Plenty of people have come forward with claims of eye witness knowledge of election fraud.
And they have signed affidavits, under oath.
BUT ...
Those affidavits and those claims are not "officially" testimony UNTIL the person testifies under oath ... IN COURT.
The judges have refused to allow that to happen.
So technically, there is no evidence presented. But that is ONLY because corrupt judges refuse to allow the process to unfold so that it CAN be presented, under the Rules of Evidence.
It's a good show so far--even the Dems are having to eat some crow, whether they like it or not. The Deep State will still fight, but the Normies have been waking up. Any left that still believe this garbage are getting roundly roasted and mocked.
So all this talk about nothing having any weight until testified under oath, are prosecutors under oath when they make claims against the defendent or make false statements in the court of law?
So all this talk about nothing having any weight until testified under oath,
It is not just "talk." Those are the Rules of Evidence in EVERY court case.
are prosecutors under oath when they make claims against the defendent
No, they are not. They are under a different set of rules. They are "officers of the court." So, they are THEORETICALLY required to be honest. But if they lie, will anything happen? Depends on the political climate of the court, the State Attorney General, and the Bar Association (which is made up of attorneys who make a living by lying all the time).
Because they are NOT under oath when they make statements (oral or in writing), their statements are NOT evidence.
Evidence can ONLY be presented by (a) a witness who (b) has first-hand knowledge, that (c) is testified to (d) under oath (e) IN A COURT ROOM (f) of a court case.
NOTHING ELSE is testimony.
This is why the DS puppets can lie about this. They are parsing words, which sounds like truth, but in fact are lies.
or make false statements in the court of law?
This one is interesting. If any person who is an "officer of the court" (i.e. judges and attorneys) makes a false statement in a case, AND the judge uses that (in part) to base their judicial decision on, that is called "fraud on the court" and the opinion can be overturned.
Plus, the case can NOT be relitigated because "fraud vitiates everything."
My point about the not having any weight was in terms of if it’s the truth, not what argued In the court of law. Kemp is intentionally conflating the two to deceive the public and its the truck they’ve been using for the 2020 election fraud; prevent court cases from admitting legal evidence then claim no evidence exists, implying it never happened.
Your second point is interesting. Throughout the indictment they use Trump “illegally” did this and “illegally” did that when describing legal actions. Curious if that would constitute that fraud you mentioned. But as weve seen with the courts, they will make their determination then figure out a way to word it to “justify” their conclusion.
Just musings from a citizen with no law background.
You are right about the officer of the court bit 100%. But DAs and regular attorneys take oaths to be admitted to the state bar. Some states' oaths actually prohibit dishonesty and deceit, but Georgia's oath is pretty weak compared to South Dakota's oath. More attorneys and DAs need to be held to their oaths and prosecuted when they violate them.
Here is the oath for Georgia:
I do solemnly swear that I will conduct myself as an attorney or counselor of the Supreme Court of Georgia, truly and honestly, justly and uprightly, and according to law; and that I will support the Constitution of the State of Georgia and the Constitution of the United States. So help me God.
Brian Kemp must like handcuffs.
And dislike exploding cars.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/15/the-level-of-pretending-needed-to-believe-this-is-jaw-dropping/ When you have already dug yourself in this badly, best to stop digging, as it won't help any of you but it makes it much easier for the Patriots so thanks for that!
Correct.
Plenty of people have come forward with claims of eye witness knowledge of election fraud.
And they have signed affidavits, under oath.
BUT ...
Those affidavits and those claims are not "officially" testimony UNTIL the person testifies under oath ... IN COURT.
The judges have refused to allow that to happen.
So technically, there is no evidence presented. But that is ONLY because corrupt judges refuse to allow the process to unfold so that it CAN be presented, under the Rules of Evidence.
Kemp knows this, no doubt.
He is a DS puppet.
Damn... did not know.... That is significant.....
Trump will get his chance to show his evidence to the court!!
It's a good show so far--even the Dems are having to eat some crow, whether they like it or not. The Deep State will still fight, but the Normies have been waking up. Any left that still believe this garbage are getting roundly roasted and mocked.
They tried to frame a sitting President for treason. Their corruption has no limit.
Says the 17 hour troll 🤣🤣.
So all this talk about nothing having any weight until testified under oath, are prosecutors under oath when they make claims against the defendent or make false statements in the court of law?
It is not just "talk." Those are the Rules of Evidence in EVERY court case.
No, they are not. They are under a different set of rules. They are "officers of the court." So, they are THEORETICALLY required to be honest. But if they lie, will anything happen? Depends on the political climate of the court, the State Attorney General, and the Bar Association (which is made up of attorneys who make a living by lying all the time).
Because they are NOT under oath when they make statements (oral or in writing), their statements are NOT evidence.
Evidence can ONLY be presented by (a) a witness who (b) has first-hand knowledge, that (c) is testified to (d) under oath (e) IN A COURT ROOM (f) of a court case.
NOTHING ELSE is testimony.
This is why the DS puppets can lie about this. They are parsing words, which sounds like truth, but in fact are lies.
This one is interesting. If any person who is an "officer of the court" (i.e. judges and attorneys) makes a false statement in a case, AND the judge uses that (in part) to base their judicial decision on, that is called "fraud on the court" and the opinion can be overturned.
Plus, the case can NOT be relitigated because "fraud vitiates everything."
My point about the not having any weight was in terms of if it’s the truth, not what argued In the court of law. Kemp is intentionally conflating the two to deceive the public and its the truck they’ve been using for the 2020 election fraud; prevent court cases from admitting legal evidence then claim no evidence exists, implying it never happened.
Your second point is interesting. Throughout the indictment they use Trump “illegally” did this and “illegally” did that when describing legal actions. Curious if that would constitute that fraud you mentioned. But as weve seen with the courts, they will make their determination then figure out a way to word it to “justify” their conclusion.
Just musings from a citizen with no law background.
Exactly.
You are right about the officer of the court bit 100%. But DAs and regular attorneys take oaths to be admitted to the state bar. Some states' oaths actually prohibit dishonesty and deceit, but Georgia's oath is pretty weak compared to South Dakota's oath. More attorneys and DAs need to be held to their oaths and prosecuted when they violate them.
Here is the oath for Georgia:
https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.inbar.org/resource/resmgr/litigation/Oaths.pdf
Being under oath only matters when you're caught in a lie anyway.
Judge to witness: "Remember, you are still under oath."!!!!!!! Cracks me up every time on these idiotos!!!!
Not if nobody prosecutes.
Just look at Fauci, Garland, Mayorkas, Holder, etc. etc. etc.
They keep repeating this lie over and over again hoping we believe the lie.
Kemp is compromised and controlled.
SoTrue.
I for one will enjoy that press conference!
Is getin hot