What would Jesus do?
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From the Article; ...it remained a high priority for the Vatican and her Free Masonic foot soldiers as was evidenced by a letter written 80 years later from Confederate Army General Albert Pike, a high Freemason and the founder of the Ku Klux Klan, the purpose of which was to exploit racial hatred to keep populations divided and easy to control.
Albert Pike, though a high ranking member of the KKK was not a founder.
The KKK is a Protestant organization not a Catholic organization. The KKK is Anti-Catholic.
The second Klan, broadened the scope of the organization to appeal to people in the Midwestern and Western states who considered Catholics, Jews, and foreign-born minorities to be anti-American.
The Second Klan saw threats from every direction. According to historian Brian R. Farmer, "two-thirds of the national Klan lecturers were Protestant ministers"
I know, it's a 180 from what we're told. We also know the open policy of Rome is anti-Freemasonry, but that is also showing signs of being more nuanced. https://www.asianews.it/news-en/Vatileaks.-There's-a-little-of-everything-in-the-documents-seized-from-Gabriele:-the-Pope's-letters,-plus-papers-on-Freemasonry,-esotericism,-the-P2-Lodge,-Calvi,-Berlusconi,-yoga,-Buddhism-25989.html
The Founding Fathers were Freemasons. The original Freemasons were more Gnostic in their beliefs, which is why, in my opinion, they were infiltrated by the R.C.C. slightly before the Civil War. The R.C.C. again were trying to eradicate Gnosticism.
The R.C.C. hijacked Christianity and Freemasonry.
The Gnostic teach that the God of this world is an Evil God. Jesus claims this also;
John 8:44
You (the Jews) belong to your father (Yhwh), the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
False. Jesus was drawing a distinction between the adherents of God and the adherents of the devil, according to their willingness to hear (or not hear) His Word. He did not call God the devil. Reading passages 31-47 makes that clear.
I never said he was speaking to the Jews at large. I quoted verse 31: To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples".
This is not what I read at all, verse 32-33: Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. 33 ”They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
The Jews thought that Jesus was speaking of "physical" slavery, but he was speaking of "spiritual" slavery, the slavery of sin. Jesus clarifies this in the next verse, Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
The following verses is where it gets confusing because they are speaking about three different fathers; Abraham, Yhwh, and Jesus' Father/God.
Im using the NIV version of the Bible for this argument.
Jesus says in verse 37 I know you are Abraham descendants yet you are looking for a way to kill me.
That is a very important YET, Jesus knows Abraham is a good guy and would trust in what Jesus was teaching Yet, the Jews want to kill him for his teachings. Jesus goes against their father's laws given to Moses
Verse 38 clarifies this; I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.
Jesus is distinguishing The Father from your father. This also confused the Jews because the next verse the Jews say, "Abraham is our father". In the next verse Jesus clarifies again that Abraham is righteous.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
Its clear that Jesus is talking about Three Different Fathers.
Jesus never says the name of his father.
Yhwh is never mentioned by name in the New Testament.
In the first part of John 8, Jesus goes against Yhwh's laws given to Moses, this is why the Jews want to kill him. This is how we know Jesus is against Yhwh because He said not to stone the woman.
John 8:19 - They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father". If Yhwh was Jesus' father they would know who he is.
Yhwh is mention 50 times in the Old Testament and is stated in
Isaiah 63:16
אַתָּ֤ה - ’at-tāh - You [are]
יְהוָה֙ - Yah-weh - Yahweh
אָבִ֔ינוּ - ’ā-ḇî-nū, - Our Father
Jesus is calling the father of the Jews, Yahweh the Devil.
No, Jesus was saying the Jews wanted to kill him because of his words, and were following their fathers desires by trying to kill him.
verse 44 ...and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer...
Yhwh is a known murder in the Old Testament, He commanded his people to commit genocide, killed little children, wiped out the entire world population in one fell swoop, sent plagues and devastation, and created a world full of people but decided to only reveal Himself and his rules to one group of people.
This Is Not Jesus' Father.
You are telling me nothing new, except to involve the name Yahweh, which I never found in my Bible (Geneva). The point is, he was speaking to those Jews who were speaking TO HIM. Not about all Jews
What the hell are you talking about? I never said he was speaking to all Jews and I addressed this in my last reply to you. It was the first sentence, You might want to take a reading comprehension class.
Winn and my discussion was on if he was speaking to the Pharisees or the Jews that believed in him or both. Which wasn't even the main argument, the main argument was is Yhwh an Evil God or a Benevolent God.
It is true that the RCC, via the Jesuit Order, infiltrated Freemasonry, which at the time did not appear to be a nefarious group, though a Christian could likely call it harmful to faith in Christ. Regardless of that, the man who started the Illuminati was trained by the Jesuits and was a professor at Canon Law. The Illuminati started in 1776, right as America's government was being formed. They soon infiltrated America through the masonic lodges. You now had a parallel, and nefarious side of Freemasonry doing all it could to make sure America's sovereign growth was stifled, undermining it at every turn. And now history is a blur; one can't help but presume malice on the part of our Founders due to them being a part of the now tarnished 'Freemasonry'.
As to the 'good God / evil God' thing, that's called Marcionism. It is a false teaching promulgated by people who haven't had the holy Spirit open the eyes of their understanding, and so they cannot read the Old Testament properly. Give me a verse you have a problem with in the Old Testament and I'll show you why it's there. Jesus wasn't calling YHWH the devil, he was telling the Scribes and Pharisees that they did not know YHWH (even though they knew about YHWH) and that they were in fact children of the devil, not of YHWH like they presumed.
In the Hebrew mind, being a child of someone doesn't only mean you're descended from them, but also that you take after their character. What Jesus was saying was that they did not take after the character of YHWH.
YHWH is not an evil God. YHWH punishes evil and delights in what is right and good.
u/AmateurExpert or u/LateToTheShow might have more thoughts on this
...one can't help but presume malice on the part of our Founders due to them being a part of the now tarnished 'Freemasonry'. - What's your opinion of their documents then? Specifically the Constitution, how do you square that?
I strongly disagree, Jesus says "You belong to your father, the devil", nothing about Scribes or Pharisees in John 8, what version of the Bible are you using? Where do you read that he is speaking to Scribes and Pharisees? Yhwh is the Jews Father, Whom Jesus calls the Devil.
I think Q even hinted at this:
QPost #998
The "Chair" serves the Master.
Who is the Master?
P = C.
Q
QPost #290
[Thor]
Thor being a Norse God points us to the Rune.
P = The Rune P
P = Thor (Thunraz)
C = The Rune C
C = Ulcer = a moral blemish or corrupting influence
Confirms Thor is "The Master"
Thor = Indra / Zeus / Yahweh (all Storm/Rain Gods, all the same God)
The God of the Winged Wheel Coin confirms Yhwh is the same as Zeus.
No, he was not speaking to "Jews" at large. He was speaking to Jews who thought that descent from Abraham was all they needed to be sons of God. Jesus was pointing out that being so depended on whether they heeded the Word of God, not whether they were descendants of Abraham. And if they did not heed the Word of God, they were children of the devil.
1000000% false.
Marcionism is a definite heresy, and I don’t throw that word around lightly. There are plenty of sketchy doctrines that can be overlooked, but that’s not one of them.
Among the many questions you’re bypassing to make that claim - and I’m not going to bring up everything I could:
I’m not going to tell you more than that because in your current state, you would just trample it, but I assure you, there are few things that I will assert that I know with 100% certainty, and it is that Yeshua came in accordance with YHWH’s Will, which is good.
However you came to this conclusion, you should look at it again with fresh eyes. If YHWH is false, Jesus is false, and Christianity is false. You cannot remove the foundation and still have the building. YHWH’s character is not false. Yeshua’s character is not false. Lots of “Christian” doctrine is false. Go back to the scriptures and re-examine your foundational principles and understandings.
u/winn
Its originally a Gnostic concept, not Marcionism, Its arguable weather Marcion was a Gnostic or not. Marcion believed Jesus was not human, I do and so do the Gnostics. I lean toward Gnosticism.
I can't take anyone's argument seriously when they label something as heresy. Its a close minded. Orthodoxy believe that the Christian Faith and the Church are inseparable. It is impossible to know Christ, to share in the life of the Holy Trinity, or to be considered a Christian, apart from the Church. It is in the Church that the Christian Faith is proclaimed and maintained. I can't think of a better way to stifle free thought and control religious freedom than to subscribe to Orthodoxy and fear being called a Heretic, go use your Fear based rhetoric somewhere else. It carries no meaning for my scholarly pursuits. Your a sheep, being lead to slaughter by your shepherd. [Q Post #290/#998]
Moses also followed YHWH (“I Am, that I Am”)
So. He follows a god that is so deceitful he won't give us his real name? If you know a Demon's name you can control them and cast them out. [Mark:5-9-10]
Who, specifically was Jesus speaking to?
His Father. I could ask you the same question, because no where in the New Testament does it refer to Yhwh by name, unlike the Old Testament. All we know is he is speaking to his father.
Who were they?
See above.
How would Jesus have denounced his own house?
I take it you mean Why not How. I'll take House to mean the Jews in general and not Judah and to go against Yhwh and his laws. Mathew 12:9-14, John 8:1-11, Mark 7:19, ect, ect.
Whose character had they adopted? (They were already far from written Torah practice)
Can you clarify? I have no clue to what you're referring.
I'll take that you mean by my current state as awakened to the false teachings of the R.C.C. that high jacked Christianity and metastasized throughout all Christian based Churches and their doctrine. You are on a Q board you should know this, unless you are just here to preach fire and brimstone and virtue signal as I suspect. You should know that 10000000000000000000000000000000000000% of Churches are compromised through NGO's from this Q board.
And by trample you mean, I would totally crush your Orthodoxy arguments.
Honestly, this statement set the tone for my entire reply. Not very Christian of you. You Fraud. And on Easter none the less. Typical.
Prove it. 100% Bullshit if you can't prove it. I really don't care what you believe you lost all credibility with me as soon as you said Heresy. You are "Fire and Brimstone", preaching fear
That's False.
You sure as hell can.
How about NO!
How about we just let people believe what they want to, instead of force feeding them your regurgitated points of view. How about we admit that no one knows a 10000000000000000000000000% if God exists. How about we just have a friendly debate to find the holes in our own augments and respect other beliefs, but I think thats to much to ask from an Orthodox Christian who thinks he has a mission to proselytize and convert everyone into a free-thinkers nightmare.
I believe in most of Jesus' teachings, weather from the Bible or Gnostic texts, is that not enough for you, I need to agree with your Orthodoxy 100000000000000000%, you'd make a great democrat, why don't you go back and re-examine your foundational principles and understandings. The R.C.C. would love to have you become a democrat to complete your orthodoxy. Idiot.
I believe God, in His divine purposes on the earth, inspired the Constitution, through and despite imperfect men.
You need to go back to the beginning of John 8. Look at verse 3 and verse 13 specifically to understand Jesus' audience during this passage. Verse 44 isn't a stand-alone passage, it has a ton of context.
As to all that rune stuff I think you're going into absurdity. Afaik the P and C posts were related to the Vatican and the pope.
If you really think Jesus was calling the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the devil, you need to do some serious research and reading the OT. The NT is literally laced with OT references and Jesus Himself made a ton of them. What He was saying to those Pharisees could be summed up like this:
"You say you're the children of YHWH, but you're actually the children of the devil"
I’ve read claims that something like 75% of the NT is either alluding to or direct copy/paste of the OT, including Revelation.
The Gospels for certain are highly referenced.
Let me preface this by saying, You're a good debater. I'm not trying to change your beliefs or trying to get you to think a certain way, Im merely trying to strengthen my arguments and theories, to find the "holes". Much Respect, your knowledge has helped. I'm interested to know your denomination.
Also, my last reply was somewhat incomplete in addressing someof the points you made. It was late and Gutfeld was coming on so I fired off the reply to quickly. I will address those now.
I would consider my views more Gnostic than Marcionism, the differences being Marcionism denies the human nature of Jesus (docetic), and base their theology on The Letters of Paul, where as the Gnostics base their theology on secret knowledge. There is much debate on weather Maricon was a Gnostic or not.
I believe that if you study the Bible it will eventually reveal its secretes to you, "Seek and you shall find." I truly believe it is divinely inspired and will reveal to any individual the answers they need/require. This is why Im opposed to organized religion, I don't feel they encourage individual thought or individual study of the Bible, at least the churches I've known.
If you claim to not trust the Pharisees and the Scribes does this mean you also do not trust Paul's writings, a Pharisee?
Do you lean more towards the Sadducees? If so, I would assume you favor the Septuagint over the Masoretic Texts, the Sadducees being more Hellenistic. I would agree, I use the Septuagint for studying the Bible.
In the Septuagint Micah 6:8 is translated as
Has it [not] been told thee, O man, what [is] good? or what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justice, and love mercy, and be ready to walk with the Lord thy God?
The Greek word ἀνηγγέλη is translated as to mock, or to be laughed at NOT told as the Masoretic states, so I translate it as
You are being Mocked, The beautiful man who says, "The Lord (Yhwh) seeks to disable you" Indeed, Otherwise why bring about judgement, and destroy love and compassion. Be ready to find the Lord God in the midst of yourself.
I can show you my complete translation if interested.
I am fully against the "fire and brimstone" type of rhetoric, I wrestle with God and I think that he approves, I believe we are here to learn good from evil and to question everything not just swallow what we are given mindlessly.
You are correct that I didn't go back to verse 1, I went back to verse 31, the last place it stated to whom Jesus was speaking. The last place he was speaking to the Pharisees was 13. Besides I believe they all claim the same father, they all claim to be Jews as far as I know their conflict was with purity laws, not what God they worshiped.
Q #290 does show a picture of Thor below the Pope and a Bishop, I don't think its that absurd to use the Norse runes, if he's showing a picture of a Norse God.
And the God of the Winged Wheel God coin validates the ancients saw Zeus and Yhwh as the same God.
Q states that the Chair severs the Master, well I can tell you the R.C.C. is not serving the same Loving God as I try to, for sure and I think Q is saying the same thing and is showing us that Thor is who the R.C.C. is serving. Why else show a picture of Thor below the Pope?
I study every religion, nothing is off the table. I think they are all telling the same story from different viewpoints.
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