This happens when you have a TRULY strong Church and biblical pastor. (Few Christians do and even fewer are aware of this grim reality)
He goes to Christ Church and his pastor is Douglas Wilson
If the MSM isn't running hit pieces on your church and the government isn't trying to shut your church down and the left doesn't hate you then you are NOT in a church making a serious impact.
I.E. Did your Church defy lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing? Does your church preach openly against homosexuality? Does your church protest and shut down abortion clinics and call abortion murder?
These are just a few examples that must pastors won't even touch because they don't want controversy. True Christianity is controversial and Jesus tells us the world will hate us.
Kind of goes against the Constitution to try to make the US have an official religion....
It really bothers me when people act like they're strict Constitutionalists when it suits them (2nd Amendment) and then completely plan to violate it when it suits them.
So that's a hard no for me. I'm not going to violate the US Constitution for this.
And for fucks sake, do some actual research on the Establishment Clause and Article VI, Clause 3 before trying to argue that the Constitution doesn't prohibit the government from favoring one religion over any other.
Because I know that's going to be the knee-jerk reaction for many people, and I'm just too tired to deal with ignorance and hypocrisy today. The Establishment Clause is what prevents the US from ever being under Sharia Law and you yokels just want to wipe your ass with it. π
Oh, and if we do decide to just say fuck it and completely violate the First Amendment, and become a "Christian Nation", exactly which flavor of Christianity are we going to be? There are thousands of denominations of Christisnity, and some of them believe wildly different things.
We'll have to have the whole argument of if Catholicism is part of Christianity. And while most people here most likely won't accept that, there are plenty of Catholic US citizens who will. And that's going to be one hell of a fight. I'm pretty sure one reason our Fore Fathers had the wisdom to create the Establishment Clause was to avoid that nonsense. If my memory is correct (and it usually is) I recall the whole Protestant/Catholic thing causing quite the stir across the seas and was one of the main reasons we had ancestors who came over here, to get away with from that bullshit.
But even if you think Catholics are going to roll over and spread their legs to get fucked on this (foreshadowing, they're not) even Protestant denominations fight amongst themselves. Imagine Southern Baptist parents sending their kids to a school with a Calvanist teacher and little Bobby and little Brittany coming home telling them that there are limited spots to get into Heaven, and it doesn't really matter what we do because God has already made His mind up waaaay before any of us were born about who is going there and who isn't.
That's just the shit I personally have experienced with Christianity having wildly different ideas of what a "True Christian" believes, and I know how contentious it gets with just those two denominations fighting each other. It turns my stomach to think about the entire country trying to establish their own views as what "True Christianity" is, and trying to stuff that version down each other's throats.
So, yeah, no fucking thank you on all that bullshit. Put some more thought into this type of thing before going all in on it. Look to history on what happens with a full theocracy, and when countries ruled by religion start in-fighting on whose religion is the "correct" one ( Sunni vs Shi'a comes to mind, along with Calvinists vs Huguenots, the Eighty Years War, the Thirty Years War, the English Civil Wars, Wars of Three Kingdoms, the Jacobite Rebellion, and most recently the Irish War of Independence and The Troubles.)
And now you ding dongs want to go and start all that shit back up again? π
John Jay stated that it is the duty of the Christian nation to select Christians as rulers.
John Quincy Adams claimed the American Revolution connected the principles of civil government with Christianity in an "indissoluble bond".
Noah Webster argued that the principles of Christianity are the foundation of genuine freedom in government and that the Bible is essential for sustaining republican government.
Andrew Jackson declared, "The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests".
Similarly, Jedidiah Morse asserted that the pillars of Christianity are necessary for the survival of republican government, and without them, American freedoms would fall.
Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Yeah, you have plenty of individuals saying that. Not all of our Fore fathers thought the same, though. That's why they all sat down, collaborated, and decided what was best for the nation, not just what they thought.
And that's why we have the US Constitution and not "John Jay's/ John Quincy Adams/ Andrew Jackson's Plan For What He Personally Wants".
Of all those, John Jay is the only one that really had an active role in the US Constitution.
If we're just going to randomly pick people who have expressed ideas on what the country should do via religion, there's plenty of them who were vocal about if having no role in the running of the country.
But it's not about what random people thought. It's about what they sat down and hammered out as the framework for the country. Do you really think politicians back then all agreed on everything? No, of course they didn't. That's why they all had to vote on if the US Constitution was what they wanted to be governed by. And after all the fighting, the US Constitution is what survived it all.
And the Establishment Clause survival ALL of that. So it seems enough of our Fore fathers found it important enough to keep. π€·ββοΈ
I put Jesus before the Constitution. Secularism has failed and has been a disaster.
And if you actually read the founding fathers our country was supposed to be a Christian nation. Freedom of religion meant more of freedom of Christian denomination. It was never intended for millions of Muslims and Hinduβs to move here.
What I would do is set up a council of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants to outline universal beliefs and heresies.
And we need to ban birth control pills and do natural family planning.
Well, if they really wanted that, then they royally fucked up by going to all the trouble of creating the Establishment Clause, which expressly forbids the country from favoring one religion over another.
They had every opportunity to insert Christianity as the official religion, and make everything about Christianity that they wanted.
And yet they didn't. Instead they did the complete opposite with the Establishment Clause and the Article forbidding religious tests for those running the government.
Weird, huh. π€·ββοΈ
And that's all well and good about your personal beliefs about religion.
For some reason, everyone thinks that the "Christian Nation" they envision is the one that we'll end up with. They never stop to think about what everyone else's idea of a "Christian Nation" is.
So if those who do make those decisions decide that this is a Christian Nation, and that we all need to become...hell, I don't know, Pentecostal Holiness, and must attend that church only, and all women have to start wearing Jean skirts and have really long hair, you'd be cool with that?
Or what if they decide that one of those Unitarian We Accept And Love Everyone churches was the official church, and everyone was required to go three times a week, and you had to call everyone by their preferred pronouns, you'd be cool with that?
What I would do is set up a council of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants to outline universal beliefs and heresies. And we need to ban birth control pills and do natural family planning.
Good luck on that. I'm sure it will all go smoothly. ππππ
You can laugh and thatβs okay. I donβt have the answers to everything.
But our country has already fallen because of secularism. Our birth rates and cultural unity are a joke and weβre getting replaced by illegals and Pajeets.
Just saying, don't squawk about how sacred the 2nd Amendment is and then declare that the US Constitution needs to be changed to suit your preferences.
The 2nd Amendment is hanging by a thread and the only thing stopping us from losing it is supporting the US Constitution, as is.
You can't argue in one breath that the government can't take our guns, because "The 2nd Amendment says Shall Not Be Infringed!!" and then in the next say the First Amendment (at least part of it) should be tossed in the trash.
Because then those people who want to take our guns will see that we don't really give much of a shit about the parts of the Constitution that we don't personally care for, and then it's open season on it.
You get that right? That when people see that we're super duper fine with going against the Constitution, there goes our argument saving the 2nd Amendment.
Hegseth does not set policy for our entire government, but people should realize we were founded as a Christian nation and we should stay that way, as long as the US doesn't sponsor one particular religion over another (although the Muslim religion is very difficult to get along with, at times).
Barry Markson is incorrect when he states we are losing our country right before our eyes.
Markson does not, by our Constitution, have to believe in God or anything else but he should realize bringing faith out to the public is not/and does not threaten our country in any way. Stand your ground Pete Hegseth! Markson is a Commie/Dem, he knows it and now, if we didn't before, we know it.
"You shall have no other gods before me".....who said that? Here's the answer...TRUTH said that. So have your churches and religions all day long, but God did not become a man to put a god before God...he established TRUTH as the WAY not "The law of who??? MOSES!!" Not one religion after another...SIMPLY TRUTH...However most want ritual and membership...TRUTH is not enough....CHRIST is not enough...soooo good luck with "Christian" anything when people don't even realize they fashioned gods out of their religions!!
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So would the Creator. God loves His family.
Crusades activated
This happens when you have a TRULY strong Church and biblical pastor. (Few Christians do and even fewer are aware of this grim reality)
He goes to Christ Church and his pastor is Douglas Wilson
If the MSM isn't running hit pieces on your church and the government isn't trying to shut your church down and the left doesn't hate you then you are NOT in a church making a serious impact.
I.E. Did your Church defy lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing? Does your church preach openly against homosexuality? Does your church protest and shut down abortion clinics and call abortion murder?
These are just a few examples that must pastors won't even touch because they don't want controversy. True Christianity is controversial and Jesus tells us the world will hate us.
Truth.
Exactly. β
Hallelujah! Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess Christ is King! π
Kind of goes against the Constitution to try to make the US have an official religion....
It really bothers me when people act like they're strict Constitutionalists when it suits them (2nd Amendment) and then completely plan to violate it when it suits them.
So that's a hard no for me. I'm not going to violate the US Constitution for this.
And for fucks sake, do some actual research on the Establishment Clause and Article VI, Clause 3 before trying to argue that the Constitution doesn't prohibit the government from favoring one religion over any other.
Because I know that's going to be the knee-jerk reaction for many people, and I'm just too tired to deal with ignorance and hypocrisy today. The Establishment Clause is what prevents the US from ever being under Sharia Law and you yokels just want to wipe your ass with it. π
Oh, and if we do decide to just say fuck it and completely violate the First Amendment, and become a "Christian Nation", exactly which flavor of Christianity are we going to be? There are thousands of denominations of Christisnity, and some of them believe wildly different things.
We'll have to have the whole argument of if Catholicism is part of Christianity. And while most people here most likely won't accept that, there are plenty of Catholic US citizens who will. And that's going to be one hell of a fight. I'm pretty sure one reason our Fore Fathers had the wisdom to create the Establishment Clause was to avoid that nonsense. If my memory is correct (and it usually is) I recall the whole Protestant/Catholic thing causing quite the stir across the seas and was one of the main reasons we had ancestors who came over here, to get away with from that bullshit.
But even if you think Catholics are going to roll over and spread their legs to get fucked on this (foreshadowing, they're not) even Protestant denominations fight amongst themselves. Imagine Southern Baptist parents sending their kids to a school with a Calvanist teacher and little Bobby and little Brittany coming home telling them that there are limited spots to get into Heaven, and it doesn't really matter what we do because God has already made His mind up waaaay before any of us were born about who is going there and who isn't.
That's just the shit I personally have experienced with Christianity having wildly different ideas of what a "True Christian" believes, and I know how contentious it gets with just those two denominations fighting each other. It turns my stomach to think about the entire country trying to establish their own views as what "True Christianity" is, and trying to stuff that version down each other's throats.
So, yeah, no fucking thank you on all that bullshit. Put some more thought into this type of thing before going all in on it. Look to history on what happens with a full theocracy, and when countries ruled by religion start in-fighting on whose religion is the "correct" one ( Sunni vs Shi'a comes to mind, along with Calvinists vs Huguenots, the Eighty Years War, the Thirty Years War, the English Civil Wars, Wars of Three Kingdoms, the Jacobite Rebellion, and most recently the Irish War of Independence and The Troubles.)
And now you ding dongs want to go and start all that shit back up again? π
John Jay stated that it is the duty of the Christian nation to select Christians as rulers.
John Quincy Adams claimed the American Revolution connected the principles of civil government with Christianity in an "indissoluble bond".
Noah Webster argued that the principles of Christianity are the foundation of genuine freedom in government and that the Bible is essential for sustaining republican government.
Andrew Jackson declared, "The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests". Similarly, Jedidiah Morse asserted that the pillars of Christianity are necessary for the survival of republican government, and without them, American freedoms would fall.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
100% brother
Yeah, you have plenty of individuals saying that. Not all of our Fore fathers thought the same, though. That's why they all sat down, collaborated, and decided what was best for the nation, not just what they thought.
And that's why we have the US Constitution and not "John Jay's/ John Quincy Adams/ Andrew Jackson's Plan For What He Personally Wants".
Of all those, John Jay is the only one that really had an active role in the US Constitution.
If we're just going to randomly pick people who have expressed ideas on what the country should do via religion, there's plenty of them who were vocal about if having no role in the running of the country.
But it's not about what random people thought. It's about what they sat down and hammered out as the framework for the country. Do you really think politicians back then all agreed on everything? No, of course they didn't. That's why they all had to vote on if the US Constitution was what they wanted to be governed by. And after all the fighting, the US Constitution is what survived it all.
And the Establishment Clause survival ALL of that. So it seems enough of our Fore fathers found it important enough to keep. π€·ββοΈ
I put Jesus before the Constitution. Secularism has failed and has been a disaster.
And if you actually read the founding fathers our country was supposed to be a Christian nation. Freedom of religion meant more of freedom of Christian denomination. It was never intended for millions of Muslims and Hinduβs to move here.
What I would do is set up a council of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants to outline universal beliefs and heresies.
And we need to ban birth control pills and do natural family planning.
Well, if they really wanted that, then they royally fucked up by going to all the trouble of creating the Establishment Clause, which expressly forbids the country from favoring one religion over another.
They had every opportunity to insert Christianity as the official religion, and make everything about Christianity that they wanted.
And yet they didn't. Instead they did the complete opposite with the Establishment Clause and the Article forbidding religious tests for those running the government.
Weird, huh. π€·ββοΈ
And that's all well and good about your personal beliefs about religion.
For some reason, everyone thinks that the "Christian Nation" they envision is the one that we'll end up with. They never stop to think about what everyone else's idea of a "Christian Nation" is.
So if those who do make those decisions decide that this is a Christian Nation, and that we all need to become...hell, I don't know, Pentecostal Holiness, and must attend that church only, and all women have to start wearing Jean skirts and have really long hair, you'd be cool with that?
Or what if they decide that one of those Unitarian We Accept And Love Everyone churches was the official church, and everyone was required to go three times a week, and you had to call everyone by their preferred pronouns, you'd be cool with that?
Good luck on that. I'm sure it will all go smoothly. ππππ
You can laugh and thatβs okay. I donβt have the answers to everything.
But our country has already fallen because of secularism. Our birth rates and cultural unity are a joke and weβre getting replaced by illegals and Pajeets.
Just saying, don't squawk about how sacred the 2nd Amendment is and then declare that the US Constitution needs to be changed to suit your preferences.
The 2nd Amendment is hanging by a thread and the only thing stopping us from losing it is supporting the US Constitution, as is.
You can't argue in one breath that the government can't take our guns, because "The 2nd Amendment says Shall Not Be Infringed!!" and then in the next say the First Amendment (at least part of it) should be tossed in the trash.
Because then those people who want to take our guns will see that we don't really give much of a shit about the parts of the Constitution that we don't personally care for, and then it's open season on it.
You get that right? That when people see that we're super duper fine with going against the Constitution, there goes our argument saving the 2nd Amendment.
Does no one else see this? Really?
Amen.
I agree. However, I hope the version of Christianity he is thinking of isn't Dispensationalism or Christian Zionism!
Oh, no. Love your neighbor as yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Don't steal. Don't murder.
You can't build a civilization on such extremist ideas!!! Reeeeeeereeeee
Hegseth does not set policy for our entire government, but people should realize we were founded as a Christian nation and we should stay that way, as long as the US doesn't sponsor one particular religion over another (although the Muslim religion is very difficult to get along with, at times). Barry Markson is incorrect when he states we are losing our country right before our eyes. Markson does not, by our Constitution, have to believe in God or anything else but he should realize bringing faith out to the public is not/and does not threaten our country in any way. Stand your ground Pete Hegseth! Markson is a Commie/Dem, he knows it and now, if we didn't before, we know it.
Classical Greece + Christianity = Western Civilization
It's a good mix.
I don't want anyone forced to convert to Christianity, but neither do I want them allowed to undermine the values of Western Civilization.
"You shall have no other gods before me".....who said that? Here's the answer...TRUTH said that. So have your churches and religions all day long, but God did not become a man to put a god before God...he established TRUTH as the WAY not "The law of who??? MOSES!!" Not one religion after another...SIMPLY TRUTH...However most want ritual and membership...TRUTH is not enough....CHRIST is not enough...soooo good luck with "Christian" anything when people don't even realize they fashioned gods out of their religions!!