And loggers, and oil rig workers, and people who refused the jab, and people in millions of businesses that went out due to covid shut downs —- and truckers facing extreme EPA rules, and workers losing jobs due to overseas relocations of industry, and farmers and ranchers—- it just goes on!
No liberal tears for anyone except themselves.
I'm in the pool buisness in the Southwest. I can assure you we are 85 or 90 percent hard working legal citizens. At least on the service and repair side. New pool construction and remodel laborers on the other hand, might be the exact opposite percentages.
Do you remember that announcement - Japan and Saudi Arabia are investing trillions of dollars? Also, manufacturers are moving back to the States. There are plenty of jobs for everyone. You can even create things and sell online or become content creators. Plenty of things to do. Most of the time it’s up to the individual. When there’s a will, there’s a way. Just say NO to drugs.
Maybe these ex-high payed corporate people can pool money together and start a farm, grow own food, ranch cows, make our own US version of KOBE beef..now that'd be something! Start their own business.. I see so many empty stores and buildings everything is run down, alot of companies left for China during the Obama era.. bring them back.
Idk why we need the government for networking. We want small govt not big ones. And we have platforms like Linkln for networking and recruiting. Some people can also start bulletin boards on platforms for that sprt of thing. It's time we become independent and creative instead of constantly relying on govt. Free market is always encouraged.
I was also thinking about why people think AI will replace many jobs because there are many things that don't use AI at all such as Arts and Crafts, producing quality products that require time and effort, constructions, landscaping, fixing things, woodworking, farming, cooking. If you go to Asia people actually work with their hands and they're more fulfilled and do not have mental health problems like we do here. People are just used to a certain way and easy way out, that's the problem.
Again, Rome wasn't built in a day. What the MSM conveniently leaves out of their stories is that every last federal employee who got or gets fired is eligible for unemployment and a fleet of career helps.
You're free to remain cranked up about this. But I believe that most will land well in other jobs in the short term.
And those who don't take advantage of those career helps? That's on them.
Unfairly laying it on Trump? It's just more scapegoating. As if we need more of that right now.
Far better to a) lay the blame on every past bureaucrat who helped to grow the federal government to be the monstrosity it is today, and b) offer up suggestions as to how you yourself would prompt job creation for fired federal employees.
If you can't do that, yours is a pretty hollow opinion.
Agreed. I've been fired, laid off, downsized, etc plenty of times. It sucks. It's a major life upending experience. I'm sure a lot of the folks being fired are flaming leftists, but I don't care who it they are. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Presumably lot of them are simply people who took a job when they needed a job, did it as well as they could and if hit with some doubts as to whether what they were doing was okay, when what they were doing did have more or less morally dubious parts, had comforted themselves with the thought that if not them the job might have been taken by somebody with no moral qualms, and baby needs shoes and food anyway and resigning would make no difference for anybody but them so might as well stay.
And most of them nice enough individuals you can, and probably should, feel sympathy for if they are among the ones who now are losing that job.
But, well, no matter how often that saying about eggs and omelets has been used to justify something bad, it still is true. You can't make changes, even changes that will in general improve things, without also hitting people who probably would not deserve getting hit. And sometimes changes have to be done. Maybe those people now losing their jobs will because of those changes have a better chance of finding new jobs in a few months or year or two. Maybe not. But if the changes need to be done you just have to do them, and dealing with their problems is up to the people who get hit, as it mostly always is. They are not the first ones to suffer when something changes, nor are they the last, but hopefully with those changes being done there will in general be fewer people suffering in the future, and that is worth breaking some eggs now.
And anyway, with the way things have been evolving during the last decades, you just plain can't trust that the job you have now is going to be the one you retire from anyway. Hasn't been like that for some generations now, mostly the ones now living who had that assurance that they might very well have the same job in the same company their whole working life have already retired. Those government jobs have been among the few left where that might have been possible. Maybe it's just time for them to start dealing with that fact by now too.
That "most of them do what their bosses tell them to do" is what most people in all jobs do, no matter what. It does take somewhat exceptional person to quit a well paying and secure seeming job even if it looks a bit shady, even more so for somebody to become a whistleblower. I am not willing to condemn people for being merely normal humans, and I can feel sympathy for them because I am not sure if I would have done any better, or if anybody I know, including some individuals who are among the nicest I know, would have either.
Most of them are "the people", not some special breed outside of normal humans.
There's a certain irony, in that their learn to code advice, by some measures, may be a failing strategy due to AI.
Personally, I have my doubts about this given the garbage that's being shoveled into AI to "train" it, but given my low opinion of the managerial class, I assume they'll be all in on it anyway until they've torpedoed a good number of companies and then come up with some buzzword that basically equates to hiring competent coders back.
Same as "they" reacted when workers refused the jab.
Exactamundo.
YES there was NO SYMPATHY for laborers in the industries they, by fiat, declared obsolete!
Necessary collateral damage according to the elites!
Turnabout is fair play.
If they are so bright, they will do wonders in the private sector
LOL YES!
Learn to coal(mine).
Kek.
I say the same! Instead of learning to code, they can learn to mine!
And loggers, and oil rig workers, and people who refused the jab, and people in millions of businesses that went out due to covid shut downs —- and truckers facing extreme EPA rules, and workers losing jobs due to overseas relocations of industry, and farmers and ranchers—- it just goes on!
No liberal tears for anyone except themselves.
This.
They can learn to clean toilets and replace the illegals.
Agreed.
You forgot: clean swimming pools.
I'm in the pool buisness in the Southwest. I can assure you we are 85 or 90 percent hard working legal citizens. At least on the service and repair side. New pool construction and remodel laborers on the other hand, might be the exact opposite percentages.
Obvious oversight on my part.
Trump will have to create a ton of new jobs. Yes.. we need to shrink our government down.
But having massive amounts of people jobless is a BAD THING!!!
Anyone LOVING people losing their jobs is an ASSHOLE!
I want them out of the public sector. While I want them to find work in the private sector.
Right now Trump is killing jobs. OK.. then fucking start creating NEW JOBS!
I do not like seeing people out of work.
Do you remember that announcement - Japan and Saudi Arabia are investing trillions of dollars? Also, manufacturers are moving back to the States. There are plenty of jobs for everyone. You can even create things and sell online or become content creators. Plenty of things to do. Most of the time it’s up to the individual. When there’s a will, there’s a way. Just say NO to drugs.
I agree.
But a lot of companies are now becoming their own DOGE. They are looking to downsize. Not bring on new people.
Maybe these ex-high payed corporate people can pool money together and start a farm, grow own food, ranch cows, make our own US version of KOBE beef..now that'd be something! Start their own business.. I see so many empty stores and buildings everything is run down, alot of companies left for China during the Obama era.. bring them back.
I would love to see that happen.
From a government standpoint. I think the government should help with the networking standpoint of helping applicants find opportunities.
They could even network with recruiters.
Then let the free market work.
Idk why we need the government for networking. We want small govt not big ones. And we have platforms like Linkln for networking and recruiting. Some people can also start bulletin boards on platforms for that sprt of thing. It's time we become independent and creative instead of constantly relying on govt. Free market is always encouraged. I was also thinking about why people think AI will replace many jobs because there are many things that don't use AI at all such as Arts and Crafts, producing quality products that require time and effort, constructions, landscaping, fixing things, woodworking, farming, cooking. If you go to Asia people actually work with their hands and they're more fulfilled and do not have mental health problems like we do here. People are just used to a certain way and easy way out, that's the problem.
Any form of networking is a plus! I love networking.
Any help in that aspect is always a good thing.
I am not saying you don’t do it in your own. I am saying I want a limited government that exist to do common sense things.
Networking is a common sense thing to me.
I understand that. But a job for me is not just a paycheck.
It's a way for people to discover their purpose in life.
So I am always going to be on the side of massive job creation.
I am an entrepreneur. I use to say "Why doesn't everyone just start a business".
I have come to realize. The majority of people don't have the passion to actually be the business owner.
That's when I changed my thinking about work in general.
I agree with what you are saying.
We will see what happens.
Cutting the chaff from the wheat is part of the process.
Blaming Trump for correcting course is like blaming the doctor for the pain of the pinprick when he applies a life-saving injection.
No.. I am saying this has to happen. BUT... we need to redirect these people to new opportunties.
I am not seeing a lot of that right now. I am seeing tons of downsizing.
I am not seeing a counter balance of new opportunities.
Again, Rome wasn't built in a day. What the MSM conveniently leaves out of their stories is that every last federal employee who got or gets fired is eligible for unemployment and a fleet of career helps.
You're free to remain cranked up about this. But I believe that most will land well in other jobs in the short term.
And those who don't take advantage of those career helps? That's on them.
I know this dude.
I am saying that there needs to more effort in job creation.
I am not backing down on that.
You do you. I too remain unbending in this:
Unfairly laying it on Trump? It's just more scapegoating. As if we need more of that right now.
Far better to a) lay the blame on every past bureaucrat who helped to grow the federal government to be the monstrosity it is today, and b) offer up suggestions as to how you yourself would prompt job creation for fired federal employees.
If you can't do that, yours is a pretty hollow opinion.
Not blaming anyone.
I am just stating.
More job creation needs to be a focus.
I seeing tons of people on LinkedIn no adding the "Ready to Work" icon on their profile.
I have never seen this many people doing that. It's tough out there.
I want people to work. So let's get moving on that front.
Look.
The DOGE people are all about speed of results of moving FAST right? Ok... then they should also be moving fast creating new jobs as well.
Actually, you opened by blaming Trump.
Agreed. I've been fired, laid off, downsized, etc plenty of times. It sucks. It's a major life upending experience. I'm sure a lot of the folks being fired are flaming leftists, but I don't care who it they are. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I have been laid off before as well: These people have families.
There are kids involved as well. I want this administration to abolish income taxes.
I actually think that’s a quick way to push the middle class to spend on things.
Which can increase demand in many different businesses.
Lowering the corporate tax rate to 15 percent could also help companies keep staff.
I had wondered where the "learn to code" came from. I didn't know it was about that. I'm glad you mentioned it.
Here you go.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-new-hampshire-campaign-code-1479913
Thank you, fren. I'll check it out now.
Presumably lot of them are simply people who took a job when they needed a job, did it as well as they could and if hit with some doubts as to whether what they were doing was okay, when what they were doing did have more or less morally dubious parts, had comforted themselves with the thought that if not them the job might have been taken by somebody with no moral qualms, and baby needs shoes and food anyway and resigning would make no difference for anybody but them so might as well stay.
And most of them nice enough individuals you can, and probably should, feel sympathy for if they are among the ones who now are losing that job.
But, well, no matter how often that saying about eggs and omelets has been used to justify something bad, it still is true. You can't make changes, even changes that will in general improve things, without also hitting people who probably would not deserve getting hit. And sometimes changes have to be done. Maybe those people now losing their jobs will because of those changes have a better chance of finding new jobs in a few months or year or two. Maybe not. But if the changes need to be done you just have to do them, and dealing with their problems is up to the people who get hit, as it mostly always is. They are not the first ones to suffer when something changes, nor are they the last, but hopefully with those changes being done there will in general be fewer people suffering in the future, and that is worth breaking some eggs now.
And anyway, with the way things have been evolving during the last decades, you just plain can't trust that the job you have now is going to be the one you retire from anyway. Hasn't been like that for some generations now, mostly the ones now living who had that assurance that they might very well have the same job in the same company their whole working life have already retired. Those government jobs have been among the few left where that might have been possible. Maybe it's just time for them to start dealing with that fact by now too.
Most of them do what their bosses tell them to do.
They are the problem.
Not the people.
That "most of them do what their bosses tell them to do" is what most people in all jobs do, no matter what. It does take somewhat exceptional person to quit a well paying and secure seeming job even if it looks a bit shady, even more so for somebody to become a whistleblower. I am not willing to condemn people for being merely normal humans, and I can feel sympathy for them because I am not sure if I would have done any better, or if anybody I know, including some individuals who are among the nicest I know, would have either.
Most of them are "the people", not some special breed outside of normal humans.
Learn to code
There's a certain irony, in that their learn to code advice, by some measures, may be a failing strategy due to AI.
Personally, I have my doubts about this given the garbage that's being shoveled into AI to "train" it, but given my low opinion of the managerial class, I assume they'll be all in on it anyway until they've torpedoed a good number of companies and then come up with some buzzword that basically equates to hiring competent coders back.