Edit: Ah! I see you are saying "modern day" Jews. Yeah, ah veil is on them. Through the old testament Jews the lineage of David had to be preserved to bring forth Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean God does not want what is His yearns for them. He will stop Gog and Magog in the end, saving for Himself those Jews that repented and believed in Him. There are Jews that believe in Christ, though not that many. And the Jews and Gentiles that walked with Him and turned to Him will sit at one Table all being glorified by the power of God.
You are right in that the context of these verses have to do with the nation of Israel - which was in conventual relationship with God. These curses would, and did, come to Israel if they broke the conditional covenant they had with God. There are consequences as well as blessings that come with being in covenant with God.
Some say that the US also is in covenantal relationship with God from the moment the Pilgrims landed on our eastern shores. As far as I know, the US is the only other nation to be in such an arrangement. Therefore, if this in indeed true, then we should take some lessons from the fate that befell Israel for their disobedience.
The nation of Israel broke the old covenant and God made a new one with the same people. It was never with those that say they are Judeans and are not.
I did not say, nor did I intend, that we are speaking of the same covenant that existed between God and Israel. I meant that the US also made a covenant of sorts with God when they landed - it is akin to a vow/covenant. Therefore, the US would be held to the parameters and conditions of a covenantal relationship with God. Meaning, if you break it, you suffer the consequences.
Let us be clear... Jesus, his disciples, and the rest of his audience were all Jews with the exception of the Samarians and a few God fearing Gentiles, like the Centurion. Jesus interacted with those considered as Jews in the context of the time. Israel and Jewish were interchangeable terms in that day and not up for debate as it seems to be the case now. Even Paul, as well as the rest of the NT writers, made a clear distinction between who was a Jew/Israel, and who was not - the Gentiles. There was no question in their minds, so why does it have to be a question today? The Jews of Jesus' day never gave a thought to whether Jewish originated as a term for those from Judea. That argument had no meaning for them. Anyone that tries to read into these distinctions something other that how they were meant to be understood in their historical and cultural context is adding meaning not intended by the writers.
I never said you were, I'm am - if you look at the Greek and Hebrew with lexicons and other writings of the time it's quite clear. Judean is the real word, and due to Edomites flooding Judea after the Assyrian deportations, it's merely a geographical identifier, though Christ could tell the wheat from the tears, unlike the apostles. "One among you is a devil" - what group behaves the same as Judas Iscariot? Should be obvious.
The people we call jews today are "those that say they are Judeans and are not" and they have the same behavior as their ancestors that killed our God come in the flesh as Christ. Goyim means nations, and in context, only refers to the other Israelite nations scattered by the Assyrian deportation. The KJV has many translation errors, including adding universalist language in Paul's writings.
The people of the USA, only the pure Whites, were already under God's covenant, so of course OP's pic is applicable to us, same as all pure Whites around the world.
The Bible isn't archetypal, it's the history of our people, and it's been hijacked by the Edomites of today. You can't make up a new covenant without it being in there, as there are no more prophets. It's blasphemy to do so.
You are right - Judean was a geographic identifier. However, the word Ἰουδαῖος means Jewish or Jew. There is a difference. Jews from Galilee were Galileans but they were still Jewish. This is the same for any Jew no matter where they lived in Israel, or the rest of the world. When people finally stop making this about race they will start to come much closer to the truth.
No one was called a jew at that time, it was Judean. All the conflicts of the Bible come from our own lack of knowledge, and when you use that methodology I described earlier, you realize it's all about race, and every conflict disappears.
The Almighty made an eternal, meaning forever, covenant with the people of Israel. If the covenant between the Creator with the sun and the moon can be broken, then Israel will cease being a people before Him. Mankind does not get to come along later and redefine what is meant by Israel. Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience when he made the statement you mention. He also stated that there were other sheep not of the fold he was speaking to at that moment, which were Jews. He said about the others, that he would bring them as well - meaning Gentiles.
Even Paul stated that Gentiles were grafted into Israel as part of the commonwealth. That tree of Israel was the Jewish people of that time as they understood it - not what someone centuries later decided it meant. Christianity did not make a separate redefined tree apart from the tree that already existed. They were meant to be grafted into it. Following Jesus was never a requirement definition of who constituted Israel. That is replacement theology. Israel must be understood within its Biblical context - not what someone else thinks it means.
I wish more British Israelites would be vocal here. It's an uphill battle trying to explain Jews are not Israel. Gentile means nation not people. Much more. Most often Jew referee to a Judea. A place not a race.
It used to be more vocal about this subject, it's so important to understand what is happening today. Why (they) hate us and want to genocide us.
We have the same thing over here, easiest way I explain would be, each state is one of tribes(Reuben, Gad, Judah...) but the United States are the Israelites.
I don't know about which tribe Germans are from but the English are considered from Joseph and they are originally from Germany
Happy researching brother, I think the truth of our identity is really important, and it explains a lot about what's going on and makes our relationship to God a bit more special
I'm Christian Identity. It's much the same probably, just a lot more solid if you want to get down to the Greek and Hebrew. We believe that Christ is God come in the flesh, Christianity is a White only religion, and the jewish(false Judean) problem.
I think are beliefs are mostly the same but I disagree I believe Christianity is for everyone. There are the verses that Christ specifically said go the the lost sheep of the house of Israel, which they did, most went to Europe.
Obviously I agree with you one the khazar theft as well, the problem with a lot of British israelism is has quite a Christian Zionist element to it.
This massage was to the early Israelites who constantly sinned against God. In spite of that over the years through the Old Testament they would humble themselves before him and He would restore them over and over again.
The biggest message from this is we need to turn back to God in order to heal our land. He is in control.
Ephesians 2:19
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Hebrews 13:2
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
1 Peter 4:9
Show hospitality to one another without grumbling.
Leviticus 19:34
“You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 19:33
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.”
Leviticus 24:22
“You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God."
Also, as others have pointed out, you're taking those verses you mention out of context. I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or not, but misrepresenting what the Bible says is not a good thing to do.
Try and 'context' your way out of this extremely simple red text. Emphasis mine.
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Deuteronomy 28:43-44
New International Version
43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.
Deuteronomy 28:43-44
King James Version
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
You're reading it out of context and missing the point. The point with the above verse is that that's what will happen if you disobey God.
Well that sounds incredibly relevant for America these days, no?
Yes and further consequences include having your children taken over by the enemy and not receiving the fruit of your labor. Sounds familiar, no?
Yes, agree. Also context matters, it's a warning to the nation of Israel, which some say it's a reflection of our walk with God.
??? Please elaborate.
Edit: Ah! I see you are saying "modern day" Jews. Yeah, ah veil is on them. Through the old testament Jews the lineage of David had to be preserved to bring forth Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean God does not want what is His yearns for them. He will stop Gog and Magog in the end, saving for Himself those Jews that repented and believed in Him. There are Jews that believe in Christ, though not that many. And the Jews and Gentiles that walked with Him and turned to Him will sit at one Table all being glorified by the power of God.
That is precise. Thank you
You are right in that the context of these verses have to do with the nation of Israel - which was in conventual relationship with God. These curses would, and did, come to Israel if they broke the conditional covenant they had with God. There are consequences as well as blessings that come with being in covenant with God.
Some say that the US also is in covenantal relationship with God from the moment the Pilgrims landed on our eastern shores. As far as I know, the US is the only other nation to be in such an arrangement. Therefore, if this in indeed true, then we should take some lessons from the fate that befell Israel for their disobedience.
The nation of Israel broke the old covenant and God made a new one with the same people. It was never with those that say they are Judeans and are not.
No one else was brought into it.
I did not say, nor did I intend, that we are speaking of the same covenant that existed between God and Israel. I meant that the US also made a covenant of sorts with God when they landed - it is akin to a vow/covenant. Therefore, the US would be held to the parameters and conditions of a covenantal relationship with God. Meaning, if you break it, you suffer the consequences.
Let us be clear... Jesus, his disciples, and the rest of his audience were all Jews with the exception of the Samarians and a few God fearing Gentiles, like the Centurion. Jesus interacted with those considered as Jews in the context of the time. Israel and Jewish were interchangeable terms in that day and not up for debate as it seems to be the case now. Even Paul, as well as the rest of the NT writers, made a clear distinction between who was a Jew/Israel, and who was not - the Gentiles. There was no question in their minds, so why does it have to be a question today? The Jews of Jesus' day never gave a thought to whether Jewish originated as a term for those from Judea. That argument had no meaning for them. Anyone that tries to read into these distinctions something other that how they were meant to be understood in their historical and cultural context is adding meaning not intended by the writers.
I never said you were, I'm am - if you look at the Greek and Hebrew with lexicons and other writings of the time it's quite clear. Judean is the real word, and due to Edomites flooding Judea after the Assyrian deportations, it's merely a geographical identifier, though Christ could tell the wheat from the tears, unlike the apostles. "One among you is a devil" - what group behaves the same as Judas Iscariot? Should be obvious.
The people we call jews today are "those that say they are Judeans and are not" and they have the same behavior as their ancestors that killed our God come in the flesh as Christ. Goyim means nations, and in context, only refers to the other Israelite nations scattered by the Assyrian deportation. The KJV has many translation errors, including adding universalist language in Paul's writings.
The people of the USA, only the pure Whites, were already under God's covenant, so of course OP's pic is applicable to us, same as all pure Whites around the world.
The Bible isn't archetypal, it's the history of our people, and it's been hijacked by the Edomites of today. You can't make up a new covenant without it being in there, as there are no more prophets. It's blasphemy to do so.
You are right - Judean was a geographic identifier. However, the word Ἰουδαῖος means Jewish or Jew. There is a difference. Jews from Galilee were Galileans but they were still Jewish. This is the same for any Jew no matter where they lived in Israel, or the rest of the world. When people finally stop making this about race they will start to come much closer to the truth.
No one was called a jew at that time, it was Judean. All the conflicts of the Bible come from our own lack of knowledge, and when you use that methodology I described earlier, you realize it's all about race, and every conflict disappears.
The Almighty made an eternal, meaning forever, covenant with the people of Israel. If the covenant between the Creator with the sun and the moon can be broken, then Israel will cease being a people before Him. Mankind does not get to come along later and redefine what is meant by Israel. Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience when he made the statement you mention. He also stated that there were other sheep not of the fold he was speaking to at that moment, which were Jews. He said about the others, that he would bring them as well - meaning Gentiles.
Even Paul stated that Gentiles were grafted into Israel as part of the commonwealth. That tree of Israel was the Jewish people of that time as they understood it - not what someone centuries later decided it meant. Christianity did not make a separate redefined tree apart from the tree that already existed. They were meant to be grafted into it. Following Jesus was never a requirement definition of who constituted Israel. That is replacement theology. Israel must be understood within its Biblical context - not what someone else thinks it means.
This. Reading must be done above and below the verse as well. Scripture benefits from the literal, historical, grammatical interpretation.
The Bible also says that usury is not allowed, but our greatest allies use it so therefore it would be antisemitic to say otherwise.
Were allowed to charge foreign nations interest but not too eachother.
I'm a British Israelite before you accuse me of being (((them)))
No I'm not a Jew, thank you for your kind words anyway, I believe Europeans are the exiled house of Israel.
I'm sure God will deliver all his people and gather them a lot sooner than we expect.
God bless fren as you're a good one
Greetings cousin, what was once an extremely fringe idea is now catching on. Praise be to God.
I'm Northern Irish it has been our belief for a long long time. I was raised in our Israelite truth.
I'm really glad it's catching on, it was the official stance of the Anglican church before WW2.
You're a brother/sister to me anon(s), God will redeem us and will avenge what is happening to us, especially if we stay in prayer.
The world is meant to crumble around us in these last days, it looks like we're losing but our enemies are only condemning themselves.
You state truth friend.
I wish more British Israelites would be vocal here. It's an uphill battle trying to explain Jews are not Israel. Gentile means nation not people. Much more. Most often Jew referee to a Judea. A place not a race.
It used to be more vocal about this subject, it's so important to understand what is happening today. Why (they) hate us and want to genocide us.
We have the same thing over here, easiest way I explain would be, each state is one of tribes(Reuben, Gad, Judah...) but the United States are the Israelites.
WATP (We Are The People)
I've been studying this for 3 years. I have listened to and read everything I can.
I'm the same, I took it as truth as a child and when I came to the faith I really read up on it.
I've bought quite a few books on it, I made this post over a year ago
https://greatawakening.win/p/12j0HuQsx6/our-israelite-identityi-have/
Its photos I've taken from some literature I bought.
Have a look at the British Israelite world federation. https://www.britishisrael.co.uk/
And their bookstore http://www.covpub.co.uk/
Do you know where your ancestors are from? I'm assuming your American.
I'm German living in America. Thanks for the links I'll check them out.
I'm sure you'll find some good information there.
I don't know about which tribe Germans are from but the English are considered from Joseph and they are originally from Germany
Happy researching brother, I think the truth of our identity is really important, and it explains a lot about what's going on and makes our relationship to God a bit more special
Amen Amen and Amen to brother. A difficult subject well explained.
I'm Christian Identity. It's much the same probably, just a lot more solid if you want to get down to the Greek and Hebrew. We believe that Christ is God come in the flesh, Christianity is a White only religion, and the jewish(false Judean) problem.
https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-basics
My favourite source for CI. I have listened to every single podcast at least twice. Friday nights live! Yea
I think are beliefs are mostly the same but I disagree I believe Christianity is for everyone. There are the verses that Christ specifically said go the the lost sheep of the house of Israel, which they did, most went to Europe.
Obviously I agree with you one the khazar theft as well, the problem with a lot of British israelism is has quite a Christian Zionist element to it.
Had too look up usury🤷♀️🤦♀️🥴 but yes...
Oy vey!
Every single time.
This massage was to the early Israelites who constantly sinned against God. In spite of that over the years through the Old Testament they would humble themselves before him and He would restore them over and over again.
The biggest message from this is we need to turn back to God in order to heal our land. He is in control.
And we all continue in that sinning against God.
Yes, of course. We are all sinners before God.
Wow. Relevant
My thought exactly! Ilhan comes to my d here
= Israel in America
Interesting. Because the Bible also says;
Ephesians 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Hebrews 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
1 Peter 4:9 Show hospitality to one another without grumbling.
Leviticus 19:34 “You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 19:33 “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.”
Leviticus 24:22 “You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God."
Also, as others have pointed out, you're taking those verses you mention out of context. I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or not, but misrepresenting what the Bible says is not a good thing to do.
Good job with context.
Try and 'context' your way out of this extremely simple red text. Emphasis mine.
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
You the man, Vengeance.
So you change the subject to cover up your nazi shit.
FUCK THE NAZIS
You defend nazis. Enough said.
Just know this: you may be able to fool everyone in the entire world by twisting His word; you cannot fool God.
Except most don't lend us money. We lend them money. The most brain-dead thing possible to do
You do realize that God was speaking TO THE JEWS in this verse don't you? This chapter is literally Moses speaking to the people of Israel.
Ephesians 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
That is not a thing. Jesus saves everyone.
God was not telling us to despise foreigners in our lands. He has said literally the opposite multiple times in the Bible.
Fuck your nazi shit.
Red Text. Emphasis mine.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I'll repeat myself:
FUCK YOUR NAZI SHIT
The irony. 🤦♀️
What version is that? Kjv does it best imo
Deuteronomy 28:43-44 King James Version 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Technically citizens are treated as the tail
Who here got a loan from any of them?
Two fatal errors here.
Will we stone adulterers next?
What bible is this because I just read Deuteronomy which is bad but these words are not there.
Deuteronomy 28:43-44 New International Version 43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.
Deuteronomy 28:43-44 King James Version 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Its just a different translation - there are so many these days it's difficult to keep track of every one, however the sentiments are the same.
"Foreigners" is probably a reference to the Khazars - still around.
Please stop noseticing what the Bible truly talks about.