The concept is actually pretty good. Getting out and walking, and knowing your neighbors in this neighborhood, etc.--those are good things.
The problem is the restrictions and curtailing of freedoms.
Why can't they just design a great city as they're discussing, and let people be free to choose how they live within it, or how they traverse boundaries, etc.? Why the control? Well, we know why...
So, the scary thing actually happening here is that they are packaging something sinister inside a pretty attractive concept.
,.its all about control,.give them an inch theyll take a mile,,in britain if you drive in to another neighbourhood you face a170 pound fine about $340.plus it will be easier to lock you down in a fake pandemic,.
I based it on our currency which is 2 $NZ to the pound,.,but remember they are all taxes,so it will go up pretty quick,.I posted a link to a video on twitter but it didnt happen
can you name one place where your vision has worked? I can name areas where it has not: anywhere rural where people get to do whatever they want. If we don't have some level of zoning and code, we devolve. Period.
99 percent of people are not capable of absolute freedom... simply because they have no consideration for others. So, I don't know what type of utopia you think is feasible with total freedom. But humanity would suffer.
I am not a planning nazi. I don't like the idea of boundaries. My only point was that a well-designed and planned community would foster neighborhoods, community, outdoor interaction, etc.
Think about the average people that live in cities - at least the bigger ones. Also the concept of private property may not really exist in places like Baltimore, NYC, Detroit - lots of row houses, apartments, and section-8 housing. People living in big urban areas mostly just want to avoid getting robbed/killed, keep their heads down, and survive. Or they are just completely oblivious. That's why when news channels go interview people on the street and ask them easy questions like who is the president they have no clue.
Some of the things you outlined could work in suburban areas but even there you have the NAZI home owner associations, the soccer moms and Karens, and the people like me who don't want other people telling me what to do.
I guess the only place something like this would work is in an Amish area.
Lancaster, PA is a perfect example of a city in very close proximity to the Amish chock full of shootings, robbery etc. White trash meth heads that block traffic on Rt30 because of whatever the latest thing is. Here's hoping climate change takes them the F out.
It's a pretty safe bet that any car being attended by several cops and being searched is suspected (actually already known to be) trafficking. See it all the time on the freeways.
ln one sense, I see it would work if it were Mayberry, where there is only one drug store, one grocery, etc....except when the one drug store is sub par and you aren't permitted to go elsewhere. This will be as successful as the school districting, where, if you have a failing school, you have to just grin and bear it to the lifelong detriment of that 'customer' (student).
Competition brings out the best in most things. Need to leave the free market in place to work things out.
The concept is actually pretty good. Getting out and walking, and knowing your neighbors in this neighborhood, etc.--those are good things.
The problem is the restrictions and curtailing of freedoms.
Why can't they just design a great city as they're discussing, and let people be free to choose how they live within it, or how they traverse boundaries, etc.? Why the control? Well, we know why...
So, the scary thing actually happening here is that they are packaging something sinister inside a pretty attractive concept.
What did Nancy say? Just say No!
,.its all about control,.give them an inch theyll take a mile,,in britain if you drive in to another neighbourhood you face a170 pound fine about $340.plus it will be easier to lock you down in a fake pandemic,.
That's only a proposal and only for Oxford city (for now). And your currency conversion is way optimistic! 170 GBP = 205 USD.
I based it on our currency which is 2 $NZ to the pound,.,but remember they are all taxes,so it will go up pretty quick,.I posted a link to a video on twitter but it didnt happen
Nope. Still dreaming. The alarm hasn't gone off yet.
Ahh...the convenience of 15 minute shootings ...sounds like quite the paradise...
without some level of civilized design, humanity would be a charlie foxtrot.
can you name one place where your vision has worked? I can name areas where it has not: anywhere rural where people get to do whatever they want. If we don't have some level of zoning and code, we devolve. Period.
99 percent of people are not capable of absolute freedom... simply because they have no consideration for others. So, I don't know what type of utopia you think is feasible with total freedom. But humanity would suffer.
I am not a planning nazi. I don't like the idea of boundaries. My only point was that a well-designed and planned community would foster neighborhoods, community, outdoor interaction, etc.
Nothing... I live in one. Love it.
Think about the average people that live in cities - at least the bigger ones. Also the concept of private property may not really exist in places like Baltimore, NYC, Detroit - lots of row houses, apartments, and section-8 housing. People living in big urban areas mostly just want to avoid getting robbed/killed, keep their heads down, and survive. Or they are just completely oblivious. That's why when news channels go interview people on the street and ask them easy questions like who is the president they have no clue.
Some of the things you outlined could work in suburban areas but even there you have the NAZI home owner associations, the soccer moms and Karens, and the people like me who don't want other people telling me what to do.
I guess the only place something like this would work is in an Amish area.
Excuse me Not even there.
Lancaster, PA is a perfect example of a city in very close proximity to the Amish chock full of shootings, robbery etc. White trash meth heads that block traffic on Rt30 because of whatever the latest thing is. Here's hoping climate change takes them the F out.
"The concept is actually pretty good."
It's a concentration camp you dumb fuck.
You obviously didn't read my comment
I did. What you're talking about is incrementalism.
Lol... I think what I pointed out was that they are packaging something evil inside of something nice, so it needs to be stopped.
15 min cities = Smart Cities.
Quiet part said out loud. Last paragraph
Read Agenda 2030 Paragraph 33.
Plus if you know anything about Cleveland, it's that people fucking HATE each other, but also force each other to play "Midwestern Nice".
A lot of trafficking going on in Ohio too. Top 5 states in the nation and just as bad as New York. So much for being "nice".
It's a pretty safe bet that any car being attended by several cops and being searched is suspected (actually already known to be) trafficking. See it all the time on the freeways.
And think about the how the lack of competition would affect commerce and prices. A gulag.
You seem to think that I am supporting the controls within their concept. I am not.
All I said is that the ideas of walking, building community, etc. are healthy ideas. But you should not be forced to do them.
Great planning without forcing/controlling is the balance that we need.
ln one sense, I see it would work if it were Mayberry, where there is only one drug store, one grocery, etc....except when the one drug store is sub par and you aren't permitted to go elsewhere. This will be as successful as the school districting, where, if you have a failing school, you have to just grin and bear it to the lifelong detriment of that 'customer' (student).
Competition brings out the best in most things. Need to leave the free market in place to work things out.
agreed... that's why I said I disagreed with the controls and boundaries.
Nancy Reagan for you younger folk.
Reminds me of the Hansel and Gretel childrens story. A big tasty gingerbread house with tasty treats owned and operated by a pedovore witch.
Cherry-flavored rat poison.