You do understand only God and Jesus can hear your prayers in your head. Not even the devil can hear your silent prayers. Which means neither can an archangel. God answers prayers. Jesus is the connection. Why pray to the created and not the creator?
He does know. And you would rather pray to a creation of His, than to Him directly? Then why did God send His only Son to die? So we can pray to Michael? Why not pray to a tree. Or the sun? Maybe your tennis shoes? All God’s creations. See what I mean? An angle is a creation. Like me and you are. The scripture, Jesus lays it out very well. What did Christ do? Did Jesus pray to the Earth at the garden of Gethsemane? Did he pray to the sky to heal a blind man? Name one time when Jesus prayed for an angle to help Him? Never happened. So if Jesus is the only path to God, then why would anyone pray to an angle for help? If anything praying to another source outside of Christ and the Father is idolatry. And straight up wrong. God killed over 3,000 when they were praying to a golden calf.
That’s still praying to someone who ISN’T God. Which is a false idol. An angle isn’t going to do anything for you. Not until God commands it to. So again….why are you praying to an angle of the Lord? Key words, THE LORD.
And you would rather pray to a creation of His, than to Him directly?
We ask each other for prayers all the time, here on GAW even. Why not ask people already in heaven, who have direct access to the Throne, to also pray on your behalf? We are all one community, the church on earth and the church in heaven.
Who has direct access to the throne that advocates for you? The Bible is clear who that is. I know, you tell me. Anyone else advocating for you is made up fantasy. It wasn’t written, therefore false teachings.
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men”
God knows your heart. As in your mind, inner thoughts. The devil can read you like a book tho. The devil can show you a beautiful woman, and your mind will do the rest. The devil knows our hearts, he understands them. Our hearts can be evil. But only God possess the power to truly know you. And what your made of. Heart and mind.
Thank you, that actually clarifies a question I've had for a long time. At one point I was being spiritually attacked and it SEEMED like the devil could hear my silent prayers and then counter them with his own bs. But that was my own mind operating on the fears the devil had already seeded, taking them to their logical conclusions, operating within the framework the devil had set up there. It's good to have this closure on the matter, now I can have more confidence towards God in prayer. (I had been leaning more and more towards this conclusion but to hear it from someone else + a solid scripture puts me over the edge)
As my wife says a lot, say it out loud…to rebuke Satan. In Jesus’s name I rebuke you devil. Then saying out loud, give prayers to Jesus to rebuke this evil. Say it nice and loud so the devil gets a ear full. It works. I mean you don’t have to scream it and scare the neighbors…but basically use your voice.
Yea as a new Christian a few years ago, I didn’t know the devil couldn’t read my mind either. I felt like he was in my head constantly. I eventually learned through lessons or scripture and church that it’s was more me, my mind doing what it does, but being manipulated by the devil. The devil calls us by our sins constantly. Jesus would never do this. There are many videos that helps in learning to decipher “the voice” we hear. From the Holy Spirit and not the enemy. But we are hit humans. We have to have daily prayer and “walk in the spirit”, as Paul talks about in the Bible. When our focus is on Jesus more, it silences the evil that surrounds us.
Put it this way the devil has millenia of experience reading human nature and tendencies so essentially he's making really good guesses based on how we have acted in the past as well as his knowledge of humankind. That's best explanation I've ever heard
Thank God lol. So it's a one-way valve with that bugger. I wonder if it's a two-way for someone who is possessed, like the ones Christ cast the demons out of... is it possible for a Christian to be possessed? I've been told it isn't since we have the holy Spirit and the devil can't get near it
Lol when I first got born again I was of course into all these various preachers etc and they had me rebuking left and right like mad! Everything up in that house was getting a thorough rebuking! 😭 it was kinda manic. When I discovered "the Lord rebuke you satan" I let that stuff go, gave it to Jesus. That verse is one of the main reasons I don't talk to angels or demons or any of that now. Just my Saviour and Heavenly Father
Amen. Is it possible for a Christian to be possessed..hmm. I mean me personally, I would say no, for the reasons you stated, buuut, that one movie called The exorcist of Emily Rose. If you haven’t seen it, don’t watch it. I’m telling ya it invites evil. But she, supposedly, was a Christian, Catholic. And she got severely possessed. Show is crazy. I can’t watch it. I’ve watched it once since I’ve became a Christian and I’m telling you, I was attacked that night, severely. I’m a grown man, not any weakling, and I was the most afraid I’ve ever been in my life. Shedding tears and praying repeatedly to Jesus. My sins were being called all over me. The remarks I heard…and I mean heard. Not in my head. I’m getting chills typing this, so ima stop but. So I don’t know really. I would say no. The protection from God is to great. But we have to stay focused. Look to Jesus. We can’t fight these battles. But we can pray to the one who can and will, because he loves us so much.
I don't know why anyone believes angels can hear them? Unless they are praying out loud, of course. But even then, angels aren't omnipresent, so unless Michael is hanging out at their house with them, he's not hearing it. It probably embarrasses him that people do that.
Prayer is just a mode of communication, it is not worship (unless the content of the prayer is worship).
Worship God alone, but you can ask anyone, on earth or in heaven, to pray with you when petitioning God for something. The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community.
So you’re just gonna change the subject? Yes, fellow Christians can pray with you. But we aren’t discussing that here. We are discussing praying to those for help, that isn’t God. Why change the subject?
Not exactly. Many can hear. Even some humans can 'mind read' & etc. I can sometimes read the thoughts & prayers of others. God is most powerful, yes. God alone is to be worshiped, yes. For us , anyways. There are some out there who worship Satan. That's what this whole battle about. If Satan can't hear their 'prayers' then why does the cabal have any power at all? I am afraid you are wrong, many can hear.
We can banish the devil with Jesus's name, yes, this is true. If so we can ask that the devil can not read our prayers & I suppose if you wanted to, you could ask the same for any other archangel, but why? "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan,......" This says that we are praying and we are also requesting the assistance of the mighty archangel. Worship belongs to God alone (for us) but you can request anything from anyone, including archangels. This was brilliantly written by Trump so that people of any faith can join us here. Though he is a Christian, he is a leader of not just Christians.
If I see some birds in a tree, flying around, singing..doing bird things. I get an idea. I’m gonna go throw bread crumbs and see if they fly down when I throw them on the ground under them. Now, what do you think will happen? Can I read their minds? No. Do I understand how they think? Yes. This is what the devil can do. He understand you, very well. He can read you. The devil knows if he gets a beautiful woman to come across your screen, your mind will do the rest. Doesn’t mean he can read your thoughts. He knows how you think, but not literally. Now, those birds may not be dumb enough to go after those crumbs. They may understand that I’m a threat and just fly away. Or they’ll do exactly what I want the to do. Manipulation. Temptation. This is what the devil does. Doesn’t make you a mind reader. And, it’s written in scripture that only God can read the hearts and minds. So no, not angels, not people. And yes, of course of God allows someone to. But again, that power belongs to the creator.
I upvoted you because you made a good argument however, I still disagree to some extent.
What does it mean to "read minds?" It means to know what they are thinking, right? So one could say that I can sometimes read the minds of birds but I sometimes get it wrong too. It sort of depends on what people mean by the phrase "read minds"
People are more complex. There are people you know so well that you can pretty much read their minds. Not always, but often. Does it matter that it has to do with a tiny inflection or facial muscle twitch. It's still reading the mind, isn't it? Maybe even machines can read our mind (Like the lie detector machine)
Maybe it is possible to actually read minds too. In the old days (before cell phones or caller id) it was often the case that, when the phone rang, we just knew that ring sounded like a certain person & it was usually correct. At least with me. Yes, I think people are a lot more psychic than they realize. I do think we can read minds to some extent. Have you ever looked at someone from a distance, even through glass & they look back? Happens all the time doesn't it? If you don't believe me go to a random place where you don't know anyone and sit in a window somewhere where many passerby's can see you through the window & without moving your head a bit, look into the eyes of people of the opposite gender & count how many times they look back. (Watch out that you don't creep anyone out though) Detectives know this & learn not to do it so not to let the followed person to know (but to rather follow them by watching their feet)
Yes, we do have some capability to read minds, some more than others but, of course, no one can read everyone's mind all the times, except God.
After thinking this all out, though, I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask God to prevent demons from being able to read our mind! That might be a good prayer
To me reading someone mind would be like, let’s say I was looking at a blank wall, or even looking out a window. What am I thinking about? Well that could be anything. God knows those thoughts. Now if I’m looking at tools, or guns or something similar, you’ll narrow it down pretty quick. Say I’m looking at a candy bar…my thoughts could be narrowed down to like “wow that’s expensive!” Or “dang, that looks good”. But looking out a window of a car I could be thinking about literally anything. A bird in a tree doesn’t have complex thoughts compared to us. It’s pretty basic. We could figure it out just by throwing some crackers on the ground. To Satan, not to give that fool of a shepherd any credit but, he’s very smart and crafty. And much much more intelligent than we are. We have zero chance going up against the actions of the devil. But, those who have Jesus and have God’s protection and advice/wisdom from the Holy Spirit, the devil has a much harder time because he isn’t all powerful. He doesn’t have those abilities. No angel does. Unless gifted from God himself.
Given to us by the Holy Catholic Church.
Unlike the Scriptures edited by Martin Luther, Catholics have seven books that were removed by the Protestants.
To as your many replies…there is no denomination mentioned in the Bible. The church, is the bride of Christ. That is what is mentioned. Catholics try to use one line of scripture, of Peter being the “rock”, to justify an entire belief system based, not on the teachings of Christ. Not all.
Understand Peter being labeled as “the rock”, is comical. Because even as Jesus states and refers to, Peter was anything but a rock, lol. But he was amazing in his belief in Jesus. But he is not to be worshipped. Peter cannot save you. He cannot advocate for you. This is basic scripture. Peter’s teachings and actions are those of his teacher and master. Jesus. That’s who gets the praise and credit. Amazing how many people Catholics place in between God and themselves. There is no one between you and Jesus. The live for Him should make it look like you hate your own family members. Luke 14:26
I am of no denomination. I’m a Christian. I have a teacher. And a book with His Word. I am apart of the church and Jesus refers to. The bride. No priest or preacher stands before my God. No man in a booth that forgives me. Only God can forgive me. You should learn the difference between man’s law, and God’s law.
Protestants simply remove books that they don’t agree with in order to justify their new, altered religion. That is why Protestant bibles continue to be missing 7 books.
I see a lot familiarities between Protestant & Jews. They both reject the divinity of the Lords mother & they both reject the Greek apocrypha to prevent Christian’s re-uniting under ONE Apostolic Church & preventing Jews from discovering the truth & converting. I can’t help but to think that the early Protestant revolution was largely influenced by Jews in order to weaken Christendom.
Here we are now, 500 years later, we are seeing Zionist Protestants being dragged by the nose to instigate WWIIl for their Zionist elders. I don’t think this is all a coincidence.
And who removed those books….the Catholic Church. Your pope. Here a bit from history for you. When something fails, it was never meant to be. It wasn’t from or for God. When the Catholic Church fails, as it doing very fashionable today, you will then understand, it was never meant to be. They said that about Jesus back in the day. The Pharisees, after the death of James, said look, if this Jesus is who they say He is, his ministry will continue, if it’s against God, it will fall away just like all then other false teachers before Him. Boy did they miss that one. LoL.
So, saying that this is simple. As people learn that certain “churches” are misrepresenting God’s Word, they are failing. As they should. If it’s meant to be, then it will be. God’s Word is clear. The teachings of Jesus are clear. The path is visible, walking it is the battle.
You might consider this to be to big an ask, but if you would, please educate me a bit on these 7 books. Can you give me a synopsis of what they teach? For instance, we know that Paul's writings to the various churches were about instruction, correction, upholding faith, his many travels as well as travails. So if one or more of those books is similar in nature, you could just say, it's a missions book like Paul's. But if there is anything significantly different, like a completely different doctrinal spin, or something that really stands out to you, please give me a synopsis. Thanks.
You do understand only God and Jesus can hear your prayers in your head. Not even the devil can hear your silent prayers. Which means neither can an archangel. God answers prayers. Jesus is the connection. Why pray to the created and not the creator?
God is all knowing, so he gets what he meant.
He does know. And you would rather pray to a creation of His, than to Him directly? Then why did God send His only Son to die? So we can pray to Michael? Why not pray to a tree. Or the sun? Maybe your tennis shoes? All God’s creations. See what I mean? An angle is a creation. Like me and you are. The scripture, Jesus lays it out very well. What did Christ do? Did Jesus pray to the Earth at the garden of Gethsemane? Did he pray to the sky to heal a blind man? Name one time when Jesus prayed for an angle to help Him? Never happened. So if Jesus is the only path to God, then why would anyone pray to an angle for help? If anything praying to another source outside of Christ and the Father is idolatry. And straight up wrong. God killed over 3,000 when they were praying to a golden calf.
We are not praying TO St. Michael. We are asking him to intercede for us. It’s good to have friends in high places.
That’s still praying to someone who ISN’T God. Which is a false idol. An angle isn’t going to do anything for you. Not until God commands it to. So again….why are you praying to an angle of the Lord? Key words, THE LORD.
u/#lord
We ask each other for prayers all the time, here on GAW even. Why not ask people already in heaven, who have direct access to the Throne, to also pray on your behalf? We are all one community, the church on earth and the church in heaven.
Who has direct access to the throne that advocates for you? The Bible is clear who that is. I know, you tell me. Anyone else advocating for you is made up fantasy. It wasn’t written, therefore false teachings.
I've wondered on that. Is there any scripture on it either way?
Quickly I found this for you.
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men”
God knows your heart. As in your mind, inner thoughts. The devil can read you like a book tho. The devil can show you a beautiful woman, and your mind will do the rest. The devil knows our hearts, he understands them. Our hearts can be evil. But only God possess the power to truly know you. And what your made of. Heart and mind.
Thank you, that actually clarifies a question I've had for a long time. At one point I was being spiritually attacked and it SEEMED like the devil could hear my silent prayers and then counter them with his own bs. But that was my own mind operating on the fears the devil had already seeded, taking them to their logical conclusions, operating within the framework the devil had set up there. It's good to have this closure on the matter, now I can have more confidence towards God in prayer. (I had been leaning more and more towards this conclusion but to hear it from someone else + a solid scripture puts me over the edge)
As my wife says a lot, say it out loud…to rebuke Satan. In Jesus’s name I rebuke you devil. Then saying out loud, give prayers to Jesus to rebuke this evil. Say it nice and loud so the devil gets a ear full. It works. I mean you don’t have to scream it and scare the neighbors…but basically use your voice. Yea as a new Christian a few years ago, I didn’t know the devil couldn’t read my mind either. I felt like he was in my head constantly. I eventually learned through lessons or scripture and church that it’s was more me, my mind doing what it does, but being manipulated by the devil. The devil calls us by our sins constantly. Jesus would never do this. There are many videos that helps in learning to decipher “the voice” we hear. From the Holy Spirit and not the enemy. But we are hit humans. We have to have daily prayer and “walk in the spirit”, as Paul talks about in the Bible. When our focus is on Jesus more, it silences the evil that surrounds us.
Put it this way the devil has millenia of experience reading human nature and tendencies so essentially he's making really good guesses based on how we have acted in the past as well as his knowledge of humankind. That's best explanation I've ever heard
he would have to be omniscient in order to hear your silent prayers. he isn't.
Thank God lol. So it's a one-way valve with that bugger. I wonder if it's a two-way for someone who is possessed, like the ones Christ cast the demons out of... is it possible for a Christian to be possessed? I've been told it isn't since we have the holy Spirit and the devil can't get near it
u/Cyberhawk
Lol when I first got born again I was of course into all these various preachers etc and they had me rebuking left and right like mad! Everything up in that house was getting a thorough rebuking! 😭 it was kinda manic. When I discovered "the Lord rebuke you satan" I let that stuff go, gave it to Jesus. That verse is one of the main reasons I don't talk to angels or demons or any of that now. Just my Saviour and Heavenly Father
Amen. Is it possible for a Christian to be possessed..hmm. I mean me personally, I would say no, for the reasons you stated, buuut, that one movie called The exorcist of Emily Rose. If you haven’t seen it, don’t watch it. I’m telling ya it invites evil. But she, supposedly, was a Christian, Catholic. And she got severely possessed. Show is crazy. I can’t watch it. I’ve watched it once since I’ve became a Christian and I’m telling you, I was attacked that night, severely. I’m a grown man, not any weakling, and I was the most afraid I’ve ever been in my life. Shedding tears and praying repeatedly to Jesus. My sins were being called all over me. The remarks I heard…and I mean heard. Not in my head. I’m getting chills typing this, so ima stop but. So I don’t know really. I would say no. The protection from God is to great. But we have to stay focused. Look to Jesus. We can’t fight these battles. But we can pray to the one who can and will, because he loves us so much.
I don't know why anyone believes angels can hear them? Unless they are praying out loud, of course. But even then, angels aren't omnipresent, so unless Michael is hanging out at their house with them, he's not hearing it. It probably embarrasses him that people do that.
Prayer is just a mode of communication, it is not worship (unless the content of the prayer is worship).
Worship God alone, but you can ask anyone, on earth or in heaven, to pray with you when petitioning God for something. The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community.
How do they hear you? Serious question.
So you’re just gonna change the subject? Yes, fellow Christians can pray with you. But we aren’t discussing that here. We are discussing praying to those for help, that isn’t God. Why change the subject?
Not exactly. Many can hear. Even some humans can 'mind read' & etc. I can sometimes read the thoughts & prayers of others. God is most powerful, yes. God alone is to be worshiped, yes. For us , anyways. There are some out there who worship Satan. That's what this whole battle about. If Satan can't hear their 'prayers' then why does the cabal have any power at all? I am afraid you are wrong, many can hear.
We can banish the devil with Jesus's name, yes, this is true. If so we can ask that the devil can not read our prayers & I suppose if you wanted to, you could ask the same for any other archangel, but why? "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan,......" This says that we are praying and we are also requesting the assistance of the mighty archangel. Worship belongs to God alone (for us) but you can request anything from anyone, including archangels. This was brilliantly written by Trump so that people of any faith can join us here. Though he is a Christian, he is a leader of not just Christians.
If I see some birds in a tree, flying around, singing..doing bird things. I get an idea. I’m gonna go throw bread crumbs and see if they fly down when I throw them on the ground under them. Now, what do you think will happen? Can I read their minds? No. Do I understand how they think? Yes. This is what the devil can do. He understand you, very well. He can read you. The devil knows if he gets a beautiful woman to come across your screen, your mind will do the rest. Doesn’t mean he can read your thoughts. He knows how you think, but not literally. Now, those birds may not be dumb enough to go after those crumbs. They may understand that I’m a threat and just fly away. Or they’ll do exactly what I want the to do. Manipulation. Temptation. This is what the devil does. Doesn’t make you a mind reader. And, it’s written in scripture that only God can read the hearts and minds. So no, not angels, not people. And yes, of course of God allows someone to. But again, that power belongs to the creator.
I upvoted you because you made a good argument however, I still disagree to some extent.
What does it mean to "read minds?" It means to know what they are thinking, right? So one could say that I can sometimes read the minds of birds but I sometimes get it wrong too. It sort of depends on what people mean by the phrase "read minds"
People are more complex. There are people you know so well that you can pretty much read their minds. Not always, but often. Does it matter that it has to do with a tiny inflection or facial muscle twitch. It's still reading the mind, isn't it? Maybe even machines can read our mind (Like the lie detector machine)
Maybe it is possible to actually read minds too. In the old days (before cell phones or caller id) it was often the case that, when the phone rang, we just knew that ring sounded like a certain person & it was usually correct. At least with me. Yes, I think people are a lot more psychic than they realize. I do think we can read minds to some extent. Have you ever looked at someone from a distance, even through glass & they look back? Happens all the time doesn't it? If you don't believe me go to a random place where you don't know anyone and sit in a window somewhere where many passerby's can see you through the window & without moving your head a bit, look into the eyes of people of the opposite gender & count how many times they look back. (Watch out that you don't creep anyone out though) Detectives know this & learn not to do it so not to let the followed person to know (but to rather follow them by watching their feet)
Yes, we do have some capability to read minds, some more than others but, of course, no one can read everyone's mind all the times, except God.
After thinking this all out, though, I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask God to prevent demons from being able to read our mind! That might be a good prayer
To me reading someone mind would be like, let’s say I was looking at a blank wall, or even looking out a window. What am I thinking about? Well that could be anything. God knows those thoughts. Now if I’m looking at tools, or guns or something similar, you’ll narrow it down pretty quick. Say I’m looking at a candy bar…my thoughts could be narrowed down to like “wow that’s expensive!” Or “dang, that looks good”. But looking out a window of a car I could be thinking about literally anything. A bird in a tree doesn’t have complex thoughts compared to us. It’s pretty basic. We could figure it out just by throwing some crackers on the ground. To Satan, not to give that fool of a shepherd any credit but, he’s very smart and crafty. And much much more intelligent than we are. We have zero chance going up against the actions of the devil. But, those who have Jesus and have God’s protection and advice/wisdom from the Holy Spirit, the devil has a much harder time because he isn’t all powerful. He doesn’t have those abilities. No angel does. Unless gifted from God himself.
According to Protestants…
More importantly, the scriptures.
Given to us by the Holy Catholic Church. Unlike the Scriptures edited by Martin Luther, Catholics have seven books that were removed by the Protestants.
Haha. Okay, sure.
To as your many replies…there is no denomination mentioned in the Bible. The church, is the bride of Christ. That is what is mentioned. Catholics try to use one line of scripture, of Peter being the “rock”, to justify an entire belief system based, not on the teachings of Christ. Not all. Understand Peter being labeled as “the rock”, is comical. Because even as Jesus states and refers to, Peter was anything but a rock, lol. But he was amazing in his belief in Jesus. But he is not to be worshipped. Peter cannot save you. He cannot advocate for you. This is basic scripture. Peter’s teachings and actions are those of his teacher and master. Jesus. That’s who gets the praise and credit. Amazing how many people Catholics place in between God and themselves. There is no one between you and Jesus. The live for Him should make it look like you hate your own family members. Luke 14:26
I am of no denomination. I’m a Christian. I have a teacher. And a book with His Word. I am apart of the church and Jesus refers to. The bride. No priest or preacher stands before my God. No man in a booth that forgives me. Only God can forgive me. You should learn the difference between man’s law, and God’s law.
Protestants simply remove books that they don’t agree with in order to justify their new, altered religion. That is why Protestant bibles continue to be missing 7 books.
I see a lot familiarities between Protestant & Jews. They both reject the divinity of the Lords mother & they both reject the Greek apocrypha to prevent Christian’s re-uniting under ONE Apostolic Church & preventing Jews from discovering the truth & converting. I can’t help but to think that the early Protestant revolution was largely influenced by Jews in order to weaken Christendom.
Here we are now, 500 years later, we are seeing Zionist Protestants being dragged by the nose to instigate WWIIl for their Zionist elders. I don’t think this is all a coincidence.
Oh, and please explain why you believe Mary is a deity? Is that in one of the seven books?
And who removed those books….the Catholic Church. Your pope. Here a bit from history for you. When something fails, it was never meant to be. It wasn’t from or for God. When the Catholic Church fails, as it doing very fashionable today, you will then understand, it was never meant to be. They said that about Jesus back in the day. The Pharisees, after the death of James, said look, if this Jesus is who they say He is, his ministry will continue, if it’s against God, it will fall away just like all then other false teachers before Him. Boy did they miss that one. LoL.
So, saying that this is simple. As people learn that certain “churches” are misrepresenting God’s Word, they are failing. As they should. If it’s meant to be, then it will be. God’s Word is clear. The teachings of Jesus are clear. The path is visible, walking it is the battle.
You might consider this to be to big an ask, but if you would, please educate me a bit on these 7 books. Can you give me a synopsis of what they teach? For instance, we know that Paul's writings to the various churches were about instruction, correction, upholding faith, his many travels as well as travails. So if one or more of those books is similar in nature, you could just say, it's a missions book like Paul's. But if there is anything significantly different, like a completely different doctrinal spin, or something that really stands out to you, please give me a synopsis. Thanks.
Hey they put Revelation back, so there is that.