I appreciate the prayer! I do not fear the future and know that it’s because frenz like you praying for me and my colleagues facing the battle daily. I never thought it would be at my front door but here we are. I am strong and will never back down. Thank you and God bless
I faced a similar situation at the onset of the vax push. I knew a requirement was in the pipeline so I just sent out resumes. Turns out I found a much better job. Keep your faith, God has your back wherever you go.
Don't give up and document EVERYTHING! The longer your paper trail (paper copies of company emails for discovery later), the more chances they realize they are on the losing side if this goes to court. Lawyers prefer to NOT respond to you than further expose the company to possible litigation with evidence of a conversation on the topic. 👈 IMPORTANT TACTIC
I pushed back on my extremely large multi-billion $$$$ employer (who is also in the health industry) and all they shot back were empty threats of "disciplinary action" that never came.
I asked for proof of effectiveness and a guaranteed compensation in the event I was injured by the shots and couldn't work anymore. HR said they passed my questions and comments up to legal and then on to the resident medical experts.
They NEVER responded even after I poked the bear asking for answers months later.
My cousin is an RN and he got an exemption for both medical and religious reasons through his hospital. So there is hope.
When you do what’s right somehow the consequences usually work out in your favor. A better job will probably come your way. One you didn’t know existed is being prepared as I type. I am proud of you and your stance.
PS I know a PA who found a better job in alternative health after refusing to be jabbed.
Thanks for the reply. It’s always harder to do the right thing too. I’m usually not a non-conformist but the last 3+ years I’ve seen things happen in medicine I thought I’d never see. They don’t care about me. They just want conformity. And if you don’t, they come after you. I will make it. I have the support of my husband and family behind me. It is on like Donkey Kong.
There have been many studies that the masks do harm. You would have to find a lawyer and take them to court. Probably costly for you to start on.
Taking documentation to them should be done. Just so if you wanted to move forward with a case; it would show that you had presented valid research.
This really is not about health, it is about keeping the power to decide what happens in the hands of the health authority. That alone should be a cause/case a lawyer should want to take on.
Thank you for your reply. I think that lawyers, just like doctors, are uncomfortable with this topic. Fear is real and very palpable when it comes up. I’d definitely have to go outside of my area to get anyone to go against our system. It’s not out of the realm of possibility and I’m keeping all options open. Power to the people NOT our healthcare corporations.
My favorite saying from the Bible. Thru God all things are possible. I know it to be true. Thank you for the reply, it’s a message thru Him that resonates with my soul. Take care and God bless you.
Can I ask what state you are in ? I’m in Cali , I didn’t know they were forcing masks on medical personal , last time I walked into hospital , MRI only a half or so were wearing them . What the hell , there are states worse then mine .. NY perhaps .. this is terrible , however, I stand 100 percent with the other comments. God already has a better position waiting for you . Take a break and Collect unemployment, while u can , as u will be back at a job sooner then u reslize
I’m in SC. No mask mandates for anyone other than no flu shot employees. I don’t even have patient care anymore. I work in a cubicle on the phone all day!! Thank you for your kind words. They are much appreciated.
I work from home permanently for 15 years for different companies but currently a large HC institution, coding medical records. During covid mandates, they tried to force me to get one even though I am at home. I only received an exemption because I got one for the flu shot years earlier and had to keep applying each year, stupid, as I just sent the same paperwork. This year they decided not to mandate the flu shot for permanent home workers, thank goodness. I would never have made it on site wearing a useless mask 8 hours a day for 3 years during the covid nonsense, nope.
Assuming you are in the USA, a requirement for you to wear a mask when no one else is in a healthcare environment is a prima facie violation of your HIPAA data.
I would also say that this is clearly medical discrimination.
If you haven’t already, forward every bit of email documentation and voicemails to something under your personal control. The current environment may not be ripe for litigation but that will change in the future. And you will find a better opportunity.
I worked for personal injury attorneys before I became a nurse. I am a master at documentation. Thanks for the reply. I know God has got me and as long as I stay true to myself it will all work out.
Be glad for being fired. Hostile environment not good for you!! Plus juicy lawsuit and don't back down. Place ad seeking employment in VAXX FREE ZONE or do private-pay home health. I did that for 22 years. Will not work where covid scamdemic is being played. You'll be surprised how many people and places want non-woke associates. You'll get by while your lawsuit is being won. Settlement. Yay! They do deserve to be sued. Coercion is criminal.
Thank you for your reply! I’m documenting everything, I worked for personal injury attorneys in another state in my former life (before nursing) Documentation is everything. 😉
That means the world to me. Thank you!!! God has got me. I do not fear the future. Thanks for the kind words. Keep the prayers coming. I’ve often had Michigan in mine just FYI. I know some great people in and from that state.
I would ask the hospital if they follow "evidence based medicine." They will either say yes, or they will be evasive and not want to answer that question.
I would then demand evidence of any scientific study PROVING that face masks are effective against Covid (impossible to do, since face masks will never be able to protect against a fake scam -- it would be easier to find a unicorn to measure its horn).
Best to make this demand in writing, including a copy via email -- before the "hearing" or whatever administrative thing they are doing to make the decision.
I would also give them a copy of this study, which is published on PubMed stating that wearing a face mask reduces respiration rate and oxygen levels in the blood:
Wearing the N95 mask resulted in reduced respiration rate and oxygen saturation by pulse oximetry (Spo2) within 1 hour, with elevated heart rate (mean change, 3.8 beats/min [95% CI, 2.6-5.1 beats/min]) 2 hours later until mask off
I would also include this study, published in JAMA:
Wearing an N95 face mask over a long period of time can cause cardiopulmonary stresses, such as reduced respiration and elevated heart rate, a new study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association shows.
“The findings contribute to existing literature by demonstrating that wearing the N95 mask for 14 hours significantly affected the physiological, biochemical, and perception parameters,” the researchers wrote.
"So, I have provided two studies that show that wearing a face mask for a prolonged period of time is harmful to my health, and also have shown the #1 medical expert in the UK government stating that there is NO EVIDENCE that wearing a face mask is in any way helpful regarding the prevention of spreading illness or pathogens to others.
"Where are your studies showing that there is ANY proven benefit to wearing a face mask? If you claim to be setting your policies in accordance with "evidence based medicine," but you instead REJECT any evidence that is contrary to your peronal preferences, then this hospital is egaging in FRAUD, which means your policies are not lawful."
"I love this hospital and I love my job. I will not quit. If you fire me over non-evidence based quackery, then I will be forced to take the appropriate legal action to defend my rights."
Something along those lines, depending on how harsh you want to be. The point is: THEY have ZERO evidence on their side. ALL of the evidence is on your side, which means they are engaging in fraud. Fraud carries triple damages in a lawsuit, btw, so make sure the attorney goes for triple damages -- how ever many years of lost income, plus pain and suffering, times 3, plus punative damages on top of that. Could be a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
They ARE acting in bad faith, whether they realize it or not.
Also, if they do fire you, the first thing I would do is send this letter to the CEO and legal department of HQ, not necessarily your specific hospital (if it is a larger operation). I would demand reinstatement with back pay and bonus, or see you in court.
If they think you have the goods, even if they are baffled by the info you present to them (the CDC never told them about any of this), then they might make an exception for you rather than open this potential can of worms.
If not, find an attorney who will do a contingency, if you can. Or, handle it yourself if you can't find one.
DOCUMENT EVERYTHIG!!! print that shit out before you're fired if you have to do it there. The lawsuit will be in your favor with documentation. And if you get to sleep in on Thurs.....enjoy! God's speed fren!! The world needs non-wussy nurses like you
N95 are not for medical purposes. These were designed to protect against particulate matter....designed specifically for protecting against coal dust. These are great in your wood shop but are not capable of screening out a virus.
You’re singing to the choir. My question is why aren’t more of my colleagues standing up? I can’t believe I’m the only one who WANTS to. It takes guts to stand your ground. I’m not one to push back as a general rule in my life. Never have been. I have to admit it was scary being called into the carpet and defending myself. However I’ve never been one to be forced to do something even if I wanted to. Hell would freeze over before you’d get me to do it, so I’m tapping into that and running with it! Thanks for the info and for the reply.
Holy Father, whatever happens to nurse Kimmie, please keep her strong, serene and aware of Your Love for her.🙏🏻💐
AMEN. Serve those who serve you, Lord, and strengthen them to stand up for what is right.
AMEN
I appreciate the prayer! I do not fear the future and know that it’s because frenz like you praying for me and my colleagues facing the battle daily. I never thought it would be at my front door but here we are. I am strong and will never back down. Thank you and God bless
I faced a similar situation at the onset of the vax push. I knew a requirement was in the pipeline so I just sent out resumes. Turns out I found a much better job. Keep your faith, God has your back wherever you go.
Thank you! Goodies have a plan and I fear not my future. Good for you! That’s great and I’m happy you found work elsewhere.
Don't give up and document EVERYTHING! The longer your paper trail (paper copies of company emails for discovery later), the more chances they realize they are on the losing side if this goes to court. Lawyers prefer to NOT respond to you than further expose the company to possible litigation with evidence of a conversation on the topic. 👈 IMPORTANT TACTIC
I pushed back on my extremely large multi-billion $$$$ employer (who is also in the health industry) and all they shot back were empty threats of "disciplinary action" that never came.
I asked for proof of effectiveness and a guaranteed compensation in the event I was injured by the shots and couldn't work anymore. HR said they passed my questions and comments up to legal and then on to the resident medical experts.
They NEVER responded even after I poked the bear asking for answers months later.
My cousin is an RN and he got an exemption for both medical and religious reasons through his hospital. So there is hope.
God Bless and good luck!
When you do what’s right somehow the consequences usually work out in your favor. A better job will probably come your way. One you didn’t know existed is being prepared as I type. I am proud of you and your stance.
PS I know a PA who found a better job in alternative health after refusing to be jabbed.
Thanks for the reply. It’s always harder to do the right thing too. I’m usually not a non-conformist but the last 3+ years I’ve seen things happen in medicine I thought I’d never see. They don’t care about me. They just want conformity. And if you don’t, they come after you. I will make it. I have the support of my husband and family behind me. It is on like Donkey Kong.
There have been many studies that the masks do harm. You would have to find a lawyer and take them to court. Probably costly for you to start on.
Taking documentation to them should be done. Just so if you wanted to move forward with a case; it would show that you had presented valid research.
This really is not about health, it is about keeping the power to decide what happens in the hands of the health authority. That alone should be a cause/case a lawyer should want to take on.
Thank you for your reply. I think that lawyers, just like doctors, are uncomfortable with this topic. Fear is real and very palpable when it comes up. I’d definitely have to go outside of my area to get anyone to go against our system. It’s not out of the realm of possibility and I’m keeping all options open. Power to the people NOT our healthcare corporations.
Object, keep all communications with them. You may be able to sue.
Documentation is my specialty. 😉
I worked for personal injury attorneys in NC long before I became a nurse. Never did I ever forget how documentation is key. 😉
Are you in NC? Which hospital system is doing this to you?
I’m in SC.
Ah, gotcha. I just moved to NC 2 years ago after decades in DC. We left because .gov was going to force me to get vaxxed. Was time to leave.
the medical mafia has no scruples. conform or be cast out.
No truer words have been spoken fren.
Thomas Renz, attorney in Nevada devoting his entire practice to fighting this COVID bullshit. Contact him.
Thanks for the info! I’ll do some digging.
I never really looked at it like that but you are right.
anything is possible with God
My favorite saying from the Bible. Thru God all things are possible. I know it to be true. Thank you for the reply, it’s a message thru Him that resonates with my soul. Take care and God bless you.
miracles are on the menu, fren. have faith and gratitude, be humble and sincere. pray.
Can I ask what state you are in ? I’m in Cali , I didn’t know they were forcing masks on medical personal , last time I walked into hospital , MRI only a half or so were wearing them . What the hell , there are states worse then mine .. NY perhaps .. this is terrible , however, I stand 100 percent with the other comments. God already has a better position waiting for you . Take a break and Collect unemployment, while u can , as u will be back at a job sooner then u reslize
I’m in SC. No mask mandates for anyone other than no flu shot employees. I don’t even have patient care anymore. I work in a cubicle on the phone all day!! Thank you for your kind words. They are much appreciated.
I work from home permanently for 15 years for different companies but currently a large HC institution, coding medical records. During covid mandates, they tried to force me to get one even though I am at home. I only received an exemption because I got one for the flu shot years earlier and had to keep applying each year, stupid, as I just sent the same paperwork. This year they decided not to mandate the flu shot for permanent home workers, thank goodness. I would never have made it on site wearing a useless mask 8 hours a day for 3 years during the covid nonsense, nope.
Workin from home is great! Would find something doing that. God has a plan for me. I fear not the future. Thank you for sharing and take care.
Assuming you are in the USA, a requirement for you to wear a mask when no one else is in a healthcare environment is a prima facie violation of your HIPAA data.
I would also say that this is clearly medical discrimination.
If you haven’t already, forward every bit of email documentation and voicemails to something under your personal control. The current environment may not be ripe for litigation but that will change in the future. And you will find a better opportunity.
I worked for personal injury attorneys before I became a nurse. I am a master at documentation. Thanks for the reply. I know God has got me and as long as I stay true to myself it will all work out.
Be glad for being fired. Hostile environment not good for you!! Plus juicy lawsuit and don't back down. Place ad seeking employment in VAXX FREE ZONE or do private-pay home health. I did that for 22 years. Will not work where covid scamdemic is being played. You'll be surprised how many people and places want non-woke associates. You'll get by while your lawsuit is being won. Settlement. Yay! They do deserve to be sued. Coercion is criminal.
Thank you for your reply! I’m documenting everything, I worked for personal injury attorneys in another state in my former life (before nursing) Documentation is everything. 😉
You're fighting the good fight! Keep going. We're all praying for you.
That means the world to me. Thank you!!! God has got me. I do not fear the future. Thanks for the kind words. Keep the prayers coming. I’ve often had Michigan in mine just FYI. I know some great people in and from that state.
o7 I salute you u/NurseKimmie !!
Thank you! Very much appreciated.
Just a few days ago, the UK's top medical "expert" stated the following in a government hearing:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12804565/No-proof-face-masks-worked-against-Covid-UKHSA-boss.html
I would ask the hospital if they follow "evidence based medicine." They will either say yes, or they will be evasive and not want to answer that question.
I would then demand evidence of any scientific study PROVING that face masks are effective against Covid (impossible to do, since face masks will never be able to protect against a fake scam -- it would be easier to find a unicorn to measure its horn).
Best to make this demand in writing, including a copy via email -- before the "hearing" or whatever administrative thing they are doing to make the decision.
I would also give them a copy of this study, which is published on PubMed stating that wearing a face mask reduces respiration rate and oxygen levels in the blood:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2805809
I would also include this study, published in JAMA:
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/study-wearing-n95-mask-over-long-period-can-cause-cardiopulmonary-stress
I would summarize by stating:
"So, I have provided two studies that show that wearing a face mask for a prolonged period of time is harmful to my health, and also have shown the #1 medical expert in the UK government stating that there is NO EVIDENCE that wearing a face mask is in any way helpful regarding the prevention of spreading illness or pathogens to others.
"Where are your studies showing that there is ANY proven benefit to wearing a face mask? If you claim to be setting your policies in accordance with "evidence based medicine," but you instead REJECT any evidence that is contrary to your peronal preferences, then this hospital is egaging in FRAUD, which means your policies are not lawful."
"I love this hospital and I love my job. I will not quit. If you fire me over non-evidence based quackery, then I will be forced to take the appropriate legal action to defend my rights."
Something along those lines, depending on how harsh you want to be. The point is: THEY have ZERO evidence on their side. ALL of the evidence is on your side, which means they are engaging in fraud. Fraud carries triple damages in a lawsuit, btw, so make sure the attorney goes for triple damages -- how ever many years of lost income, plus pain and suffering, times 3, plus punative damages on top of that. Could be a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
They ARE acting in bad faith, whether they realize it or not.
Also, if they do fire you, the first thing I would do is send this letter to the CEO and legal department of HQ, not necessarily your specific hospital (if it is a larger operation). I would demand reinstatement with back pay and bonus, or see you in court.
If they think you have the goods, even if they are baffled by the info you present to them (the CDC never told them about any of this), then they might make an exception for you rather than open this potential can of worms.
If not, find an attorney who will do a contingency, if you can. Or, handle it yourself if you can't find one.
Welcome to the millionaires club!
Ha! Won’t that be great!?!
We are with you. Continue to fight the good fight!
DOCUMENT EVERYTHIG!!! print that shit out before you're fired if you have to do it there. The lawsuit will be in your favor with documentation. And if you get to sleep in on Thurs.....enjoy! God's speed fren!! The world needs non-wussy nurses like you
They need you more than you need them.
They can't replace you as quickly as you can find a new job with higher pay.
They will cave. If they don't, it will be ok.
Covid 19 particulate size = 0.125 um
N95 mask will block down to 0.3 um
95 % of 0.3 um particulate
N95 mask are for medical, most commoners dont get these
N95 are not for medical purposes. These were designed to protect against particulate matter....designed specifically for protecting against coal dust. These are great in your wood shop but are not capable of screening out a virus.
You’re singing to the choir. My question is why aren’t more of my colleagues standing up? I can’t believe I’m the only one who WANTS to. It takes guts to stand your ground. I’m not one to push back as a general rule in my life. Never have been. I have to admit it was scary being called into the carpet and defending myself. However I’ve never been one to be forced to do something even if I wanted to. Hell would freeze over before you’d get me to do it, so I’m tapping into that and running with it! Thanks for the info and for the reply.