Good friend has interesting take; "The lineage that kills Jesus still exists today"
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A good friend of mine wants to know if there is any possibility that the lineage that was in power at the time that killed Jesus Christ were the same lineage of the order of Elites that exist in power on a global scale today.
This is a discussion that I haven't seen on the boards so I would like to get some input on it
I killed Jesus
He wouldn't have allowed himself to go to the cross if it weren't for my sin. Because of the price he paid for me with his own blood, I am saved from eternity in hell and get to spend eternity with him in heaven.
Every follower of Jesus can make the same claim.
So based... I salute you fellow sinner.
This. And Jesus please forgive the scripturally illiterate downvoters for they know not what they do. 😬
This is very much an 'I AM SPARTACUS' moment. We all killed Jesus, He HAD to die to save me from my sin. It had to be this way. Jesus was the original WWG1WGA, and he went to the grave with all of us, so that we could be resurrected with Him.
100% accurate and true, amen!
2000 years ago is roughly 80 generations. Roughly 40x the people alive today vs back then. We're all basically related to the people who killed Jesus at this point. And when you look at people within the same region, chances are there are many common ancestors going back that far.
yes, I think so. two different 'types' of people in this world, and there is enmity between them...
John 8:21-30
Dispute Over Who Jesus Is
21 Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”
22 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”
23 But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
25 “Who are you?” they asked. “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied.
26 “I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.”
30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him.
John Hopkins University did a DNA test on the people of israel. Less than 3% of the people of Israel had any original Hebrew blood in them and those that did had only about 1% of ancient Hebrew blood.
The people who were in power - that would be Augustus Ceasar. However the people who were responsible for the death would be the Pharisees and the other sect of Jewish people that would have been the lineage of the current day Banksters / Satanists.
In the series Mystery Babylon Bill Cooper has outlined the continuity of this Satanis occultists from the earliest days of Isis worship all the way through the Roman Empire, Templars, Rosecrucians, etc to the current day Cabal.
So I would say, very roughly speaking, the answer is Yes.
The lineage and ancestry records of true Jews was kept in the Temple.
The temple was destroyed in 70AD by God and those records with it so no one can claim to be a Jew. (Although many tribes claim to be these days)
God did this in purpose. There is no Jew or Gentile. There are those that are in Christ and those that are not.
And according to the Romans, this is the essence of Christ taught us. Anyone can be with God by following the path that Jesus showed.
Essentially all the old prophecies were fulfilled and the teachings in Old Testament was "reset" with Jesus's simplified teachings, so there was no need for anyone to be a Jew.
I would presume so. The same thing could be asked of the descendants of nazis. And that regime was in power much more recently.
Nice shoehorn there
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Looking at the people in world today, I would say the lineage is apparent and still exist
The so-called "elites" of today are not "jewish" genetically, they are eastern European ashkenazi, descended from the khazars, however the khazars were descended from edomites. The Pharisees were also edomites, in particular King Herod (who tried to kill baby Jesus) was an edomite. Whether the modern ashkenazi are descended of the pharisees that betrayed Jesus is a bit unknowable. The khazarian empire began in the 6th century, so there was plenty of time for that to be the case, but I've not seen anyone claim to have evidence to that effect. The khazars were defeated and forced to convert to an abrahamic religion by a Russian Czar, and they chose to be jewish because they were already Babylonian talmudic religiously, as they were edomites and so are the biblical "jews" that rejected christ (the "tradition of the elders" is the talmud). This suggests that the khazars were not already "jews", else they would not have needed to "convert" (can you really call converting from one talmudic religion to another a conversion?), which then logically implies that they could not have been directly related to the pharisees of Jesus' time. It's plausible, but I think unlikely- I think they were probably different branches of edomites which are not directly related through physical genetic lineage.
I thought they became Jewish through conversion for strategic safety reasons when forced to convert.
I've seen conflicting accounts of why they converted, so I can't pretend to be certain. Jewish scholars tend to say that the conversion was totally voluntary by King Bulan, who invited representatives from Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, and chose Judaism. But, the conspiracy theorist historians (who I generally trust about 10 million times more than any mainstream source) say that the Russian king at the time forced that on king Bulan under threat of war. Supposedly, the Russian king did so because the Khazar people kept raiding their borders and stealing children.
I heard that too. I guess the conversion would teach them to not steal, but apparently they didn’t really care about their new religion and they had to import Jews from abroad to teach the locals.
Unfortunately I don't think the conversion stopped them, and I don't think the religion they converted to was very good on that point anyway, judging but the complaints of many medieval nations.
Jesus laid his own life down willingly and is alive today. Hallelujah!!!
Jesus traded my sin for Eternal life. What an amazing recompense!
Amen
Slain before the foundation of the world.
Amen. Jesus said (John 10:18) "No one takes my life from me, but I lay it down of my own accord,I have the authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again, this command I received from my Father" Blessed are all those who believe and receive this free gift of salvation through the Son of God, from God the Father
KILLED* Jesus*
Do you mean the Romans? Or the Pharisees who conspired to get the Romans to kill Jesus?
Statistically speaking. Large numbers of people today are probably related to the Roman section of the equation. This part of the lineage in a round about fashion. The Jewish portion I’m less sure about as there’s other factors there. But it stands to reason a significant number of people on the earth today also bear some relation to them as well. Probably not as many as the Romans. But still significant.
Do you mean Herrods line? The imposed rulers set by Rhome?
First off, let me take this from a theological standpoint. It wasn't the Jews that killed Jesus. It wasn't the Romans. It was us. Part of the meaning of the whole story is that Humanity killed our Savior. No single individual or group did it. We did.
Second, you're not going to find any existing DNA lineages. After about 6 generations the contribution from an individual ancestor further back is statistically removed.
Third, there's probably nobody out there willing to advertise their affiliation with someone they hold responsible for the gig. You won't find Fred Iscariot on any mailboxes. Your kids won't go to school with the Pilate's kids.
However, William Harrod, a contemporary of Daniel Boone, did found Harrodsburg, Kentucky in 1774. I had his descendant living in one of my apartments back in the 1980s. Ya think?
Okay. Let's say you find Arnold P. Pilate living next door to you. Is he "part of the lineage?" Don't jump to conclusions. I quote from the history of Circleville, Ohio on Wikipedia:
" . . Circleville was founded by European-American settlers in 1810, as people relocated westward after the American Revolutionary War.[9]: 32–3 One such settler was George Hitler Sr., who migrated to Circleville in 1799 with his wife and 4 children, with seven more being born in Circleville after they resettled. One of these children, Dr. Gay Hitler, used to be a dentist. Numerous features of the town are named after this family, these being two 'Hitler' roads, Hubert Hitler Road, Hitler Pond, Hitler-Park, and Hitler-Ludvig cemetery.[10][11] There is no connection between the family and Adolf Hitler, whose surname was defined much later."
BTW: the George Hitler mentioned is actually George Washington Hitler. Gay Hitler stopped practicing dentistry in 1946.
So, you belief in class responsibility by extension?
Damn, THAT happened 2000 years ago. And that makes ME responsible somehow?
AM I the one saying: his blood is on us and our offspring? Nope. Basically, it is a direct violation of God's Law: a son shall not be liable on behalf of the sins of his father. On the other hand, consequences may be seen into the 7th generation.
Just to toss it out there: i would guess we are way past that.
Second, I do support your notion that lineages are problematic. As Paul said: they offer the means to a lot of questions without answers.
Third: Some people are really concerned with their JEW lineage and love to emphasize it. Of course it comes with a downside. And when that strikes there is only one position: why do they persecute us .....why? God must still be busy with us. ...
TO a degree it is correct: we are still occupying our mind with their bullshit. Any Jew fart is big news.