The Scofield Bible has done more harm to the modern church than any other thing I can think of by introducing , propagating, and spreading the lie of pre-millennial dispensationalism, more commonly known as believe in the rapture.
This is NOT what Christians believed for almost 1800 years.
God and His people don't lose down here. We are not supposed to wait to get yeeted into heaven as we ignore the great commission to take dominion over EVERYTHING.
Christ's blood bought it ALL. Every sphere of influence. From government to education to industry to entertainment. We should be leading, taking ground, and not giving it up to pagans and secular systems and governments.
But no, Christians these days think that most of that destruction language in Daniel and Revelation is about events in the future when in fact it was about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Even Jesus told us this generation shall not pass to all these things take place. Everything there lines up with historic events. The Jews and the Christians understood this and this was understood throughout church history until this stupid Bible with eschatological footnotes came along and had this virtually unheard of rapture teaching and future fulfillment of prophecies that had already been fulfilled.
Unfortunately because that Bible was the first of its kind that was widely available it was rapidly adopted by pastors and seminaries and within a short while that view of the end times became the prevailing position.
Christians on the whole aren't fighting. They aren't building like they used to. Christians used to start projects that they're great great grandchildren would have to finish. Now you'd be lucky if you can find a church planning 15 years in the future.
Not a single one of our founding fathers believed in the rapture and thank God they didn't. Can you imagine? "Tea taxes are the mark of the beast! King George is the antichrist! Jesus is coming soon! No need to revolt, let's just wait it out"
No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
And please don't misunderstand me if you're not familiar with Post millennialism. Christ will return.... For final judgment. That's when the wicked will be swept off the Earth just like in the days of Noah. Those that are in Christ, which we know is symbolic of the ark, are safe from the destruction that will come.
Basically God wins. So fight like you're on the winning side because if you're in Christ you are.
*If you're not in Christ you can fight alongside with us all you want and I will welcome you to do so but when Christ returns in judgment, He will not welcome you. Make Him the king of your life and your victory will be eternal. This is good vs evil. The only religion being attacked is Christianity for a reason. Only the truth of and faith in Christianity is a threat to what we are up against.
Repent and believe the gospel.
Yes I was agreeing with you. I was explaining in which way it did the most harm.
To add to that, by having Christians think that Israel still holds an important place in future biblical prophetic events it makes many Evangelical Christians needlessly support Israel.
I once watched a news report where they were interviewing these evangelical christians (which I gathered was basically Zionist christians) and they were saying how when Jesus comes and gathers up all the Jews, and these Evangelicals would be on the side watching, while the rest of the world is burnt up, and once all the Jews were taken to the best place in the Heaven, Jesus would then come and take these Evangelicals to the second best place.
And he was saying this with a happy smile, almost dreamlike, like he couldn't wait for that to happen. One of the worst things I have seen.
Ultimately its their vanity and selfishness that captures them into this.
My understanding is these evangelicals believe that the rapture will come. All of the Jews in the world will say Oh Vey, all those Christians disappeared, I guess I was wrong, I will now accept Jesus Christ as the true Messiah. I believe they are now God's army on Earth during the 7-year reign of the antichrist.
I believe Jesus then comes to Earth with an army and conquers the evil side, and he sets up his earthly Kingdom for 1,000 years.
After a thousand years, the people of the world rise up against the kingdom of Jesus and rebel against him.
I believe this is when all of the disasters and Revelation come and ultimately it leads to the destruction of the world and the final judgment of mankind.
Here's another black pill: what do the following songs have in common?
White Christmas
The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!
Santa Baby
Silver Bells
It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year
A Holly Jolly Christmas
I'll Be Home for Christmas
Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
Winter Wonderland
Do You Hear What I Hear?
Sleigh Ride
Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas
We Need a Little Christmas
There's No Place Like Home for the Holidays
(There's No Place Like) Home for the Holidays
Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
Happy Holiday
Here Comes Santa Claus
Silver and Gold
All written by Jewish composers. From the Schofield Bible to the Christmas holiday, it's amazing how much non-christians have molded what the Christian religion and culture looks like
Yep but it won't be a flood this time. God made a promise.
But Jesus gave us a parable that likely gives us the form of judgement/ cleansing that God will use this time around.
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares, also known as the Parable of the Weeds, appears in the Bible in Matthew 13:24–43.
The parable is about a farmer who sows good seeds in his field, but while he sleeps, an enemy sows weeds among the wheat. When the servants ask the farmer why there are weeds in his field, he tells them that an enemy has done it. The farmer then instructs his servants to let the wheat and weeds grow together until harvest time, when they should gather the weeds first and burn them, and then gather the wheat into his barn.
Later in Matthew, the parable's elements are given further meaning:
The wheat: Represents "the children of the Kingdom" (Christians)
The tares: Also known as darnel or "false wheat", these weeds represent "the children of the evil one" (Unbelievers)
The harvest: Represents "the end of the age" (The end of sin and final judgment)
So right now Christians and unbelievers are together. When Jesus comes back for final judgment the wicked will be burned and the faithful will remain.
If you haven't listened to Tucker's interview with John Rich, you would enjoy it. He makes exactly the same points you're making. I agree, btw. Even as a kid, the rapture stuff made no sense to me because I had read the New Testament and was like 'where are they getting this'? Now I'm reading the Old Testament in the Geneva Bible -- the Bible of the Pilgrims. Finished Daniel and am reading Isaiah now. The notes are helpful for the historical context at the time, but I've not seen any sign of "the rapture" as we hear about it now being discussed.
I've made a playlist on YouTube on the subject of the end times where I've collected some of the best most helpful videos of explanations, discussions, debates and sermons from very well-known and respected pastors, biblical scholars, and theologians.
Feel free to pick through it and see if there's anything that catches your eye. The round table discussion that's the second video in the playlist is absolutely worth your time
This is a great summary. It always seemed odd to me that our end times understanding all came from Darby and no one else. (Does not every believer have the same Holy Spirit?)
But about the last paragraph, people don't need to make Jesus king of their life to gain eternal life. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has eternal life. John 6:40 - “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
Making Jesus King of your life, or abiding Him, determines if a person will receives treasure in heaven.
1 Cor 3:14-15
"If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
The Lord will discipline believers when we disobey, but he has stated he will never cast us out. (John 6:37)
Yes turning from your sin and accepting Jesus into your is what you need for salvation.
And who is Jesus? King of kings and Lord of lords.
So by accepting Christ into your heart to receive forgiveness and eternal life includes Him becoming Your shepherd, king, and Lord.
Receiving treasures in heaven and also a crown of glory for your works and leading people to Christ/salvation is another thing entirely. Aunt absolutely something very important that Christians shouldn't neglect in the slightest. But for non-Christians it doesn't matter. Outside of Christ God sees our works as filthy rags and tainted with sin. A more accurate translation to that verse would actually be used menstrual rags which is about one of the most grotesque things you can imagine in ancient Jewish culture.
Certainly, Christ is the King of everyone who has believed in him.
And turn from sin will make it easier for people to believe in him. (John 3:20-21)
Jesus is always telling the disciples to turn from their sin, but to unbelievers, he just says that God's will is for them to believe in him.
John 6:28-29
"Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”"
Sorry fren but this is basic and universally accepted as part of the gospel and the golden chain of redemption. Repentance is a command to Unbelievers. You don't need a savior if there's nothing to be saved from.
But don't take my word for it. Here's a few verses.
Acts 3:19: "So turn away from your sins. Turn to God. Then your sins will be wiped away. The time will come when the Lord will make everything new"
Luke 13:3 - No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish
Matthew 4:17: "Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near"
Acts 2:38: "Turn away from our sins and to God"
Jesus said, “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3)
Jesus Himself emphasizes the importance of repentance in His teachings. Mark 1:15 (NIV) records His words: "The time has come... The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!" This reflects the idea that repentance is a fundamental response to the message of the Gospel, leading to a transformed life through faith.
The Scofield Bible has done more harm to the modern church than any other thing I can think of by introducing , propagating, and spreading the lie of pre-millennial dispensationalism, more commonly known as believe in the rapture.
This is NOT what Christians believed for almost 1800 years.
God and His people don't lose down here. We are not supposed to wait to get yeeted into heaven as we ignore the great commission to take dominion over EVERYTHING.
Christ's blood bought it ALL. Every sphere of influence. From government to education to industry to entertainment. We should be leading, taking ground, and not giving it up to pagans and secular systems and governments.
But no, Christians these days think that most of that destruction language in Daniel and Revelation is about events in the future when in fact it was about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Even Jesus told us this generation shall not pass to all these things take place. Everything there lines up with historic events. The Jews and the Christians understood this and this was understood throughout church history until this stupid Bible with eschatological footnotes came along and had this virtually unheard of rapture teaching and future fulfillment of prophecies that had already been fulfilled.
Unfortunately because that Bible was the first of its kind that was widely available it was rapidly adopted by pastors and seminaries and within a short while that view of the end times became the prevailing position.
Christians on the whole aren't fighting. They aren't building like they used to. Christians used to start projects that they're great great grandchildren would have to finish. Now you'd be lucky if you can find a church planning 15 years in the future.
Not a single one of our founding fathers believed in the rapture and thank God they didn't. Can you imagine? "Tea taxes are the mark of the beast! King George is the antichrist! Jesus is coming soon! No need to revolt, let's just wait it out"
No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
And please don't misunderstand me if you're not familiar with Post millennialism. Christ will return.... For final judgment. That's when the wicked will be swept off the Earth just like in the days of Noah. Those that are in Christ, which we know is symbolic of the ark, are safe from the destruction that will come.
Basically God wins. So fight like you're on the winning side because if you're in Christ you are.
*If you're not in Christ you can fight alongside with us all you want and I will welcome you to do so but when Christ returns in judgment, He will not welcome you. Make Him the king of your life and your victory will be eternal. This is good vs evil. The only religion being attacked is Christianity for a reason. Only the truth of and faith in Christianity is a threat to what we are up against. Repent and believe the gospel.
Scofield Bible is how Zionists subverted American christians :(
Yes I was agreeing with you. I was explaining in which way it did the most harm.
To add to that, by having Christians think that Israel still holds an important place in future biblical prophetic events it makes many Evangelical Christians needlessly support Israel.
Yes, I was jus summarising your comment :)
I once watched a news report where they were interviewing these evangelical christians (which I gathered was basically Zionist christians) and they were saying how when Jesus comes and gathers up all the Jews, and these Evangelicals would be on the side watching, while the rest of the world is burnt up, and once all the Jews were taken to the best place in the Heaven, Jesus would then come and take these Evangelicals to the second best place.
And he was saying this with a happy smile, almost dreamlike, like he couldn't wait for that to happen. One of the worst things I have seen.
Ultimately its their vanity and selfishness that captures them into this.
My understanding is these evangelicals believe that the rapture will come. All of the Jews in the world will say Oh Vey, all those Christians disappeared, I guess I was wrong, I will now accept Jesus Christ as the true Messiah. I believe they are now God's army on Earth during the 7-year reign of the antichrist.
I believe Jesus then comes to Earth with an army and conquers the evil side, and he sets up his earthly Kingdom for 1,000 years.
After a thousand years, the people of the world rise up against the kingdom of Jesus and rebel against him. I believe this is when all of the disasters and Revelation come and ultimately it leads to the destruction of the world and the final judgment of mankind.
Is this accurate description of that belief?
Here's another black pill: what do the following songs have in common?
All written by Jewish composers. From the Schofield Bible to the Christmas holiday, it's amazing how much non-christians have molded what the Christian religion and culture looks like
The one christmas song I like on your list is.. Do you hear what I hear?
“Yeeted into heaven” 😆
I coined that phrase
It's my favorite way to refer to the rapture cause it really is that ridiculous.
Yep but it won't be a flood this time. God made a promise.
But Jesus gave us a parable that likely gives us the form of judgement/ cleansing that God will use this time around.
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares, also known as the Parable of the Weeds, appears in the Bible in Matthew 13:24–43.
The parable is about a farmer who sows good seeds in his field, but while he sleeps, an enemy sows weeds among the wheat. When the servants ask the farmer why there are weeds in his field, he tells them that an enemy has done it. The farmer then instructs his servants to let the wheat and weeds grow together until harvest time, when they should gather the weeds first and burn them, and then gather the wheat into his barn.
Later in Matthew, the parable's elements are given further meaning:
The wheat: Represents "the children of the Kingdom" (Christians)
The tares: Also known as darnel or "false wheat", these weeds represent "the children of the evil one" (Unbelievers)
The harvest: Represents "the end of the age" (The end of sin and final judgment)
So right now Christians and unbelievers are together. When Jesus comes back for final judgment the wicked will be burned and the faithful will remain.
That made me pause & smile as well :) 😀
If you haven't listened to Tucker's interview with John Rich, you would enjoy it. He makes exactly the same points you're making. I agree, btw. Even as a kid, the rapture stuff made no sense to me because I had read the New Testament and was like 'where are they getting this'? Now I'm reading the Old Testament in the Geneva Bible -- the Bible of the Pilgrims. Finished Daniel and am reading Isaiah now. The notes are helpful for the historical context at the time, but I've not seen any sign of "the rapture" as we hear about it now being discussed.
I've made a playlist on YouTube on the subject of the end times where I've collected some of the best most helpful videos of explanations, discussions, debates and sermons from very well-known and respected pastors, biblical scholars, and theologians.
Feel free to pick through it and see if there's anything that catches your eye. The round table discussion that's the second video in the playlist is absolutely worth your time
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=QhvOB77mHwVUQaff
This is a great summary. It always seemed odd to me that our end times understanding all came from Darby and no one else. (Does not every believer have the same Holy Spirit?)
But about the last paragraph, people don't need to make Jesus king of their life to gain eternal life. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has eternal life. John 6:40 - “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
Making Jesus King of your life, or abiding Him, determines if a person will receives treasure in heaven. 1 Cor 3:14-15 "If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
The Lord will discipline believers when we disobey, but he has stated he will never cast us out. (John 6:37)
Yes turning from your sin and accepting Jesus into your is what you need for salvation.
And who is Jesus? King of kings and Lord of lords.
So by accepting Christ into your heart to receive forgiveness and eternal life includes Him becoming Your shepherd, king, and Lord.
Receiving treasures in heaven and also a crown of glory for your works and leading people to Christ/salvation is another thing entirely. Aunt absolutely something very important that Christians shouldn't neglect in the slightest. But for non-Christians it doesn't matter. Outside of Christ God sees our works as filthy rags and tainted with sin. A more accurate translation to that verse would actually be used menstrual rags which is about one of the most grotesque things you can imagine in ancient Jewish culture.
Certainly, Christ is the King of everyone who has believed in him.
And turn from sin will make it easier for people to believe in him. (John 3:20-21)
Jesus is always telling the disciples to turn from their sin, but to unbelievers, he just says that God's will is for them to believe in him.
John 6:28-29 "Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”"
Sorry fren but this is basic and universally accepted as part of the gospel and the golden chain of redemption. Repentance is a command to Unbelievers. You don't need a savior if there's nothing to be saved from.
But don't take my word for it. Here's a few verses.
Acts 3:19: "So turn away from your sins. Turn to God. Then your sins will be wiped away. The time will come when the Lord will make everything new"
Luke 13:3 - No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish
Matthew 4:17: "Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near"
Acts 2:38: "Turn away from our sins and to God"
Jesus said, “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3)
Jesus Himself emphasizes the importance of repentance in His teachings. Mark 1:15 (NIV) records His words: "The time has come... The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!" This reflects the idea that repentance is a fundamental response to the message of the Gospel, leading to a transformed life through faith.
Jesus is far more than simply truth and is not simple in the slightest. Truth is just one aspect of His nature.
He is infinite and we will spend eternity learning from Him and the different aspects of Him.