I’ve noticed we’ve gone from the harsh aggressive dictator presentation to the loving kind benevolent sounding dictatorship. How can you charge people for a crime that wasn’t a crime years ago? Aren’t ex post facto laws null and void? Canada can basically retroactively make anything illegal, search every database and arrest people for saying mean things?
It will fail at the Supreme Court. The point of this is to drag people out in front of public mobs and to out opposing politicians in the time between now and the next election. People will be ruined by this in the years it takes for this to get in front of our highest court for a ruling.
The upside is we might get some competent but disgraced politicians and highly functional individuals with no place but the People's Party. If they go hog wild with this, it they'll end up legitimizing and giving a platform to exactly what they're trying to remove.
Look at the bright side - maybe they will make third-world immigration illegal in the future and then they can deport all the third-worlders who came rushing in while Trudeau was president
This is a shining example of what happens when you allow them to take your guns. They end up taking your speech right after. Fidel's son, Justin, knows this.
They haven't actually got that program up and running. They were dumb enough to want the firearms to go through our postal service in marked boxes and Canada Post refused, saying that this will make mail sorting facilities into targets for attackers. Private companies also want nothing to do with marked boxes for the same reasons.
I’m beginning to think Canadas future is ultimately either Balkanization or annexation. And I think some of the Provincial Premiers are reaching a similar conclusion. Or at the very least are making contingencies for those potential futures. Given some of them have been meeting with U.S Officials and Congressmen independent of the formal Canadian Government.
Which in of itself wouldn’t necessarily be strange. Given our geographic proximity and by necessity close diplomatic relations. But I don’t recall them ever actually publishing what they talked about. And those meetings are coming on the heels of increasingly tyrannical actions being passed by the central Canadian government. And growing discontent among the Civilian population.
Perhaps the Premiers are planning on a potential worst case scenario?
Uranium One was owned by Canada for awhile. Five Eyes includes Canada. The MKUltra program Q highlighted, Dr. Ewen Cameron's experiments, took place in Lincoln Park Canada.
I don't see Canada splintering given its current role. I expect it to be fully co-opted by patriots, just as America is. There are comms to suggest that things will get all the more ridiculous, on purpose, to wake normies up "We are watching a movie". This law would appear engineered to piss off a populace that lives their life digitally.
cannot wait for the pendulum to swing back to the right, and give the right the same access to jailing their political enemies. truedopes smug face will look great in a mugshot.
True, but digital archives and domain ownership records would make the defense easy. The witch hunt and defamation is another matter.
This is more setting a drag net for when AI analysis can fingerprint writing and content styles across multiple sites and get people retroactively. It also allows for McCarthy inspired attacks by progressives against whomever they please. The public will tar and eject people before they're cleared by an admission of inaccuracy.
Canada has a constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws, which are laws that apply to past actions or events in a way that is unfavorable to the accused. This prohibition is enshrined in section 11(g) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which states that “a person cannot be convicted of an offence if the act or omission did not constitute an offence at the time it was committed.”
So, I assume it will be found unConstitutional in their courts?
It's Canada, you can defeat them just by changing your name from Robbie to Rosie and when they come to arrest you launch into a tirade of accusations of them being transphobic and daring to dead name you. Dead naming probably carries the death penalty there, so the Police will have to let you go.
Canadians do not have inalienable rights. If it violates our constitution, our government can invoke the Notwithstanding Clause and ignore our courts for years while still requiring law enforcement to go about their work. The courts are bound and have to behave as though there is no precedent during the Notwithstanding period.
Notwithstanding will then expire, courts will rule according to their conscience and people will appeal their sentencing and penalties. I'm not sure if you can sue for damages, but they could also invoke Notwithstanding on that and just run the clock.
Canada is a Monarch Commonwealth and the royal family has already made it known they're onboard with this for their territories, so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone living in one.
Most of the Bill is about dragging pedophiles into the light. Part 3 is what we should care about.
Hilariously, it includes calls to detest or vilify of groups as defined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. White people & Christians are such groups. Humiliating and offending groups is fine.
It has an escape clause if you can't delete or block access to the hate speech, so the chans should be exempt but this could result in chans being blocked in Canada because of the largesse of the fines involved.
If you have old content that predate the bill, people can complain about it and seek damages. This does not apply to things you cannot delete or block.
The complainant's identity can be withheld or shared at the commission's whim, but it looks like you can just state, in writing, that you feel threatened and they'll have to conceal it.
They can toss complaints if they feel they aren't warranted, so White people & Christians are back on the menu. They do have to give you a hearing for your complaint if they decide to toss it. They can just decide that it isn't hate speech and deny the hearing at their discretion.
There is an ombudsman that should be contacted at this point.
You can be ordered to pay 20,000 to the complainant and 50,000 more to the government. Plus damages for harm like if they got attacked or I guess if they say they're traumatized.
This is going to be abused, but I hope that all sides inundate this commission with complaints so that it is wiped out. Specifically people whose churches were burned down should take it upon themselves to find people inciting these these things and they should complain. It will grind this commission to a halt and generate bad press for Trudeau and Singh when the uneven treatment is front and center.
dear Donald, please invade
It's not an invasion if you're welcomed in with a parade and balloons.
Had your chance the first Revolution ....this Second chance may be the last. Choose Wisely , this time. Or God save the Queen-Kings.
Mr Trudeau is a chip off the old block.
I’ve noticed we’ve gone from the harsh aggressive dictator presentation to the loving kind benevolent sounding dictatorship. How can you charge people for a crime that wasn’t a crime years ago? Aren’t ex post facto laws null and void? Canada can basically retroactively make anything illegal, search every database and arrest people for saying mean things?
Well I think the first thing the Horse Gestapo should do is arrest Dear Leader for all the racist, hateful Blackface images there are of him.
It will fail at the Supreme Court. The point of this is to drag people out in front of public mobs and to out opposing politicians in the time between now and the next election. People will be ruined by this in the years it takes for this to get in front of our highest court for a ruling.
The upside is we might get some competent but disgraced politicians and highly functional individuals with no place but the People's Party. If they go hog wild with this, it they'll end up legitimizing and giving a platform to exactly what they're trying to remove.
Look at the bright side - maybe they will make third-world immigration illegal in the future and then they can deport all the third-worlders who came rushing in while Trudeau was president
This is a shining example of what happens when you allow them to take your guns. They end up taking your speech right after. Fidel's son, Justin, knows this.
They haven't actually got that program up and running. They were dumb enough to want the firearms to go through our postal service in marked boxes and Canada Post refused, saying that this will make mail sorting facilities into targets for attackers. Private companies also want nothing to do with marked boxes for the same reasons.
I still have my guns though. Not sure where you heard that. lol
Their buyback program last I read brought in zero guns, but they still spent the money on it.
The real question is where that money actually went.
I’m beginning to think Canadas future is ultimately either Balkanization or annexation. And I think some of the Provincial Premiers are reaching a similar conclusion. Or at the very least are making contingencies for those potential futures. Given some of them have been meeting with U.S Officials and Congressmen independent of the formal Canadian Government.
Which in of itself wouldn’t necessarily be strange. Given our geographic proximity and by necessity close diplomatic relations. But I don’t recall them ever actually publishing what they talked about. And those meetings are coming on the heels of increasingly tyrannical actions being passed by the central Canadian government. And growing discontent among the Civilian population.
Perhaps the Premiers are planning on a potential worst case scenario?
Uranium One was owned by Canada for awhile. Five Eyes includes Canada. The MKUltra program Q highlighted, Dr. Ewen Cameron's experiments, took place in Lincoln Park Canada.
I don't see Canada splintering given its current role. I expect it to be fully co-opted by patriots, just as America is. There are comms to suggest that things will get all the more ridiculous, on purpose, to wake normies up "We are watching a movie". This law would appear engineered to piss off a populace that lives their life digitally.
The Revolution can't come soon enough.
This bill is better known as the Stop Jeremy MacKenzie bill as it was specifically written to target right wing podcasters.
https://dove-herring-wfpt.squarespace.com/
See: HateGate
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJl3nRrULiU
They can’t lock them all up…they need to blast the Internet with how this guy is a cunt douche bag.
If I may quote my wife, "That's not law. That's fascism."
Ole blackface Castro, at it again...
Where are the Canadian people? The honkening was the best thing to happen this side of the pond throughout covid.
cannot wait for the pendulum to swing back to the right, and give the right the same access to jailing their political enemies. truedopes smug face will look great in a mugshot.
Let's start with him, then!
Do it, Canada needs pushed to the precipice
somebody can create your persona and date the blog back in time and set you up.
True, but digital archives and domain ownership records would make the defense easy. The witch hunt and defamation is another matter.
This is more setting a drag net for when AI analysis can fingerprint writing and content styles across multiple sites and get people retroactively. It also allows for McCarthy inspired attacks by progressives against whomever they please. The public will tar and eject people before they're cleared by an admission of inaccuracy.
ya, media and social media would be prosecutor, judge and executioner all at once
Brave AI says about ex post facto laws in Canada:
So, I assume it will be found unConstitutional in their courts?
It's Canada, you can defeat them just by changing your name from Robbie to Rosie and when they come to arrest you launch into a tirade of accusations of them being transphobic and daring to dead name you. Dead naming probably carries the death penalty there, so the Police will have to let you go.
Castrudeau is looking a lot like his dad these days.
Close but no cigar.
I don’t know about Canada, but this is unconstitutional in the US.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto
Not sure I found the right thing as I’m an American, but it looks to be the same in Canada.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art11g.html
Granted, they can put their law into effect, imprison people, until it is overturned in a high court.
Canadians do not have inalienable rights. If it violates our constitution, our government can invoke the Notwithstanding Clause and ignore our courts for years while still requiring law enforcement to go about their work. The courts are bound and have to behave as though there is no precedent during the Notwithstanding period.
Notwithstanding will then expire, courts will rule according to their conscience and people will appeal their sentencing and penalties. I'm not sure if you can sue for damages, but they could also invoke Notwithstanding on that and just run the clock.
Just look at that...Communist.
Pre-pre-crime. So woke!
Canada is a Monarch Commonwealth and the royal family has already made it known they're onboard with this for their territories, so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone living in one.
https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1787852468828643457
2+2=🐴
Most of the Bill is about dragging pedophiles into the light. Part 3 is what we should care about.
Hilariously, it includes calls to detest or vilify of groups as defined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. White people & Christians are such groups. Humiliating and offending groups is fine.
It has an escape clause if you can't delete or block access to the hate speech, so the chans should be exempt but this could result in chans being blocked in Canada because of the largesse of the fines involved.
If you have old content that predate the bill, people can complain about it and seek damages. This does not apply to things you cannot delete or block.
The complainant's identity can be withheld or shared at the commission's whim, but it looks like you can just state, in writing, that you feel threatened and they'll have to conceal it.
They can toss complaints if they feel they aren't warranted, so White people & Christians are back on the menu. They do have to give you a hearing for your complaint if they decide to toss it. They can just decide that it isn't hate speech and deny the hearing at their discretion.
There is an ombudsman that should be contacted at this point.
You can be ordered to pay 20,000 to the complainant and 50,000 more to the government. Plus damages for harm like if they got attacked or I guess if they say they're traumatized.
This is going to be abused, but I hope that all sides inundate this commission with complaints so that it is wiped out. Specifically people whose churches were burned down should take it upon themselves to find people inciting these these things and they should complain. It will grind this commission to a halt and generate bad press for Trudeau and Singh when the uneven treatment is front and center.
Wait! What's the sauce for this. Not that I don't think commie Canada would do it, just before we say it I want to see the proof.
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-reading
Where is the statement that says they can retroactively prosecute?