The book of revelation says that there will be a man that will rise up and claim peace, peace for all nations. I’m sorry, but this sounds a little bit antichrist-ish. I’m not saying he is, I’m just saying, we’re studying the book right now and it kind of lines up. I’m cautious about everything.
Some people tend to forget how often God said in the bible to "FEAR NOT for I am with you"..
Your fear feeds those you fear making those you fear stronger while making you weaker by weakening your connection to God.
Obviously our adversaries attack our hearts and minds 24/7 with tempting fear porn, including adversaries wearing Christian camo.
Consequently, rather than feeding fears, please consider heeding Your Fathers warning command to FEAR NOT.
Then focus on learning how to live the first words of the only prayer Christ taught us to say to Our Father " Fathef, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
Fortunately, Our Father made His will clear by saying it over and over and over again in the bible.
FEAR NOT for I am with you (and I LOVE you).
Perhaps start at the beginning rather than the end?
Who said I was afraid? I’m not fearful. So I’m not sure where you got that tone. I’m not worried at all. The more I see the world burn, the more excited I get that Christ is coming.
I love the lord with my whole heart, and yes, I have every day frustrations like everyone else, but being fearful of the future is not one of them.
I am a daughter of the king, I have the Holy Spirit living inside of me, and I look to God’s Word daily to guide me in the way He would have me go.
However, your advice is spot - for those who are fearful. This world is so full of fear porn, it’s just oozing from every MSM outlet. Sometimes that’s the only comment I make on a thread. Fear porn!
Thank you for being so gracious. Also thank you for asking a question.
From my experience, worry is typically a mild response to what is feared but is not yet fearful enough to be recognized as fear.
Consequently I went straight to the bibles advice about fear since I believed, based on your comment, that those words could be heard.
Unsurprisingly, the bible also warns about worry. For example, Christ commanded His followers "Let not your heart be troubled". In other words " Worry not" AND "Fear not". 😘
There are More requirements then seeking peace. Many men seek to bring peace. The anti Christ will be well liked I believe it says and will deny Christ. Amongst other things. Yes be cautious but also don't let seeking to have peace turn someone Into any anti Christ.
I'm praying for you. Revelation studies tend to get dark and bring down people. Make sure u are spending time reading positive stuff as well. Like the gospels maybe. Also remember the message of revelation is not the anti Christ or seeking to figure out who it is. The message is to remain in faith to Christ till the end. Whatever that may be. Jesus will come and he protects his flock
The anti Christ will be well liked, and will deny Christ. --- Remember the message of revelation is not the anti Christ or seeking to figure out who it is. The message is to remain in faith to Christ till the end. Whatever that may be. Jesus will come and he protects his flock
I sent the story to my Bible study leader. Here’s what she returned to me.
AC -antichrist
HS -Holy Spirit
Israel has been crying for peace for centuries. And yes, some day, someone, the future AC, will bring peace to the whole world with a signed, 7 yr contract between him and Israel. And we will be out of here before that happens.
Because of our HS, will recognize him. An uneasiness. And 2 Thess tells us, the AC to be, can’t begin operations until the HS is out of here. That’s us.
No one knows the who-who. But be watchful. Could be anyone.
But people like Hal Lindsey and other prophecy teachers, say, he’ll come out of the Roman Empire. The empire of Johns day or at its zenith when the empire went to the UK.
More mid-eastern? And he’ll be a gentile.
I was told to always keep you eye on Israel for events to come. And a rabbi there, is claiming to be the messiah, and doing miracles? Satan can do strange things too don’t forget.
Again, just be watchful. Keep the oil lanterns burning.
Oh, I agree with everything you just said. I’m not painting of wide brush, stroke. I’m just saying.
Also, I don’t find the book of revelation to be dark at all. We’ve been going through it with a fine tooth comb, and to be perfectly honest… I love studying this book. There is a lot to learn, and there’s a lot of mystery still there. But it’s been really interesting and the woman who’s doing the study really loves the Lord and is a great teacher and leader.
I am from the school of pre-TRIB. So I do not fear of the book of revelation, it literally states that if you study that book you will be blessed! So knowing that I will not be here during that time, makes it a much more enjoyable study.
But yes, I do feel bad for people who will be left behind, because they’re going to have a hard life for seven years. One of my plans is to get a Bible for my daughter, and leave her instructions in the event she is left behind. She was raised a Christian, and hopefully she will come back to the Lord. I don’t know if she truly ever accepted him because she completely denies Christ now. But I will be leaving a letter for her in a Bible, so she’ll know what to do when the time comes.
In the meantime, I’m praying for her salvation, so she doesn’t have to go through that horrific time.
Thank you for the encouragement and admonishment! Yes, I know there are a lot more other requirements for the antichrist, but I just find it interesting that Israel is crying, peace, peace, and the antichrist is supposed to bring peace to this world. But yes, they will deny Christ and Donald Trump does has not done that. Yet!
Have u ever looked Into the other camps (interestingly they all have scripture to support) or the cons of pre trib just curious
Shouldbt we seek to walk with Christ in such a way that we could endure the tribulation or anything thrown at us. Rather then just say oh we won't have to. Remember it's called the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" told to John in the spirit.
Just providing some counter thoughts hope they aren't taken negatively. Oh and I love that u wanna leave her a note.
Does it really matter what I think? No! God’s going to do with God’s going to do. Whether I’m taken in the clouds, or left here to suffer for another seven years, it really doesn’t matter what I think.
This is the way I look at it…
We are the bride of Christ! I know Christ is a gentleman, and I can’t imagine him, wanting to beat up his bride - before she gets there.
Those last seven years on earth are going to be horrific, and I can’t imagine Christ putting his church, his believers, through such horrific times. Also… If the Holy Spirit is removed at that time, then how can we be here. The Holy Spirit lives in us.
I find it fascinating that people would want to stay here and suffer longer, like we haven’t had enough suffering already. It’s almost as if we are used to the abuse now, and now people think that we deserve it and should stay longer for that last seven years so we could be as miserable as possible.
We don’t need to suffer to earn salvation. Works are great, and they are a fruit of our salvation, however, on the cross, he did say it is finished. I rest in that daily.
You know me, I’m not an optimist. But on this one thing, I’m standing my ground.
But really, it doesn’t matter what we think. God’s gonna do what he’s gonna do. Just like today and always.
NO ONE CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING.
This is a biblical reference, though, because it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what his word says.
Two places. 2 Thess 2: 6-12. And Rev 3:10 Jesus Himself promises us that we will not have to go through the time (hour) of testing.
There’s more, but I’m sure you have other scriptures to refute mine. And then we could argue about it, and it wouldn’t matter what we think anyway.
And no, I’m not bothered that you are questioning my theology. This has been an age old question for centuries. Even the greatest theologians argue about this. You get to think what you wanna think, and I’ll think what I think, and in the end… It doesn’t matter. God’s gonna do with God’s gonna do.
🤣😂🤣😂👏👏👏
If Revelation studies get dark, they're reading the entire book incorrectly. Typically this means a futurist interpretive lens is assumed. Figurative language and symbolic numbers are all taken literal. Timelines are concocted on questionable interpretive methods. Present circumstances (every generation!) get shoe-horned into the text, etc etc.
Revelation was written to audiences who were already undergoing dark experiences, and the motivation for the visions and letters that make up Revelation was to bring encouragement and joy. Its essentially the state of affairs on earth and in the Church from heaven's point of view. No greater comfort.
Yes I personally have felt breif moments of heaven as if I am starting through a glass darkly. I have a very intimate relationship with Jesus in soul+mind+body. He is my best friend.
I agree to a degree. I have talked to many different people with different views on the book. Yes it gets dark because they take there focus off the fact it's called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hallelujah Praise Jesus. We love u
Well let’s see, who appears at the second coming? Christ and all these angels, yeah? Who do see when you die? Christ, abc all his angels, yeah? Good people go where and bad people go where during the second coming? And what happens to people when they die?
Christ was clear he wasn’t coming back physically, and to watch out for anyone who said he had or was, and yet he made it very clear his disciples would be seeing him soon enough, right?
Did he lie? No. More likely than not, the scripture was altered or misunderstood. Christian obsession with the last days and the second coming and the tea leaf reading they engage in at sunday school with the book of revelation has been going on quite a bit long enough for me thank you very much.
You want a prophecy that hasn’t come true yet? Read Habakkuk. If you want an end times prophecy that likely still applies and that we can actually look forward to and work toward? That’s where you should be looking if you ask me.
"17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."
Notice the keyword GIVE, when you vote a president into power its a Transfer of Power from the People to the president since he represents you.
It literally tells you the beast has to come into power by voting him in & with this symbolism you are right to feel red flags going off, ignore the down votes and stand firm with Jesus, people tend to forget who's important at the end of the day, Man or God & the moment you mention going against a "Man" they like they'll try anything to bring you down. Remember God always comes before Man. We have a 4 year presidential system and the beast is to rule for 3 1/2 months which is real convenient for our 4 year system.
Keep your head on a swivel & if anyone is upset over this, You're the problem. God Always Wins.
The book of revelation says that there will be a man that will rise up and claim peace, peace for all nations. I’m sorry, but this sounds a little bit antichrist-ish. I’m not saying he is, I’m just saying, we’re studying the book right now and it kind of lines up. I’m cautious about everything.
Some people tend to forget how often God said in the bible to "FEAR NOT for I am with you"..
Your fear feeds those you fear making those you fear stronger while making you weaker by weakening your connection to God.
Obviously our adversaries attack our hearts and minds 24/7 with tempting fear porn, including adversaries wearing Christian camo.
Consequently, rather than feeding fears, please consider heeding Your Fathers warning command to FEAR NOT.
Then focus on learning how to live the first words of the only prayer Christ taught us to say to Our Father " Fathef, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
Fortunately, Our Father made His will clear by saying it over and over and over again in the bible.
FEAR NOT for I am with you (and I LOVE you).
Perhaps start at the beginning rather than the end?
Who said I was afraid? I’m not fearful. So I’m not sure where you got that tone. I’m not worried at all. The more I see the world burn, the more excited I get that Christ is coming.
I love the lord with my whole heart, and yes, I have every day frustrations like everyone else, but being fearful of the future is not one of them.
I am a daughter of the king, I have the Holy Spirit living inside of me, and I look to God’s Word daily to guide me in the way He would have me go.
However, your advice is spot - for those who are fearful. This world is so full of fear porn, it’s just oozing from every MSM outlet. Sometimes that’s the only comment I make on a thread. Fear porn!
Thanks for your valuable input!
Thank you for being so gracious. Also thank you for asking a question.
From my experience, worry is typically a mild response to what is feared but is not yet fearful enough to be recognized as fear.
Consequently I went straight to the bibles advice about fear since I believed, based on your comment, that those words could be heard.
Unsurprisingly, the bible also warns about worry. For example, Christ commanded His followers "Let not your heart be troubled". In other words " Worry not" AND "Fear not". 😘
Bottom line, God bless you anon. Bon voyage.
Wow I love this.
Starring through the glass darkly. Heaven is at hand !
There are More requirements then seeking peace. Many men seek to bring peace. The anti Christ will be well liked I believe it says and will deny Christ. Amongst other things. Yes be cautious but also don't let seeking to have peace turn someone Into any anti Christ.
I'm praying for you. Revelation studies tend to get dark and bring down people. Make sure u are spending time reading positive stuff as well. Like the gospels maybe. Also remember the message of revelation is not the anti Christ or seeking to figure out who it is. The message is to remain in faith to Christ till the end. Whatever that may be. Jesus will come and he protects his flock
Well said, Again :)
I sent the story to my Bible study leader. Here’s what she returned to me.
AC -antichrist HS -Holy Spirit
Israel has been crying for peace for centuries. And yes, some day, someone, the future AC, will bring peace to the whole world with a signed, 7 yr contract between him and Israel. And we will be out of here before that happens.
Because of our HS, will recognize him. An uneasiness. And 2 Thess tells us, the AC to be, can’t begin operations until the HS is out of here. That’s us. No one knows the who-who. But be watchful. Could be anyone.
But people like Hal Lindsey and other prophecy teachers, say, he’ll come out of the Roman Empire. The empire of Johns day or at its zenith when the empire went to the UK. More mid-eastern? And he’ll be a gentile.
I was told to always keep you eye on Israel for events to come. And a rabbi there, is claiming to be the messiah, and doing miracles? Satan can do strange things too don’t forget.
Again, just be watchful. Keep the oil lanterns burning.
Oh, I agree with everything you just said. I’m not painting of wide brush, stroke. I’m just saying.
Also, I don’t find the book of revelation to be dark at all. We’ve been going through it with a fine tooth comb, and to be perfectly honest… I love studying this book. There is a lot to learn, and there’s a lot of mystery still there. But it’s been really interesting and the woman who’s doing the study really loves the Lord and is a great teacher and leader.
I am from the school of pre-TRIB. So I do not fear of the book of revelation, it literally states that if you study that book you will be blessed! So knowing that I will not be here during that time, makes it a much more enjoyable study.
But yes, I do feel bad for people who will be left behind, because they’re going to have a hard life for seven years. One of my plans is to get a Bible for my daughter, and leave her instructions in the event she is left behind. She was raised a Christian, and hopefully she will come back to the Lord. I don’t know if she truly ever accepted him because she completely denies Christ now. But I will be leaving a letter for her in a Bible, so she’ll know what to do when the time comes.
In the meantime, I’m praying for her salvation, so she doesn’t have to go through that horrific time.
Thank you for the encouragement and admonishment! Yes, I know there are a lot more other requirements for the antichrist, but I just find it interesting that Israel is crying, peace, peace, and the antichrist is supposed to bring peace to this world. But yes, they will deny Christ and Donald Trump does has not done that. Yet!
Have u ever looked Into the other camps (interestingly they all have scripture to support) or the cons of pre trib just curious
Shouldbt we seek to walk with Christ in such a way that we could endure the tribulation or anything thrown at us. Rather then just say oh we won't have to. Remember it's called the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" told to John in the spirit.
Just providing some counter thoughts hope they aren't taken negatively. Oh and I love that u wanna leave her a note.
Does it really matter what I think? No! God’s going to do with God’s going to do. Whether I’m taken in the clouds, or left here to suffer for another seven years, it really doesn’t matter what I think.
This is the way I look at it…
We are the bride of Christ! I know Christ is a gentleman, and I can’t imagine him, wanting to beat up his bride - before she gets there.
Those last seven years on earth are going to be horrific, and I can’t imagine Christ putting his church, his believers, through such horrific times. Also… If the Holy Spirit is removed at that time, then how can we be here. The Holy Spirit lives in us.
I find it fascinating that people would want to stay here and suffer longer, like we haven’t had enough suffering already. It’s almost as if we are used to the abuse now, and now people think that we deserve it and should stay longer for that last seven years so we could be as miserable as possible.
We don’t need to suffer to earn salvation. Works are great, and they are a fruit of our salvation, however, on the cross, he did say it is finished. I rest in that daily.
You know me, I’m not an optimist. But on this one thing, I’m standing my ground.
But really, it doesn’t matter what we think. God’s gonna do what he’s gonna do. Just like today and always.
NO ONE CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING.
This is a biblical reference, though, because it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what his word says.
Two places. 2 Thess 2: 6-12. And Rev 3:10 Jesus Himself promises us that we will not have to go through the time (hour) of testing.
There’s more, but I’m sure you have other scriptures to refute mine. And then we could argue about it, and it wouldn’t matter what we think anyway.
And no, I’m not bothered that you are questioning my theology. This has been an age old question for centuries. Even the greatest theologians argue about this. You get to think what you wanna think, and I’ll think what I think, and in the end… It doesn’t matter. God’s gonna do with God’s gonna do. 🤣😂🤣😂👏👏👏
If Revelation studies get dark, they're reading the entire book incorrectly. Typically this means a futurist interpretive lens is assumed. Figurative language and symbolic numbers are all taken literal. Timelines are concocted on questionable interpretive methods. Present circumstances (every generation!) get shoe-horned into the text, etc etc.
Revelation was written to audiences who were already undergoing dark experiences, and the motivation for the visions and letters that make up Revelation was to bring encouragement and joy. Its essentially the state of affairs on earth and in the Church from heaven's point of view. No greater comfort.
Some comments on interpreting Revelation: http://links.christreformed.org/irons/20220102-Interpreting-The-Book-Of-Revelation.mp3
Do u believe in the literal second coming?
Yes I personally have felt breif moments of heaven as if I am starting through a glass darkly. I have a very intimate relationship with Jesus in soul+mind+body. He is my best friend.
I agree to a degree. I have talked to many different people with different views on the book. Yes it gets dark because they take there focus off the fact it's called the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hallelujah Praise Jesus. We love u
Correct. Revelation was fulfilled already. Ages ago. We have our own story to fulfill now.
The anti-Christ prophecy was fulfilled two millennia ago. Revelation is a history book now, not a prediction.
So u don't believe in a second coming?
Well let’s see, who appears at the second coming? Christ and all these angels, yeah? Who do see when you die? Christ, abc all his angels, yeah? Good people go where and bad people go where during the second coming? And what happens to people when they die?
Christ was clear he wasn’t coming back physically, and to watch out for anyone who said he had or was, and yet he made it very clear his disciples would be seeing him soon enough, right?
Did he lie? No. More likely than not, the scripture was altered or misunderstood. Christian obsession with the last days and the second coming and the tea leaf reading they engage in at sunday school with the book of revelation has been going on quite a bit long enough for me thank you very much.
You want a prophecy that hasn’t come true yet? Read Habakkuk. If you want an end times prophecy that likely still applies and that we can actually look forward to and work toward? That’s where you should be looking if you ask me.
Read Revelation Chapter 17 verse 17.
"17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." Notice the keyword GIVE, when you vote a president into power its a Transfer of Power from the People to the president since he represents you.
It literally tells you the beast has to come into power by voting him in & with this symbolism you are right to feel red flags going off, ignore the down votes and stand firm with Jesus, people tend to forget who's important at the end of the day, Man or God & the moment you mention going against a "Man" they like they'll try anything to bring you down. Remember God always comes before Man. We have a 4 year presidential system and the beast is to rule for 3 1/2 months which is real convenient for our 4 year system.
Keep your head on a swivel & if anyone is upset over this, You're the problem. God Always Wins.
Thank you for saying this. Because that’s what I think. I think at the end of the day, God is in control. God, Womens! For sure.
We don’t know who or what he’s going to use for his plan to become complete.
That’s the plan I’m following!
Thanks God bless you and have a great day.