Can confirm. Happened with our daughter. Switched doctors. Funny enough they'll still bill the parents.
So under 18, can't consent, but can consent to medical treatments, not old enough to be billed, so kid can't consent, parents don't consent, still get billed. Fuck these democrats
This is to establish precedent. If teenagers are given sovereignty over their own healthcare, the argument will be made that they ought to be treated as adults in other regards. First they'll be given voting rights (to bump up the number of Democrat votes), second so they'll be isolated from their families and easier to indoctrinate, and third to lower the age of consent. Once all that is normalized, it'll start all over again with 10-11 year olds.
This is all to normalize pedophilia. Once the 12 year old has consent rights the age will be lowered to 8 or 9 and eventually only the state will have any guardian rights over children. The official state religion will be luciferianism.
We can't just find a new doctor. We have to face this and fight it. Withdrawing is how we got into the mess we're in and now have battles on so many fronts.
You and I both. Howls. We are so similar. I remember one time I was in such pain and I was just in dire strait pain. I called the nurse line and they said, "Go to ER."
Guess what, pain just disappeared. I am more scared of them then my pain.
CarolinaCARE, ObamaCARE. The more they centralize control of our Medical by pushing everyone into state run programs the worse our medical “care” becomes. I feel sorry for the Doctors, they are caught in the middle.
There are fewer independent doctors and with Obamacare, even the independent doctors are controlled. The stranglehold on the profession is limiting treatment options and limiting patients choices. Obamacare has to be unraveled. Doctors must be able to evaluate and treat individual patients, not follow bureaucratic rules that, as we saw with Covid, can be very very bad for patients. And they should not be threatened with getting their license pulled if they think outside the box or question treatment protocols (again think Covid).
I feel sorry for the HEALERS whose mission is to heal. They have to go through lots of hoops of this corrupted shit-system.
But the 'doctors', i.e. drug pushers? I also feel sorry for them, but in a different way. They willingly chose the path of evil. They will reap the consequences.
They have to operate within the very controlled system. They have to follow “protocols”, they are indoctrinated in med school, they are threatened with losing their license if they go outside the “protocol” or question. Even the good doctors are in a difficult situation. My doctors seem more and more stressed and I don’t want stressed doctors. I don’t want the medical profession to be so horrendous that talented people shy away from medicine. We need good doctors and a return to patient centered, not government run, healthcare.
My doctor is a holistic biofeedback doc. He takes cash only. Very reasonable and I would go there instead of any kind of allopathic. Many are turning to what they termed concierge medicine.
Definitely look for that. They have a machine and could put a band on your forehead and read your whole body. They don't need to use a invasive procedure to tell if you have polyps or tumors inside the body. Good machine but need a seasoned doc to read it correctly.
If a 12 year old can consent to medical treatment without parental knowledge or approval, then they can also go to war, drink alcohol, have sex, pay a mortgage, drive a car and enjoy every other liberty an adult has.
Nurse tried to get me to sign vax refusal form. I said "oh I don't feeel comfortable signing that at this moment" she backed off. We took them for sports physical checkup needed to play sports. But also, if you're kid hasn't been to any doc in like 5 or 10 years and they break an arm then the Eroom doc might cps your ass for not taking you're kid, ever.
Can confirm. Happened with our daughter. Switched doctors. Funny enough they'll still bill the parents.
So under 18, can't consent, but can consent to medical treatments, not old enough to be billed, so kid can't consent, parents don't consent, still get billed. Fuck these democrats
I would fight the patents paying part- The parent DID NOT sign or CONSENT to their mo ey being spent ergo- collection agency can fuck right off
Better get them out of school. They are actually indoctrination or I called it brainwashing camps.
This is to establish precedent. If teenagers are given sovereignty over their own healthcare, the argument will be made that they ought to be treated as adults in other regards. First they'll be given voting rights (to bump up the number of Democrat votes), second so they'll be isolated from their families and easier to indoctrinate, and third to lower the age of consent. Once all that is normalized, it'll start all over again with 10-11 year olds.
This is all to normalize pedophilia. Once the 12 year old has consent rights the age will be lowered to 8 or 9 and eventually only the state will have any guardian rights over children. The official state religion will be luciferianism.
Check, check and check.
Deep State seems to be lowering the age of consent so they can legally screw kids.
You got it. Did you see the laws in CA about adults having sex with kids is not criminal if the kids consent?
But 12-17 year olds' med bills still sent to the parents?
yea. If my doctor said you can't be in here I would tell them straight up(if I would leave my kids) that I will not be paying for shit.
Oh I agree we would never do that
Not sure. Lien on their paycheck for life.
WTF. All the more reason to not go to one, period. This will cause a new boycott. Avoid those that do this.
I would.
I would change doctors. Any doctor that agrees with this doesn’t care about you or your child.
Course not. Still wondering about the bills though.
We can't just find a new doctor. We have to face this and fight it. Withdrawing is how we got into the mess we're in and now have battles on so many fronts.
I would withdraw them from school. That's where the trouble starts.
Yes, you can.
I agree. I don't even bring my dogs for annual check up.
You and I both. Howls. We are so similar. I remember one time I was in such pain and I was just in dire strait pain. I called the nurse line and they said, "Go to ER."
Guess what, pain just disappeared. I am more scared of them then my pain.
I suppose this law is necessary to give children the medical freedom to purchase tattoos and cigarettes.
Marijuana and also condoms and other stuffs. God only know what now.
CarolinaCARE, ObamaCARE. The more they centralize control of our Medical by pushing everyone into state run programs the worse our medical “care” becomes. I feel sorry for the Doctors, they are caught in the middle.
Feeling sorry for the doctors? They are the ones prescribing the meds.
There are fewer independent doctors and with Obamacare, even the independent doctors are controlled. The stranglehold on the profession is limiting treatment options and limiting patients choices. Obamacare has to be unraveled. Doctors must be able to evaluate and treat individual patients, not follow bureaucratic rules that, as we saw with Covid, can be very very bad for patients. And they should not be threatened with getting their license pulled if they think outside the box or question treatment protocols (again think Covid).
I feel sorry for the HEALERS whose mission is to heal. They have to go through lots of hoops of this corrupted shit-system.
But the 'doctors', i.e. drug pushers? I also feel sorry for them, but in a different way. They willingly chose the path of evil. They will reap the consequences.
They have to operate within the very controlled system. They have to follow “protocols”, they are indoctrinated in med school, they are threatened with losing their license if they go outside the “protocol” or question. Even the good doctors are in a difficult situation. My doctors seem more and more stressed and I don’t want stressed doctors. I don’t want the medical profession to be so horrendous that talented people shy away from medicine. We need good doctors and a return to patient centered, not government run, healthcare.
Look into concierge medicine or independent. I know of quite a few independent when I was in WA.
My doctor is a holistic biofeedback doc. He takes cash only. Very reasonable and I would go there instead of any kind of allopathic. Many are turning to what they termed concierge medicine.
Nice, thank you, I will look into holistic biofeedback docs near me.
Definitely look for that. They have a machine and could put a band on your forehead and read your whole body. They don't need to use a invasive procedure to tell if you have polyps or tumors inside the body. Good machine but need a seasoned doc to read it correctly.
Burn the whole system down and start again
I agree.
Gotcha.
My daughter is 21 and my wife still goes to the doctor with her.
Good for your wife. The trouble is when they take them from school to the doctors.
Yes, because twelve -year-olds are mature adults with fully formed brains. Sounds about right.
They are just all demons.
If a 12 year old can consent to medical treatment without parental knowledge or approval, then they can also go to war, drink alcohol, have sex, pay a mortgage, drive a car and enjoy every other liberty an adult has.
Exactly!
Nurse tried to get me to sign vax refusal form. I said "oh I don't feeel comfortable signing that at this moment" she backed off. We took them for sports physical checkup needed to play sports. But also, if you're kid hasn't been to any doc in like 5 or 10 years and they break an arm then the Eroom doc might cps your ass for not taking you're kid, ever.
Like I said, I go to holistic doctors. Can't blame me for not taking kids there including dogs. LOL
I understand what you are saying about school, sport teams...etc.
find a new fucking doctor. while maybe legal the doctor should know better
Better take the kids out and homeschool. Have you heard about school taking them to doctors you wouldn't know? I have.
My kids would lose their shit and be on the phone in 2 seconds. They are not doing that at my school yet
It only takes one time, one bully, one child abuser, one groomer...
Someone sue them. It's time.
So the kids are going to pay for their care now?
Of course, they will start to put a lien on their paycheck from the time they start working with interest.
This is nothing new, laws like this have been in effect since the 70's.