Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
We can all "mediate" for each other--that's what someone asks for when they ask for prayers. There are prayer requests all the time here on GAW! The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
Who said anything about praying TO anyone besides Jesus? I’m so fatigued regarding certain individuals who are unable to accept some of us actually ask those for help who have attained spiritual perfection and are enjoying the beatific vision of our Heavenly Father. I suggest you pluck the 2x4 out of your eye before you comment on the speck in mine. This conversation is going nowhere. You stay in your congregation and I’ll stay in mine. I’m done.
It's the experts that got us into this whole quagmire in the 1st place, silly.
BTW "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince...." is saying that we are praying (to God I presume) and ALSO requesting help of an archangel. It was brilliantly writing not to exclude anyone of any faith - except, of course, those that side with satan.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
Ok. Enough. St. Paul wrote in his letters how he prayed for the early Church. How many people approached Jesus in his earthly life for another? We are all aware that Jesus is the one Mediator. We ask our heavenly brothers and sisters to pray for us. Do you have a mom and dad? One of them was the boss. One was the soft touch. How many times did you go to the other one first to pave the way for you? My girls used to come to me with “Can you talk to Dad for us?” It’s much the same way with Our Lady and the Saints. Sinner as I am, I’m ashamed to approach Almighty God. There’s safety in numbers. I’ll rely on, and ask for, my heavenly friends to pray for me. You do you. I’ll do me. We’re all on the same side. And I’ll pray for you♥️🙏🏻♥️
That’s wrong. The only mediator is Jesus Christ. Mary isn’t going to advocate for you before the Father. No angel would dare stand up to the Father for your sins. Only one can. Jesus. To confuse this is to completely misrepresent who Jesus is. And why God sent His son. So yea I agree enough. Enough of the..whatever this false god worship is..?
We can all "mediate" for each other--that's what someone asks for when they ask for prayers. There are prayer requests all the time here on GAW! The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
Stay in the subject.
Huge category error and logical fallacy.
There's a massive difference between asking someone to pray for you and praying to someone / something to intercede / meditate on your behalf.
If you choose to be separated from God then you are under deception. Shame isn't from God, it's an attack from the devil.
You do you. When we see God face to face it’ll be sorted out. Until then you’ll continue in my prayers.
"you do you" isn't a Christian position.
We are called to be salt and light and test everything with scripture, including our own positions, not to be passive and say "you do you"
This is something you should seek and examine answer to by examining the scriptures and perhaps speaking with your qualified pastors or elders. Not for me but for yourself.
You are welcome to pray for me all you like. I have no problem with that. Again, this discussion is about praying TO angels, saints or anyone besides God. You keep making a basic category error.
Who said anything about praying TO anyone besides Jesus? I’m so fatigued regarding certain individuals who are unable to accept some of us actually ask those for help who have attained spiritual perfection and are enjoying the beatific vision of our Heavenly Father. I suggest you pluck the 2x4 out of your eye before you comment on the speck in mine. This conversation is going nowhere. You stay in your congregation and I’ll stay in mine. I’m done.
Your discussion is about argument and accusing others of not being good enough Christians while the thread is about praying for DJT and nothing more.
Stop eating your own.
Qualified pastors or elders???!!! kek
It's the experts that got us into this whole quagmire in the 1st place, silly.
BTW "...we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince...." is saying that we are praying (to God I presume) and ALSO requesting help of an archangel. It was brilliantly writing not to exclude anyone of any faith - except, of course, those that side with satan.
I don't see anything wrong in what you are saying.
Of course we can request help from archangels! Worship only God but we are always free to ask anything of anyone. Trump wrote this in a brilliant way to not exclude anyone of any faith - (except, of course, those that side with satan.) He may be a Christian himself but he is a leader of not only Christians.
No, actually, it's the same thing. The church on earth and the church in heaven are one community. We can ALL pray for each other.
Okay give me ONE example from scripture of Jesus or the apostles or the OT prophets praying to anyone besides God or asking any angles or saints in heaven to pray / intercede for them that backs up that claim.
I'll wait.
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If you exclude the parts of prayer to false gods, like the priests of baals prayer to bring down fire, all prayer in scripture is to God or Christ.
Why didn't the disciples pray TO Elijah?
He was raptured to heaven so we know he is alive. The disciples never did it once!
But, there are verses in scripture warning not to pray to people that have died, that includes the saints.
Shhhh handshake. I wasn't making fun of anyone.
But now I will....
You're kinda dumb. My proof is what we see in scripture and what we see demonstrated by Jesus, the apostles and clear as day verses like 1 Timothy 2:5
You have no proof. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Just "maybe" "it's possible"
I don't deal in "what ifs" when it comes to God's Word.
I like you Anon, keep fighting for the Biblical truth
Serious question from someone raised catholic, first holy communion, confirmation, went to catholic school, etc. Not looking for an argument.
When you pray to Mary or Michael, do you do it audibly or do you pray silently? Because they're not omniscient, so if you're praying silently, they're not going to hear you.
And they're also not omnipresent, so unless they just happen to be hanging around your house or wherever you are, they're not going to hear you even if you are praying aloud.
So how do you contend with that?
We have faith that our prayers are heard, we hope our prayers are heard, and we pray charitably. Faith, hope, charity.