stuck.
Reason --> Contradiction --> Unearth Assumptions --> Test Coherence of Assumptions.
That’s the meta-structure of our journey so far. And it typifies many journeys. So it’s important to recognize its structure.
We’re not done with this journey yet. Part 3 is coming, and all of this continues. I know that in writing this Series II, I am asking much of you, my readers. Hang in there. One more Part. Then I’ll have laid sufficient groundwork to move on to Series III, and you’re going to love that. But we need to get through Part 3 of this Series II, first.
Stick around for Part 3.
Or don’t. It’s your decision.
Ever yours, simon_says
Sounds like a soundtrack to a 1000-mile cattle drive...
Thanks, u/simon_says. Looking forward to Part 3.
Thank you, kind sir.
I know this Series is abstract and difficult. It serves a purpose. Soon.
As always, I'm humbled that anyone reads this. Thank you.
No comment on the pun? :)
You know your Greek. And your cattle. You are a man of great breadth! And wit!
:-)
Your 'wit' wins. This time....
In all seriousness, I am concerned that this Series is too abstract and doesn't contain an immediate "payoff." It's not easy to write, and it can't be easy to read. Thanks for hanging in there. One more Part before it starts to come to its first "point" - in Series III - that most here will appreciate.
Personally, I'm in the for the long haul. (If you recall, I had this comment on your last post.)
On a side note, I'd be interested if you had any opinion on another currently-stickied post (mine).
Maybe preview the payoff of a little bit more to keep people engaged? I have to do that with long technical presentations to non-technical types otherwise they completely tune out after 2 slides...hehe. For presentations I put a tag line or question at the bottom of the slide to remind the audience where it is going.
By chance, did you read "A Departure and a Preface?"
https://greatawakening.win/p/15K6cDeVUY/the-simon-lectures--a-departure-/
This gives some hints. Only hints, though. :-)
wtf is this?
Logic training. This is what engineers do all day when analyzing data and trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
This process is applied somewhat subconsciously when one is trying to figure out where puzzle pieces fit to reveal what the whole picture is and what it means.
This is how anons are reassembling the breadcrumbs of the picture that has been broken into a million pieces and spread all over the world in different places by the intelligence agencies.
Logic and reasoning. How one decides what to believe and how to reinforce or test it. How one thing can have multiple meanings depending on who and how they apply their own logic to it. I am a black and white kind of guy so I will always see .000….1 as non-zero and .9999…9 as not 1. I do understand what Simon is explaining though. I admit though that the degree to which I retain my line in the sand so to speak is directly proportional to the importance of the subject. If measuring sugar or salt for a recipe I will be as exact as possible but if I am measuring peppers or cheese I am less concerned as more could never hurt.
Either way choosing one’s own reality only goes so far. You could argue it is popular opinion that keeps check on reality but the mass psychosis model of 20-40-40 shows how suggestive reality can seem. Only while anchored can one determine reality or truth if you will. A biblical world view is my anchor and as much as I can argue views filtered through God’s word are truth and should be accepted as such, free will, will not allow agreement on that. Unless one can step outside of themself to accept a higher power they will be influenced by others or even their own ego. Even if we get everyone to ditch their ego there will be disagreement on a common anchor point. It can seem hopeless but the Bible is the preconditioning for the manifestation of truth. It simply is infallible wisdom beyond ourselves. However, God created us to have a relationship with us. He is not interested in programmed robots that have no choice but to follow Him. He is the ultimate creator and we are created in His image. Does not free will ultimately lend itself to creativity? It is the spiritual mechanism for diversity. Just as DNA is the mechanism of physical diversity. It is how we can all be different but still all follow one truth. We are but different reflections (refractions?) from the same prism.
In suddenly feel like I’m rambling. Time to cut this short. Not sure if I’m speaking to where this is all going but alternate realities are like alternate fantasies of you ask me. There is only one truth and not everyone makes decisions that lead to being able to acknowledge it and or see it.
In John chapter 21 there’s an instruction to cast the net on the other side of the boat. They caught 153 fish, but though there were so many the net was not broken.
Once in Bible study I asked Fr what was the significance of this number 153. I said it’s in there so it must be important. And what was the meaning of this parable? Everyone rolled their eyes, even Fr, and we moved on, but I was intrigued so I dug into it. What I found was of zero interest, (we’ll maybe .00000…1) to my study group, but I was satisfied.
It turns out Jesus is instructing the disciples to begin converting the Greek speaking Gentiles. 153 was a part of Archimedes “Measurement of a Circle” especially regarding the “vescia piscis” which would have been fairly common knowledge among the Hellenistic literate people of that time. This is an acknowledgment that the Greeks had “natural wisdom” but that was encompassed in the net of Christian faith without damaging the net. Paul eventually went to Athens with great success.
It’s also the sum of the first 17 integers and the 17th triangular number. For all you 17 fans out there in Kekistan.
This is rather spectacular. May I ask: did you attend Catholic school?
No. I was a self styled neo-Platonist until almost 60, and then…. Meatball! I converted to Orthodox Christianity “ suddenly and irrevocably. Blame Plotinus’ refutation of the Gnostics if you must, but it was more. Much more. (No, I’m not living a Seinfeld episode.) ; )
I had some experiences I couldn’t ignore. I attended a year of catechism and loved it. Had some other personal experiences, and can’t not believe. I found out the God I didn’t believe in the Orthodox also don’t. They’re not all based, but the based ones are uncompromising. So many Romanian, Cypriot, Syrian, Bishops, Priests, Archimandrites etc pushed against the Covid regime on YouTube. They put together and published for general use a valid religious objection form at the start of the vaccine regime. Torba (Gab) promulgated it nicely. Uncompromising. My brothers.
Kyrie Eleison
"I found out the God I didn't believe in the Orthodox also don't." <-- I'd love to hear more about that. If you're comfortable elaborating?
Do you know any atheists? Maybe you are one, idk. I was alienated and very hostile. All the so called Christians I’d ever known were (in my opinion) phonies. I delighted in rhetorical exchanges with them. I knew nothing of the Orthodox. I thought there was only the utterly corrupt Roman Catholic Church, and thousands of other denominations all claiming to be better than all the others but none of them acted as if they actually believed anything except everybody else was wrong. I thought religion was a psychological crutch for those too weak or stupid to figure it out for themselves.
I thought I had figured it out, by learning about all the religions of the world and distilling truth from the best of what they had to say. I considered myself a philosopher, that means literally a lover of wisdom.
I was wrong. About (almost) everything.
I still assumed Protestants were all phonies, so when I got the Meatball! I thought I’d have to become a a Catholic. Alec Guinness had converted, so had GK Chesterton, so why not me? I inquired. They didn’t want me as I was. (divorced, and remarried) They told me I’d have to be celibate in my marriage for a year, get my wife to convert, and be married in the church or I’d be “living in sin” and couldn’t be in the church.
“Out of the blue” a thought entered my mind. What do the Greek Orthodox think of divorce? So I looked it up online. It wasn’t disqualifying. Unfortunate, maybe but not a bar to entry.
In discussion with a friend I mentioned my dilemma. They introduced me to an obvious (to me) phony (subsequently confirmed) who invited me to worship service in their home with grape juice and graham crackers. I didn’t want to insult them so I said I had planned to visit the local Orthodox Cathedral the next Sunday.
I’d said I was going, so I went. At 8:00. It was shocking. It was almost empty!
Orthros (Matins) was underway. It made me cry. I listened to the canter singing Psalms and the words hit me like arrows. Near 10:00 it began to fill up and I got uncomfortable so I took the little booklet in the pew home with me to study it.
When I got home and showed the book to my wife she noticed a gold embossed instruction on the back: “Do Not Remove From Pew”. She said “If there’s a knock on the door you’re answering it.”
I felt bad. I called them Monday morning to arrange to return it. “Oh, that was you. Hold please.” Then a booming voice said “So you’re the one. Be in my office at 7.”
So I went, with the book, and was directed to Fr Alan in a large room with tables and chairs. Soon the room filled up and catechism class began. I kept going back and even went on Thursdays too. I was invited to participate in a 24 hour prayer vigil. I was assigned 3:00 am to 4:00 am in the chapel. I was alone there but had a mystical experience of interacting with someone who “wasn’t there”. Unforgettable. I’d never been a good meditator. Couldn’t sit still repeating a mantra for more than 5 minutes. Somehow it was effortless to sustain the Jesus Prayer for an entire hour. (Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner) Miracles happened. They continue.
The Orthodox don’t believe in “original sin”. Nor do they accept the doctrine of “Penal Substitutionary Atonement.” They don’t see God as angry with humans and seeking to punish us. They don’t handle rattlesnakes or flop around on the floor babbling in “tongues”. They don’t (at least shouldn’t) even think they’re better’n everybody else.
I’ve learned more in the last 10 years than the previous 60. I’ve studied the patristics and continue with constant prayer. It’s been good. I’ve been confronted with situations I’d never have survived without faith.
As an atheist all this was unimaginable. The God I despised doesn’t exist. The loving Father who only wants me safe in the fold has replaced Him. I work for Him now. My life’s not about me anymore.
Kyrie Eleison
Tremendous.
I will be back at you with a cogent response, but wanted to just blast a word at your for now. Please know that I am particularly curious about the Atonement. I wouldn't mind picking your brain on the topic, if you don't mind, either.
Thank you for such a responsive, understandable, personal reply. You're really one of a kind.
Pretentious gibberish, as far as I can tell... stickied, for some unknown reason.
It's definitely not for everyone!
u/simon_says writing style might sound "pretentious" at first, but he is trying to walk his readers through complex processes, step-by-step without skipping details or assuming you know hidden information, and teaching us in a way we will remember.
It is very academic, but very thorough, imo. Hard to find any logic holes in any of his writings, and he specifically avoids any "logic leaps" that one might not follow.
Thank you, Meme.
This is not easy to write. And it's that much harder, when confronted with the possibility that absolutely no one will find it to their liking. Thanks for sticking it out with me. And you're totally correct in my goal here: I'm trying to lead people to observe the nature of their thought process, and later to characterize it a bit.
You're a smart man. Thanks for reading.
I appreciate it, I think I'm gettin' it, but I won't know for sure until the end of the series. I'm saving them so I can go back and re-read :)
Still with you Simon. Thanks for the installment. Looking forward to the next.
User name definitely checks out in your case.
Thanks for hanging in with me. I'm grateful and humbled.
One more Part like this and then...
(I know this is exhausting.)
Sounds like some Sith shit.
Foundations are built without recognition. We lay groundwork. And then: bam! It's upon us.
:-)
Can you put this in like an audio file or something bro
And, I hasten to add, thank you for reading. This material is neither fun nor immediately rewarding. You're a soldier!
I could do that... do you prefer a podcast format?
Thank you for reading. I know it's taxing!
Why does this always automatically get stickied?
Does this have anything to do with Aleph 1?
Ah! It does. ...But I'm not going to go that far. I've got to finish one more Part here, and then I'll transition over to Series III. And, God willing, people will see the connection between the topics of Series II (as far as it has been developed) and Series III. And, again God willing, they will enjoy Series III and come to appreciate Series II as "the price they had to pay" to get to Series III. We'll see.
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That my Fren, SUMs it all up!!
Another one comes armed with puns! :-)
And, yes, that's one of the points I'm reaching and illustrating here. Although we won't get all the way there in the next Part. But we'll get far enough for me to move on to Series III. And that'll make people happy, I suspect.
Thanks for reading - I know the topic seems dissociated from anything relevant. But I promise it's not.