this meme is awesome.. Israel has been calling on the US to 'urgently' bomb Iran for 30 years now... The fact that Iran has NOT been a threat is fairly apparent and also the fact that Israel's intelligence was wrong is also apparent.
This 3000 year war should exclude the US. BY LAW (The separation of church and state) because it is Nothing but a religious war and the insanity of radical jews and muslims. They both base their lives on Hate.
Mike Johnson said we must support Israel because the Bible says "God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse israel" . Well we have been blessing Israel for 75 years now. Have we received blessings? No we have not. We have been supporting those who claim to be Jewish but are not. They are the synagogue of Satan. We are cursed wen we support the enemies of God. Christians are God's chosen people, yet where is their honor?
Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. I used to be one for over 20 years. The doctrine he adheres to was introduced to Chrisitians with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible. This "Christian" reference Bible was bankrolled by a group of NY Jews.
And of course you are 100% correct when you ask where are the blessings upon the US. Faith in Christ, then, is what makes a person a member of the Israel of God, not mere ethnic descent. Paul confirms this elsewhere in Galatians 6:16, where he calls the Galatian church—made up predominantly of gentiles who believed in Jesus—as “the Israel of God.” The true Israel of God, then, consists of Christ and all the Jews and gentiles who believe in Him.
Dispensationalism is simply a theological framework that sees God's redemptive plan unfolding in distinct periods or "dispensations." While the formal system we know today was developed in the 19th century, some of its core ideas actually have roots in early Christian thought.
The doctrine he adheres to was introduced to Chrisitians with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible.
The early church recognized different periods in God's plan. For example, they distinguished between the Mosaic Law and the New Covenant through Christ (Hebrews 8:6-13). Paul also spoke of "times" and "epochs" in God's plan (Acts 17:30, Ephesians 1:10), which hints at the dispensational view of different phases in redemptive history.
Early church fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus expected a future, literal reign of Christ on earth. This premillennial view is a key part of dispensational eschatology.
In the first century, the church wrestled with the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers. Paul addressed this issue often, maintaining distinct roles for Israel and the Church while affirming their unity in Christ (Romans 11, Ephesians 2:11-22). This aligns with dispensationalism's idea of distinct but interconnected roles for Israel and the Church.
This "Christian" reference Bible was bankrolled by a group of NY Jews.
This assertion is highly speculative and lacks credible historical evidence.
While dispensationalism as a formal system was popularized by the Scofield Study Bible in the 20th century, the basic concepts have been around since the early church. It's fascinating to see how early Christians already had an understanding of God's distinct phases in His redemptive plan, even if they didn't use the term "dispensationalism."
There is no "Jewish conspiracy" around the Scofield study Bible as you are insinuating.
You should move this topic to conspiracies.win to die.
This 👆👆👆. I believe that we, the true believers in Jesus, are Israel. Not the physical state of Israel. Satan is the master of illusion and this is a grand example.
Those galatians were israel in the flesh. The gentiles referred to in the epistles, Roman's, Hebrews were all the lost tribes. Israel in the flesh. I'm glad you woke up to dispensationalism and the cryus Schofield Bible. Both are products of the counter reformation.
The Bible actually does not even say that. The Bible says God said to Abraham I will bless those that bless you and I will curse those that curse you. The blessing was specifically for abraham. If it was for his descendants, then the Muslims would have received the same blessing.
Strangely enough, there is a Bible verse in the New Testament that says dear brothers and sisters of the church, God will persecute those that persecute you. It seems to be the same alleged promise from the Old Testament for israel, but in this there is no lack of clarity who the promise is for.
Yes Abraham had other sons besides Isaac. Ishmael comes to mind. Also Keturah was a wife and a concubine of the Biblical patriarch Abraham. According to the Book of Genesis, Abraham married Keturah after the death of his first wife, Sarah. Abraham and Keturah had six sons.
I think Galatians 3:28-29 says it all: Galatians 3:28-29 (KJV) - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing.
Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring.
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—
since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
And now ask yourself: who were the persecutors here in 2 Thess 1? From Acts 17:5, 13, and from 1 Thessalonians 2:14, we learn, that the people of Thessalonica had suffered much persecution, both from the Jews and their own countrymen; but being thoroughly convinced of the truth of the Gospel, and feeling it to be the power of God unto salvation, no persecution could turn them aside from it. And having suffered for the truth, it was precious to them. Persecution never essentially injured the genuine Church of God.
"since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
King James Version (KJV)
"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;"
New International Version (NIV)
"God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you."
New Living Translation (NLT)
"In his justice, he will pay back those who persecute you."
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
"For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
"since it is just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
"For it is indeed just of God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
The Message (MSG)
"Meanwhile, there’s relief coming for you who suffer, and also for us, when the Master Jesus appears out of Heaven in blazing beauty of angels and with the power of God, as He brings justice to those who don’t know God and to those who refuse to obey the Gospel of our Master, Jesus."
Good News Translation (GNT)
"God will do what is right: he will bring suffering on those who make you suffer,"
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
"It is only right for God to punish everyone who is causing you trouble,"
Correct he did say that to Abraham. Jewish culture of today has most believing it was said to Israel. Iike Mike Johnson. I couldn't go into it without making the post too long.
You've been lied to about Israel. The Israel in the Bible are Christians; those who have accepted Christ, not the boundaries of the land the United Nations gave them in 1948.
There is a goal by jews to expand the current boundaries into what they call Greater Israel. Look at these maps and ask yourself if you are okay with the results. Do you think a few people may have a problem with giving jews the city of Mecca?
I agree we are in a spiritual batter and God wins. As a country, we shouldn't let any other country push our policy and drag us into war. No Iranian ever tried to push our kids into a drag queen story hour or try to subvert every aspect of our culture.
I think for myself. Simply because I have revelation of why Israel is so important in these latter days in no way indicates I have been lied to. I don't google Israel, I don't use any msm outlet for the truth about that land, and I will always stand with them. This is my perspective & my choice.
God established a covenant w/ Israel. He gave them that land. He keeps His promises. And He judges all accordingly.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom. 3:4 ...Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Gen. 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
This is the spirit of the Beast system which will eventually kill Jews (the Harlot in Revelation 17) AND Christians for being perceived as the Worlds problems, ushering in the false light kingdom of the Antichrist.
...the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
John 16:2
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
Not all Christians are "brainwashed" friend. Only Christians who have been taught "dispensationalism" which originated from the Scofield Reference Bible in 1830. Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. What these false teachings might led to is unconditional support of the modern nation of Israel. Our sons & daughters could be sent overseas to fight for Israel. Not good!
Not all Christians who support Israel do so because of dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism (yes, popularized by the Scofield Bible in the early 20th century) does emphasize Israel's role in prophecy but isn’t the sole reason for Christian support. Many non-dispensationalist Christians back Israel due to its historical significance, strategic alliances, and moral right to exist.
Moreover, supporting Israel doesn’t automatically mean endorsing all its policies or sending troops overseas. Theological beliefs and political actions are distinct, and decisions on military support are complex, involving multiple factors beyond any one theological view.
So, conflating dispensationalism with unconditional support for Israel oversimplifies the issue and ignores the diversity of reasons behind such support.
Right all Christians - what % of Christians support Israel because of dispensationalism?
How does SOTH Mike Johnson's Christians beliefs (which are in line with dispensationalism) influence his political decisions? Does the US send troops to the middle east to fight on behalf of Israel?
Do you have children? Grandchildren? You want them to fight for Israel? After all don't you want the "blessings" on your family & nation?
You OK with our Congressmen/women & Senators being dual US/Israeli citizens?
Ever here of the USS Liberty? Israel is our friend?
That's the best argument that there is. If you are all for the modern nation of Israel and what they are doing in the middle east (and the world) then when the shooting really starts be sure to send over your sons (and daughters) and grandchildren. After all we gotta be blessed by "blessing Israel" right? (Sarcasm).
Yes God promised to give them the land. This was fulfilled in the past. Read Joshua 21:43 (KJV). "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein."
Romans 12:19 - "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" - The Lord took vengeance on apostate Israel in 70 AD when the Temple & city of Jerusalem were destroyed by Roman General Titus & his army.
Romans 3:4 - you pulled a scripture out of context. Keep reading in Romans 3:9-10 - "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:". What's the point Paul was trying to make? Isn't it that no one is righteous? Neither Jew nor Gentile?
Gen 12:3 - God here is speaking of Abraham. Was this a reference to the nation state of Israel? If so the United States has been "blessing" the nation state of Israel for about 75 years. Or we as a nation "blessed"? I certainly don't think so.
How is Gen 12:3 ultimately fulfilled? Read Galatians 3:27-29 - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Yes God did give them "that land". Joshua 21:43 "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein." So that land promise was fulfilled along time ago. Israel was under a covenant relationship with God which they failed to live up to.
To be more specific it's Protestants who follow the system of biblical interpretation called "dispensationalism". Some groups who hold to this belief system are: Baptists, Assembly of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, etc. Of course there are exceptions to this list and it's not an all inclusive list. Also many within these groups are finally starting to question this whole notion that Christians must support "Israel" no matter what they do!
The Israel today is not the same Israel of the bible. This belief was created in 1900 by a single man named scoville. You will see that prior to this 1900 there was not a hint of any Christians believing such a thing.
You're right that God wins. That means it Israel needs Jesus.
Thank you! Excellent summary & true! When I first came to Christ over 40 years ago I was introduced to the teachings of E. I. Scofield. That system of theology is called "dispensationalism" right? It took me over 20 years to realize that dispensational teaching was wrong. I am reading some of the comments on this thread and it reminds me of the power of false teaching. Guys like us really have our work cut out for us!
Men like SOTH Mike Johnson seem to be a staunch dispensationalist. That is somewhat frightening to me. All I can say is that he can send his sons/daughters/grandchildren to fight and die for "Israel". But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. In some circles this would be called "antisemitic" LOL!
BTW I come from an Ashkenazi "Jewish" background thru my father's side of the family. My Gr-Gr-grandfather was 1 of 10 men who founded a synagogue in a town in New Hampshire. I did a lot of digging into this "Jewish" question. What I've concluded is that today's "Jews" have no connection with the ancient Hebrews or Israelites. The Jews in Israel are Europeans who have adopted the Jewish religion. I'd say most aren't even religious and don't even believe in God. I think the scriptures in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 says it all - "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9).
I could go on and on friend because this is a subject near and dear to my heart. But it's encouraging to read comments like yours! It gives me hope that American Christians are starting to wake up to the deception.
I'm proud of you that you that you decided to seek the truth instead of seeking a special class because of your bloodlines.
It amazes me how many Christians repeat the alleged promise of God will bless those the bless israel. The history of Israel seems to show that did not apply even to the biblical israel.
The Roman empire conquered Israel in 63 BC. They then slaughtered around a million Hebrews in 70 ad. If anything should trigger a curse you would think this would be it, instead the Roman empire prospered for hundreds of more years.
Why do so many Christians ignore so many beautiful and important promises of blessings or curses from the new testament? Whatever you do to the least of these you do onto me. Blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the poor in spirit.
It seems the only blessings that many modern day Christians get excited about is the blessings that come from giving money to their offering plate and the blessing that comes from giving money to the state of israel.
Seems like there is some manipulation behind this theology, wouldn't you say?
I’ll say this- u/Young_Patriot, are on fire this morning, kiddo! I got a rush from seeing someone younger knowing their Bible as well as you do! May God bless you and your family richly.
Yes I'm on the same page as "Young Patriot". You might call me an "Old Patriot" - I'm 72 yrs old - retired military! My children, who are in the their 20's & 30's (I started late), in no way want to have anything to do with the war in the middle east. This is a war that Israel is trying to drag us into. No thanks Bibi!
Sad to say Mike has been deceived into equating the modern state of Israel with the Israel of God in the Bible. Ignorantly he is supporting the Revelation 2:9ers....
Dual US/Israeli citizenship - should be banned! Who are these "representatives" of ours loyal to? They won't hesitate to plunge us into a war to help Israel. No thanks - not sending my sons/daughters/grandchildren. Mike Johnson can send his own children so they can "bless Israel"!
this meme is awesome.. Israel has been calling on the US to 'urgently' bomb Iran for 30 years now... The fact that Iran has NOT been a threat is fairly apparent and also the fact that Israel's intelligence was wrong is also apparent.
They really need wars for their sacrifice to satan it seems
This 3000 year war should exclude the US. BY LAW (The separation of church and state) because it is Nothing but a religious war and the insanity of radical jews and muslims. They both base their lives on Hate.
Mike Johnson said we must support Israel because the Bible says "God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse israel" . Well we have been blessing Israel for 75 years now. Have we received blessings? No we have not. We have been supporting those who claim to be Jewish but are not. They are the synagogue of Satan. We are cursed wen we support the enemies of God. Christians are God's chosen people, yet where is their honor?
Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. I used to be one for over 20 years. The doctrine he adheres to was introduced to Chrisitians with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible. This "Christian" reference Bible was bankrolled by a group of NY Jews.
And of course you are 100% correct when you ask where are the blessings upon the US. Faith in Christ, then, is what makes a person a member of the Israel of God, not mere ethnic descent. Paul confirms this elsewhere in Galatians 6:16, where he calls the Galatian church—made up predominantly of gentiles who believed in Jesus—as “the Israel of God.” The true Israel of God, then, consists of Christ and all the Jews and gentiles who believe in Him.
Dispensationalism is simply a theological framework that sees God's redemptive plan unfolding in distinct periods or "dispensations." While the formal system we know today was developed in the 19th century, some of its core ideas actually have roots in early Christian thought.
The early church recognized different periods in God's plan. For example, they distinguished between the Mosaic Law and the New Covenant through Christ (Hebrews 8:6-13). Paul also spoke of "times" and "epochs" in God's plan (Acts 17:30, Ephesians 1:10), which hints at the dispensational view of different phases in redemptive history.
Early church fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus expected a future, literal reign of Christ on earth. This premillennial view is a key part of dispensational eschatology.
In the first century, the church wrestled with the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers. Paul addressed this issue often, maintaining distinct roles for Israel and the Church while affirming their unity in Christ (Romans 11, Ephesians 2:11-22). This aligns with dispensationalism's idea of distinct but interconnected roles for Israel and the Church.
This assertion is highly speculative and lacks credible historical evidence.
While dispensationalism as a formal system was popularized by the Scofield Study Bible in the 20th century, the basic concepts have been around since the early church. It's fascinating to see how early Christians already had an understanding of God's distinct phases in His redemptive plan, even if they didn't use the term "dispensationalism."
There is no "Jewish conspiracy" around the Scofield study Bible as you are insinuating.
You should move this topic to conspiracies.win to die.
This 👆👆👆. I believe that we, the true believers in Jesus, are Israel. Not the physical state of Israel. Satan is the master of illusion and this is a grand example.
Those galatians were israel in the flesh. The gentiles referred to in the epistles, Roman's, Hebrews were all the lost tribes. Israel in the flesh. I'm glad you woke up to dispensationalism and the cryus Schofield Bible. Both are products of the counter reformation.
The Bible actually does not even say that. The Bible says God said to Abraham I will bless those that bless you and I will curse those that curse you. The blessing was specifically for abraham. If it was for his descendants, then the Muslims would have received the same blessing.
Strangely enough, there is a Bible verse in the New Testament that says dear brothers and sisters of the church, God will persecute those that persecute you. It seems to be the same alleged promise from the Old Testament for israel, but in this there is no lack of clarity who the promise is for.
Yes Abraham had other sons besides Isaac. Ishmael comes to mind. Also Keturah was a wife and a concubine of the Biblical patriarch Abraham. According to the Book of Genesis, Abraham married Keturah after the death of his first wife, Sarah. Abraham and Keturah had six sons.
I think Galatians 3:28-29 says it all: Galatians 3:28-29 (KJV) - "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Can you give me the scripture you are referring to? Thanks
2 Thessalonians 1:1-6 (ESV)
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing.
Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring.
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—
since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
And now ask yourself: who were the persecutors here in 2 Thess 1? From Acts 17:5, 13, and from 1 Thessalonians 2:14, we learn, that the people of Thessalonica had suffered much persecution, both from the Jews and their own countrymen; but being thoroughly convinced of the truth of the Gospel, and feeling it to be the power of God unto salvation, no persecution could turn them aside from it. And having suffered for the truth, it was precious to them. Persecution never essentially injured the genuine Church of God.
Ah ok. You just put it in your own words. Copy that. 👍
It is a paraphrase, but I think it's all there.
More translations:
2 Thessalonians 1:6
English Standard Version (ESV)
"since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
King James Version (KJV)
"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;"
New International Version (NIV)
"God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you."
New Living Translation (NLT)
"In his justice, he will pay back those who persecute you."
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
"For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
"since it is just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
"For it is indeed just of God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,"
The Message (MSG)
"Meanwhile, there’s relief coming for you who suffer, and also for us, when the Master Jesus appears out of Heaven in blazing beauty of angels and with the power of God, as He brings justice to those who don’t know God and to those who refuse to obey the Gospel of our Master, Jesus."
Good News Translation (GNT)
"God will do what is right: he will bring suffering on those who make you suffer,"
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
"It is only right for God to punish everyone who is causing you trouble,"
Correct he did say that to Abraham. Jewish culture of today has most believing it was said to Israel. Iike Mike Johnson. I couldn't go into it without making the post too long.
Israel is counting on the recent escalation to draw the US into this shit show.
yes they drag us in and it will cause all the palistianian militants here to go crazy and start the civil unrest....all by design....buckleup ferns
This is a spiritual battle, & Israel is of the utmost importance.
Fear not & pray w/out ceasing. God wins.
You've been lied to about Israel. The Israel in the Bible are Christians; those who have accepted Christ, not the boundaries of the land the United Nations gave them in 1948.
There is a goal by jews to expand the current boundaries into what they call Greater Israel. Look at these maps and ask yourself if you are okay with the results. Do you think a few people may have a problem with giving jews the city of Mecca?
I agree we are in a spiritual batter and God wins. As a country, we shouldn't let any other country push our policy and drag us into war. No Iranian ever tried to push our kids into a drag queen story hour or try to subvert every aspect of our culture.
I think for myself. Simply because I have revelation of why Israel is so important in these latter days in no way indicates I have been lied to. I don't google Israel, I don't use any msm outlet for the truth about that land, and I will always stand with them. This is my perspective & my choice.
God established a covenant w/ Israel. He gave them that land. He keeps His promises. And He judges all accordingly.
This is the spirit of the Beast system which will eventually kill Jews (the Harlot in Revelation 17) AND Christians for being perceived as the Worlds problems, ushering in the false light kingdom of the Antichrist.
John 16:2
Revelation 20:4
Not all Christians are "brainwashed" friend. Only Christians who have been taught "dispensationalism" which originated from the Scofield Reference Bible in 1830. Mike Johnson is obviously a dispensationalist. What these false teachings might led to is unconditional support of the modern nation of Israel. Our sons & daughters could be sent overseas to fight for Israel. Not good!
Not all Christians who support Israel do so because of dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism (yes, popularized by the Scofield Bible in the early 20th century) does emphasize Israel's role in prophecy but isn’t the sole reason for Christian support. Many non-dispensationalist Christians back Israel due to its historical significance, strategic alliances, and moral right to exist.
Moreover, supporting Israel doesn’t automatically mean endorsing all its policies or sending troops overseas. Theological beliefs and political actions are distinct, and decisions on military support are complex, involving multiple factors beyond any one theological view.
So, conflating dispensationalism with unconditional support for Israel oversimplifies the issue and ignores the diversity of reasons behind such support.
Right all Christians - what % of Christians support Israel because of dispensationalism?
How does SOTH Mike Johnson's Christians beliefs (which are in line with dispensationalism) influence his political decisions? Does the US send troops to the middle east to fight on behalf of Israel?
Do you have children? Grandchildren? You want them to fight for Israel? After all don't you want the "blessings" on your family & nation?
You OK with our Congressmen/women & Senators being dual US/Israeli citizens?
Ever here of the USS Liberty? Israel is our friend?
That's the best argument that there is. If you are all for the modern nation of Israel and what they are doing in the middle east (and the world) then when the shooting really starts be sure to send over your sons (and daughters) and grandchildren. After all we gotta be blessed by "blessing Israel" right? (Sarcasm).
I noticed you didn't have an answer for "Greater Israel". Are you really okay with that?
Apologies- was I supposed to answer it?
If I said yes, how would my opinion on the ideology of Greater Israel affect your day?
Only God the Father knows the boundaries of the land He promised to give them. My opinion on this particular question is moot.
Yes God promised to give them the land. This was fulfilled in the past. Read Joshua 21:43 (KJV). "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein."
Romans 12:19 - "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord" - The Lord took vengeance on apostate Israel in 70 AD when the Temple & city of Jerusalem were destroyed by Roman General Titus & his army.
Romans 3:4 - you pulled a scripture out of context. Keep reading in Romans 3:9-10 - "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:". What's the point Paul was trying to make? Isn't it that no one is righteous? Neither Jew nor Gentile?
Gen 12:3 - God here is speaking of Abraham. Was this a reference to the nation state of Israel? If so the United States has been "blessing" the nation state of Israel for about 75 years. Or we as a nation "blessed"? I certainly don't think so.
How is Gen 12:3 ultimately fulfilled? Read Galatians 3:27-29 - "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Yes God did give them "that land". Joshua 21:43 "And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein." So that land promise was fulfilled along time ago. Israel was under a covenant relationship with God which they failed to live up to.
Excellent. I learned some new things
To be more specific it's Protestants who follow the system of biblical interpretation called "dispensationalism". Some groups who hold to this belief system are: Baptists, Assembly of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, etc. Of course there are exceptions to this list and it's not an all inclusive list. Also many within these groups are finally starting to question this whole notion that Christians must support "Israel" no matter what they do!
The Israel today is not the same Israel of the bible. This belief was created in 1900 by a single man named scoville. You will see that prior to this 1900 there was not a hint of any Christians believing such a thing.
You're right that God wins. That means it Israel needs Jesus.
Thank you! Excellent summary & true! When I first came to Christ over 40 years ago I was introduced to the teachings of E. I. Scofield. That system of theology is called "dispensationalism" right? It took me over 20 years to realize that dispensational teaching was wrong. I am reading some of the comments on this thread and it reminds me of the power of false teaching. Guys like us really have our work cut out for us!
Men like SOTH Mike Johnson seem to be a staunch dispensationalist. That is somewhat frightening to me. All I can say is that he can send his sons/daughters/grandchildren to fight and die for "Israel". But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. In some circles this would be called "antisemitic" LOL!
BTW I come from an Ashkenazi "Jewish" background thru my father's side of the family. My Gr-Gr-grandfather was 1 of 10 men who founded a synagogue in a town in New Hampshire. I did a lot of digging into this "Jewish" question. What I've concluded is that today's "Jews" have no connection with the ancient Hebrews or Israelites. The Jews in Israel are Europeans who have adopted the Jewish religion. I'd say most aren't even religious and don't even believe in God. I think the scriptures in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 says it all - "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" (Rev 2:9).
I could go on and on friend because this is a subject near and dear to my heart. But it's encouraging to read comments like yours! It gives me hope that American Christians are starting to wake up to the deception.
I'm proud of you that you that you decided to seek the truth instead of seeking a special class because of your bloodlines.
It amazes me how many Christians repeat the alleged promise of God will bless those the bless israel. The history of Israel seems to show that did not apply even to the biblical israel.
The Roman empire conquered Israel in 63 BC. They then slaughtered around a million Hebrews in 70 ad. If anything should trigger a curse you would think this would be it, instead the Roman empire prospered for hundreds of more years.
Why do so many Christians ignore so many beautiful and important promises of blessings or curses from the new testament? Whatever you do to the least of these you do onto me. Blessed are the peacemakers. Blessed are the poor in spirit.
It seems the only blessings that many modern day Christians get excited about is the blessings that come from giving money to their offering plate and the blessing that comes from giving money to the state of israel.
Seems like there is some manipulation behind this theology, wouldn't you say?
I’ll say this- u/Young_Patriot, are on fire this morning, kiddo! I got a rush from seeing someone younger knowing their Bible as well as you do! May God bless you and your family richly.
Yes I'm on the same page as "Young Patriot". You might call me an "Old Patriot" - I'm 72 yrs old - retired military! My children, who are in the their 20's & 30's (I started late), in no way want to have anything to do with the war in the middle east. This is a war that Israel is trying to drag us into. No thanks Bibi!
Bibi needs a bully so he can beg for money.
No bullies necessary. Faggots like Mike Johnson willingly spread the country’s cheeks/
Sad to say Mike has been deceived into equating the modern state of Israel with the Israel of God in the Bible. Ignorantly he is supporting the Revelation 2:9ers....
Alas, with a bought and paid off congress......
Dual US/Israeli citizenship - should be banned! Who are these "representatives" of ours loyal to? They won't hesitate to plunge us into a war to help Israel. No thanks - not sending my sons/daughters/grandchildren. Mike Johnson can send his own children so they can "bless Israel"!
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 This thread has been awesome today!