Why is Israel bombing civvies and not military installations? Sounds like a war crime to me!
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My understanding is the Palestinian military installations are home brew and most are undercover of civilian homes and business back rooms in community buildings etc.
BINGO!!
So kill the innocent civilians - got it!
It is not ideal for sure. Remember this is the the Terrorists thought process for your exact outcry. So they are winning the hearts and minds of many and in a way supporting their actions! Your welcome to come up with a better plan and move it forward….
You have it backward. A combatant has a positive obligation to separate its armed forces physically from its civilians. Human shields are a war crime. This would be, for example, mounting anti-aircraft guns on the roof of a hospital. The other combatant may legitimately attack military targets WHEREVER THEY ARE.
And, I think it is a universal principle that when one side throws away the rule book---as Hamas did with the deliberate targeting, capture, and deaths of civilians, mothers, fathers, and children---then there is only one rule book...and they have thrown it away.
Now, I begin to understand why God directed the Israelites to obliterate the Caananites. Of what are the Gaza people innocent? Harboring mass murderers? Nobody gets off the hook.
I apologize. My high blood pressure sometimes clouds my thinking. What I was attempting to clarify was that it really wasn't a question of Israel finding a better approach than also hitting civilians as collateral casualties---because it was an original obligation of Hamas not to create that problem.
There's a lot of agitation over Israel "committing war crimes," but the original war crime (use of human shields) was committed by Hamas. Every combatant has a clear right to target opposing combatant forces, however situated. I see a lot of confusion about the subject of war crimes in the Ukrainian context and I have become sensitized about it.
You are fine. I just wanted you to be aware that your position is stronger than you thought.
Well...... lets look at the attack. Was the attack directed and sent form the civilian markets?
Hamas is coming INTO Isreal. So... logically, one would STOP the invaders FIRST.
One would not BOMB civilians in an unrelated area prior to fortifying ones own line.
The attack, the surprise, the response... nothing makes reasonable sense no matter how one looks at it.
Where the attack was sent from has no relevance to how to proceed. All military targets are legitimate, no matter whence the originate.
To deal with the situation it would be necessary to (1) repel or kill the invaders, and (2) simultaneously eliminate their capability to attack from long range. There is no reason to wait for either measure. Doing so would be illogical.
There is no indication that Israel is bombing civilians by choice. If it bombs known or suspected Hamas operating units, it does not matter if civilians are present. Hamas has a positive obligation under either the Geneva or Hague convention to segregate its forces from its population. They do not get to use human shields, and the enforcement of that principle is that there is no war crime involved in shooting back at the enemy if they are embedded in the public.
The response makes perfect sense.
Umm...Where in my response, or in dumb_okie's comment say anything about killing innocent civilians?
He is stating a fact.
I guess science and fact's don't always agree.
You stick with the science, and I'll stick with the fact's...
The civvies have often been cannon fodder in Palestine. Human meat shields are a common strategy over there including putting ammo caches in elementary schools and attacking from these same structures when the opportunity arises (typically AA).
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. They don't generally create clear military installations, in the vicinity of their active operations sites, separate from civilian areas unless they are operating in a neutral or supporting country that they believe is safe from attack by Israel military.
Now given all that above, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Israeli military might embellish the validity of some seemingly civilian targets (calling them military) in the coming days. It's going to be ugly and messy. A lot of innocent people and children are already dead and in the next few days and weeks many more innocents will join them in premature violent brutal horrifying death. It is a war and it's going to suck.
lol at the comments defending bombing civilians.
let's say they are harboring weapons in residential areas, why not send in such an "elite" army? Instead of leveling the buildings competely
The infamous Palestinian Jeffrey Epstein lived in a residential building in. Manhattan, should that be blown up as well? Or is that different?
How about Vegas Shooter, why not just blow up the hotel and casino he used?
"only Israel can target civilians!!! REEEE"
You’re right and I do believe this is about committing genocide with the world’s approval
At the moment, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran are all on the same page, and that page says "Death to Israel," which is unmistakable genocide. They are receiving widespread approval or silent toleration throughout the world. The U.S. government gifted Iran $6 billion to facilitate its strategies, and (as I have read recently) offered $ millions to Palestine. So, yes, it is about committing genocide against Israel with the world's approval.
Why add the negative question at the end Socrates?
Yes? No?
both sides are targeting civilians but the world is cheering on the side with the money, power, weapons, and famous pedophiles.
They are not. Hamas/Gaza has a positive obligation under international law not to use human shields, which are forbidden as a tactic. Israel has no moral or legal obligation to do anything other than target their military forces or capabilities, wherever they are located. (In other words, the enforcement of the prohibition against human shields is that no one has to regard the welfare of the shields.)
The only moral question is whether Hamas has any right to use human shields, when there is worldwide acceptance of such use being illegitimate. There is no violation of international agreements by engaging the enemy, wherever the enemy is located.
Nor is the attacked party under any obligation to become a pretzel in order to avoid civilian casualties which were the responsibility of the attacker to preclude. It doesn't matter if Hamas was a government with a Pentagon, or mere rabble.
what do human shields have to do with bombing residential apartment complexes?
"only Israel is allowed to murder civilians!"
When Hamas sets up offices or headquarters in apartment complexes. The Israelis recently bombed a building at the local university, because it was being used for this purpose, as well as being an armory for ammunition. It is an old trick by the Ukrainians to use human shields, and Hamas is just borrowing the playbook, putting armed forces (a legitimate target) among civilians, and when they are bombed, cry "Israel is murdering civilians!" And gullible types sing their song.
does the same logic go for Hamas targeting civilians?
If a senior military commander lives in an apartment complex we can blow up the whole thing right? The whole block, no need to just stop at one building.
Or is that different?
Epstein ran a child trafficking ring from his apartment in Manhattan, should we blow up that building as well?
Private dwellings with no functional military presence would not count as a legitimate military target. But the Ukrainians shell only civilians without a second thought. And so did Hamas.
I think you are making light of this in order to ignore it. But it was not ignored when the Geneva and Hague treaties on conventions of war were negotiated. Human shields are forbidden. It is not permissible to position anti-aircraft guns on top of hospitals, or store munitions in factories, or set up command centers in university buildings, or fighting teams in apartments. What's the penalty? The opponent always has a right to target military forces or equipment, no matter where they are. The Russians have been scrupulous about this in Ukraine. I'm not sure how scrupulous the Israelis are, but since the Gazans democratically chose Hamas to be their government, they have signed up for all the backblast the actions of Hamas provokes. "But they are innocent civilians!" Innocent of what? Certainly not innocent of approving, endorsing, supporting, and obeying outright terrorists. They are accomplices.
you want to defend Israel launching attacks against syria and using white phosphorous while you're at it?
Have they? Who says so? (Apparently Human Rights Watch, a UN advocate.) Video? Chemical assay? Question everything?
Are there hostile formations in Syria? We are there without invitation, so who is the worse actor?
Here is a good resource on the use of white phosphorus, which, if used as a smoke-producing agent (smokescreens, target marking) is not banned by any treaty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munitions#International_law Do more research, less knee-jerking.
You remind me of the "We don't need no trial; hang the bastard!" spirit of thought.
This is a false flag imo. Gives Israel righteous indignation to commit genocide with the world’s approval. They want the land and always have. They will do whatever it takes to expand Israel.
Well said. None of us can confirm anyone hiding weapons among civilians, since the evidence is vaporized. But it's clear that once the land is rid of its previous owners, it will all be annexed to create that exclusively "Jewish state" that the Khazarian Mafia has been salivating about. The West Bank inhabitants will be eliminated with similar deceptions.
Then, in the name of "greater Israel" it will be declared that "God gave them" everything from the UK to Kuwait.
Nothing "false" about the damage and death. You don't have the slightest shred of evidence to suggest any such thing. All you have is a huge dose of anti-Israel prejudice. But blame the victim has always been a tactic of scurrilous resort.
Why take a side here, when neither party has clean hands?
Hamas lobs rockets indiscriminately; IDF drops bombs indiscriminately.
Don't they"tap" the roof first to alert people to gtfo
I know you are not this stupid or naive. After the big, indiscriminate rocket attack on Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu declared War on HAMAS. He declared that he was going to wipe Gaza clean of HAMAS and told civilians to get out while they could. The military targets are also civilian (by design) and bombs don't recognize civilian vs. military. Unfortunate, but it is the reality of the conflict. I expect that all of Gaza will be turned into rubble and then the military following to kill or capture any survivors. That what Netanyahu meant when he declared WAR.
generally the izzies are broadcasting to the palis that they're going to bomb buildings and get out. the PA will tell people to not do it.
not to say that there aren't izzies who want civvies dead, but it looks like they're trying to blow up mil targets/bunkers/tunnels that are hidden in/under civvie buildings.
Because the cowards hide under the Civilian population then when action must be taken they parade the dead civilians out to pretend Israel is "Evil" when really They are Evil for cowering behind them using them as human shields...
This is the same human shield tactic being purveyed by the Ukrainians. They embed in civilian structures, get righteously attacked, and then drag out dead civilians as being the only victims.
You should ask why the IDF is using white phosphorus...
I'm pretty tired of Islamic terror apologetics from supposedly pro Jesus and pro America boards like this one.
Hamas are not white hats. Stop pretending they are anything other than barbarians with an ideology that is a millenia out of date.
Oh you really think any sane person is defending terrorism? I'm merely pointing out that Israel is not all sunshine and roses.
Gotta cover up for that mandatory / but we didn't force you vaccine death rate somehow...
Most of the videos of destroyed tower blocks are a few years old, as are quite a few photos. The atrocity pictures are from other wars, mostly the headless babies.
Both sides are shit. Stop defending either one. They both want us gone and yet OUR money is what is paying for it and has been. ALL of it needs to stop. 4-6% closer to 40-60% still.
Is it just me or does anybody else not give a flipping fuck about either Israel or Palestine? Whoever gets their fucking obnoxious supremacist asses handed to them is fine?
Am I being too short-sighted here? Should I root for one side or the other, like I'm rooting for Russia in the Ukraine? (It got its "the" back when it lowercased the R in Russia :) Open to input from the highest-IQ forum on the net.