It was as precise as it could be. No way of knowing where those pagers would be at the time of detonation, but it proves that Hamas/Hezbollah, and terrorists in general hide among the general population. That's the point of an insurgency, to hide amongst your enemies in full view of your enemies, in order to strike at your enemies from within.
It's real easy for people to arm chair QB this thing, especially those that have never fought a terrorist insurgent in their own land. I'm willing to bet, and actually do believe, that the vast majority of those pagers belonged to the terrorists.
Civilian casualties in a time of war suck, however, the Palestinians voted for Hamas to be their leaders. They are the only ones who can truly stop this mess, too. All they have to do is turn on their captor leaders and give them up or eliminate them. Until that happens, they will continue to take casualties and the rest of the world will continue to blame Israel for it.
To me, this is no different than us letting our leadership be infiltrated by our enemies and then turning a blind eye to their madness, which we've been doing since before I was born. So it's mighty hoity-toity of us to sit here half a world away and arm chair QB things when we have our own mess to clean up.
And I think this is why the Free Palestine movement, BLM, ANTIFA, etc exists. Everyone can see we have some major issues in the world, but no one wants to admit that it was WE, THE PEOPLE who allowed it to happen. So, we go around laying blame to everyone else but ourselves. Maybe if we, as a society, looked in the mirror more, we'd begin to see the hypocrisy of it all and actually work to bring the madness to an end.
Exactly. The way to stop this is for Hamas to surrender and Hezbollah to stop lobbing rockets and drones into Israel and move away from the border like they said they would. Problem solved.
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Yeah cause tons of civilians are using walkie-talkies
CIVILIANS USE CHEAPER AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE CALL PHONES.
A cheap pair of walkie talkies can be had for $20-$30. How much is a single cell phone bill.
I live and work in and around a lot of areas with zero cell reception. Walkie talkies can a necessity for people who don't live in urban centers.
I know plenty of parents whose kids play with walkie talkies.
You can hate Israel AND not be intellectually dishonest at the same time.
Blowing up civilians through sheer indifference doesn't stop being an evil act just because OUR GREATEST ALLY does it. It's intellectually dishonest to say it's ok to blow up civilians just because they were standing too close to some terrorist goat fucker.
They're setting off bombs in a civilian area and they don't know where the bombs actually are, if there are innocent people near by, or what effect the explosion is going to have. That is, BY DEFINITION, not a targeted strike.
There have been literally thousands of explosions going off between pagers and other items (which have been detailed in other threads here) all over that city. We also know that the pager explosions were pretty much synchronized. I'm not even willing to entertain the argument that Israel waited for there to be no innocent people around because there's already videos of those pagers going off in stores and (the aftermath of) while people are driving.
Also, pajeets generally don't like muslims, something-something muslis trying to kill them. Indian and Pakistan have been threatening to nuke each other for decades now. I don't see an Indian activist woman going to bat for muslims.
Eli like I’m 5 I haven’t been paying attention. First:Were there explosives in the pagers? Or were they just overheated to make the batteries explode?
Second: pagers…they still make them?
They are made in china, like everything else. The Israelis paid the chinese to let them “fix” the devices. There are a couple of ounces of Semtex in each device, just enough to blow off a hand or a face. In a pocket could cause fatal injuries.
It looks to me like Hamas / Hezbollah are being paid back in their own coin.
Yes. Pagers are mostly used by hospital personnel because they can operate in areas of extremely low cell phone reception when you need to get ahold of someone ASAP (say, medical emergency).
I also know a couple of families that gave their kids pagers because they didn't want the kids to have smartphone-induced brain rot, but still wanted to be able to get ahold of them.
It was as precise as it could be. No way of knowing where those pagers would be at the time of detonation, but it proves that Hamas/Hezbollah, and terrorists in general hide among the general population. That's the point of an insurgency, to hide amongst your enemies in full view of your enemies, in order to strike at your enemies from within.
It's real easy for people to arm chair QB this thing, especially those that have never fought a terrorist insurgent in their own land. I'm willing to bet, and actually do believe, that the vast majority of those pagers belonged to the terrorists.
Civilian casualties in a time of war suck, however, the Palestinians voted for Hamas to be their leaders. They are the only ones who can truly stop this mess, too. All they have to do is turn on their captor leaders and give them up or eliminate them. Until that happens, they will continue to take casualties and the rest of the world will continue to blame Israel for it.
To me, this is no different than us letting our leadership be infiltrated by our enemies and then turning a blind eye to their madness, which we've been doing since before I was born. So it's mighty hoity-toity of us to sit here half a world away and arm chair QB things when we have our own mess to clean up.
And I think this is why the Free Palestine movement, BLM, ANTIFA, etc exists. Everyone can see we have some major issues in the world, but no one wants to admit that it was WE, THE PEOPLE who allowed it to happen. So, we go around laying blame to everyone else but ourselves. Maybe if we, as a society, looked in the mirror more, we'd begin to see the hypocrisy of it all and actually work to bring the madness to an end.
Terrorists are a Zionist creation. Like an ouroboros, the Satanic snake eats itself.
Imagine thinking that a place like Palestine has legit elections when we can't even have them in the United States.
Exactly. The way to stop this is for Hamas to surrender and Hezbollah to stop lobbing rockets and drones into Israel and move away from the border like they said they would. Problem solved.
^this.
OP is trying to redefine "terrorism"
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Lebanon is not to be confused with Palestine.
Pagers were not the only civilian devices that were booby-trapped, but reportedly also walkie-talkies, home solar energy equipment, etc.
"booby-traps are banned under international law. “Weaponizing an object used by civilians is strictly prohibited,”
Source: https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah-syria-ce6af3c2e6de0a0dddfae48634278288
"Walkie-talkies and other devices exploded at a funeral for Hezbollah leaders"
Yeah cause tons of civilians are using walkie-talkies and not cell phones./s
I'll say it again.... CIVILIANS USE CHEAPER AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE CALL PHONES.
These pagers were NOT being sold at stores, they were passed out to Hezbollah members.
This clearly falls in the category of military equipment.
You can hate Israel AND not be intellectually dishonest at the same time.
A cheap pair of walkie talkies can be had for $20-$30. How much is a single cell phone bill.
I live and work in and around a lot of areas with zero cell reception. Walkie talkies can a necessity for people who don't live in urban centers.
I know plenty of parents whose kids play with walkie talkies.
Blowing up civilians through sheer indifference doesn't stop being an evil act just because OUR GREATEST ALLY does it. It's intellectually dishonest to say it's ok to blow up civilians just because they were standing too close to some terrorist goat fucker.
Home appliances....
https://x.com/RituRathaur/status/1836474741802303919
Two week later... how's this working out?
https://x.com/RituRathaur/status/1836474741802303919
Now home appliances are exploding. Is this still "as targeted as can be"?
Okay first of all A woman in India isn't really a 1st hand account of what's going on.
Secondly.. what appliances exactly?
I'm open to being wrong but I'm gonna need some better sources and clear details.
I hope we can agree the other side has a HUGE interest in making this seem like it's more than a targeted strikes for optics.
They're setting off bombs in a civilian area and they don't know where the bombs actually are, if there are innocent people near by, or what effect the explosion is going to have. That is, BY DEFINITION, not a targeted strike.
There have been literally thousands of explosions going off between pagers and other items (which have been detailed in other threads here) all over that city. We also know that the pager explosions were pretty much synchronized. I'm not even willing to entertain the argument that Israel waited for there to be no innocent people around because there's already videos of those pagers going off in stores and (the aftermath of) while people are driving.
Also, pajeets generally don't like muslims, something-something muslis trying to kill them. Indian and Pakistan have been threatening to nuke each other for decades now. I don't see an Indian activist woman going to bat for muslims.
Lol hardly. I can't stand Israel. Who am I rooting for? None of the above. I hope they all lose.
But I'm not such an intellectually dishonest fucktard that I need to redefine words or misrepresent those that I dislike. I have integrity.
You should try it.
Eli like I’m 5 I haven’t been paying attention. First:Were there explosives in the pagers? Or were they just overheated to make the batteries explode? Second: pagers…they still make them?
Thanks for your time anon.
They are made in china, like everything else. The Israelis paid the chinese to let them “fix” the devices. There are a couple of ounces of Semtex in each device, just enough to blow off a hand or a face. In a pocket could cause fatal injuries.
It looks to me like Hamas / Hezbollah are being paid back in their own coin.
They were made under license in Hungary. So battery was easily swapped if not the entire pcb/ internals.
Remember these had to be made to pass a random inspection and make it through customs.
Just think that Isreal happily sent 5,000 mini bombs through airports and possibly on civilian flights.
Both sides are terrorists who will stop at nothing to kill each other.
Yep and the Israeli’s invented this kind of terrorism in the 1940s and the terrorist organization that is the US deep state has enabled it ever since.
Gracias
De nada, amig (I just made that up for fren en espanol!).
Yes. Pagers are mostly used by hospital personnel because they can operate in areas of extremely low cell phone reception when you need to get ahold of someone ASAP (say, medical emergency).
I also know a couple of families that gave their kids pagers because they didn't want the kids to have smartphone-induced brain rot, but still wanted to be able to get ahold of them.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. Have a great day!