The Milky Way Galaxy
100-400 billion stars (suns)
Est. 8 trillion planets (Earth is 1)
Galaxies
Observable Universe: Est. 200 billion to 2 trillion
Faint, un-observable: 6 to 20 trillion
Given these estimates, only fools and idiots could even entertain the idea the earth and its inhabitants are the only living species.
The math: the probability of us NOT being alone is a statistical “absolute”! We aren’t alone.
This leads us to only one question: Who, on earth, is preventing us from full disclosure? What are their names? Where are their signatures on what documents preventing it? It is time they are all identified and forced to step aside. Relieve them of all responsibility, all power, all control mechanisms.
Anyone disagree?
Yep, I disagree. Guess I’m a fool and an idiot, eh?
I love counter-arguments. You could be right. So, if you will, please explain your logic or evidence for why you disagree. It is a fair question... don't you agree. Please respond.
If evolution is impossible on Earth, then it's impossible anywhere in the universe. Therefore, there are no ETs.
God's Eternal Plan starts on Earth & will expand forever.
Isa, 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.
First, this post was never suppose to be about God or religion. Secondly, regarding your reponse... what? Who said evolution was impossible? Huh? Thirdly, the passages you listed are for humans on earth... clearly. None of them suggest he didn't have other designs, other life forms or other intelligent (less or more) somewhere else.
Sorry, I am not sure I understand your argument here.
In line with that if God created life on earth isn’t also possible that God created life somewhere else out in the vast expanse of the universe?
The Milky Way galaxy alone is estimated to have at least 100 billion planets if not more, and we can see billions of other galaxies in the universe.
Who would redeem them? The whole universe fell. Creation is earthcentric.
Maybe they are already redeemed in Christ? This could be the last planet that hasn't figured it out.
"also possible" is an appeal to the unknown. God created man in His image as a starting point for His Eternal Plan that will expand forever.
You started out by stating that I was a fool and an idiot. Why on earth would I debate you from that premise?
The ad hominem fallacy is a logical fallacy where an argument is rebutted by attacking the person making it rather than addressing the argument's substance.
Me too. God created the universe for us to expand out into because no “death”.The Fall changed that. No aliens is the short story.
...why not ask this concil what they think about it - https://university.awakenche.org/knowledge-base/andromedan-council/
You forgot us devout Christians who believe as others as believed from before the advent of Christ. Here's our alternative theory:
God made the Universe to help man understand how much greater, powerful, and perfect he is, to help us understand just how much we need the Creator for life and salvation.
Anything less than a universe that appears to be limitless wouldn't suffice in helping us understand how infinite our Creator truly is.
I don't share to change your mind. I share b/c someone needs to.
PS Can I make a friendly suggestion?
So, are you saying, that God created the entire universe of physical matter, unoccupied by intelligent life... just to make a point to us Humans? Did I get this correct?
I don't necessarily disagree with this from the perspective of dichotomy. That being, in order to define something, something else must exist to compare it to. You can't have left without right or cold without hot, etc. However, to my point, assuming that God created all the universe only to make a point... that is, how infinite and powerful he is and in-turn only create one intelligent species and put them on one planet... well, that would seem to be an inrrational assumption. Furture, an unusual attribute to ascribe to God. He doesn't need to prove himself to that which he created.
And yes, I welcome your suggestions.
According to most theologians (up until critical theory wrecked that area of study as well), it was agreed upon that Man is the pinnacle of God's creation, the only creature made in His own image.
It isn't that God needed to prove himself to anyone. It's that the pride of man is without limit, so much so that we would never put ourselves under the power and grandeur and righteousness of God had he not placed us in a universe so vast and complex that we couldn't ever create for ourselves.
That being true, he could have done this with one galaxy. We could never, not ever, create a galaxy. He didn't need 100s of billions of galaxies.
That's one interpretation, yes. Had you been God instead of you, you would've stopped after one galaxy.
Another is that we mortals can't begin to fathom the mind of an infinite god outside of what he directly communicated to us in Scripture.
We can't fathom...... yet make interpretations and assumptions and claims about a events happening 1000s of years ago....... you do realize every Bible you've read are just translations. You've never been shown the true words.
A multitude of copies in the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic exist today. Countless scholars have verified their authenticity.
But I can't make you believe it's true. That's the work of the Holy Spirit, and relies on your openness to such work in your mind and in your heart.
If it took no more effort on His part to create 1 galaxy or 100 billion galaxies, why limit yourself?
Who decided "galaxy" was a unit of measurement anyway? 😉
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"The math: the probability of us NOT being alone is a statistical “absolute”! We aren’t alone."
There are a few logical fallacies in your argument, and maybe some room to argue or discuss, but this line is pure baloney IMHO. An "absolute" cannot depend on probability, can it?
Also, huge numbers but with no evidence means no evidence even with huge numbers, and nothing more.
Wow. Nailed me on that one. Indeed, I had to think about that. if something is absolute, probability does exist (I suppose) but at 100%. What is the probability you are sitting there breathing in your chair. You could say (absolutely) 100%.
As for me, I do feel absolutely that other life forms exist. I sincerely have no doubts about this.
The documentay I posted in one of my comments... I observed something quite profound, that is, "How do you blow the whistle without blowing it?" Everyone of the top authorites with first hand knowledge with active charters and experience spared one common denominator in their answers. They know the truth, but can't speak it. Each of them are inferring the prove does exists. They just can't tell you. That tells you all you need to know if you are listening closely.
Such a paradigm shift (like this) affects everything, religions, economies, sovereignty, technology, energy markets... everything is essentially shifted. This is their defense on keeping it a secret... but they underestimate we humans. We are quite adaptive and peaceful. I think we could figure out how to implement free energy worldwide. This is a valid argument... but it doesn't matter. This paradigm is going to shift.
FOR THE RECORD. This post wasn't about God or religion.
When you make a post about space brothers expect there to be spiritual counterpoint responses 😉
Now you tell me!
Gen. 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Indeed! But he never said he only did this once.
Sure, here you go: https://youtu.be/8hZl3arO7SY?si=RKepLmW5IsHqqG6d
Looking forward to your contrived, twisted, insane “debunk”.
And there it is 😂
First, 80% of statistics are wrong. If you actually run the numbers on how many physical intelligent species you'd expect with evolutionary assumptions, the correct answer would be zero. The fact that there exists one belies evolutionary assumptions.
Therefore, with other assumptions, it might well be "expected" that there is exactly one physical intelligent species and that the remainder of the universe exists primarily for our benefit. It's also possible it might well not be expected. But that's why it's essential to establish assumptions.
However, we have enough observational evidence of UAPs that there is a reasonable inference to intelligent "species" that is irrelevant of the mathematical argument you raise. Notice I dropped the word "physical". If thousands of years of testimony of human history indicates that there have been nonhuman intelligences interacted with and that these are almost entirely explained by nonphysical phenomenal (often called "spiritual" but let's just say unexplained by physical laws), the most reasonable supposition is that this species of creature is in fact tightly earth-connected and need not be postulated as extraterrestrial.
So it's essential that UAP investigation embrace the need for nonphysical explanations and not revert to panspermic narratives.
As one who loves disclosure, I believe this era has been unprecedented for the leeway for the disclosures you seek. (On an distantly related note, I was recently authorized to begin an official disclosure process for time travel and I can answer specific questions about its occasional relation to UAPs.) However, it's appropriate for us sovereigns to delegate the knowing of certain national security data to compartments.
In detail, We The People did this by authorizing state governments via our birth or naturalization documents that identified us as sovereign entities who retained rights to direct our public servants in the state governments and delegated them authority to govern affairs including the delegated authority to delegate further authority to the federal government who (while acknowledging our 9A-10A rights) delegated the decisionmaking over military intelligence to the armed forces under George Washington, and over time many data points such as full info about UAPs was judged to require Q clearance due to the risk of it being used against the military goals, despite the risk of abuses by the same military.
That is, the compartmentalization process has involved enough steps that it's not easy to dismantle rapidly, and this era includes the best dismantling attempts anyone has seen in possibly any era. The question becomes to what degree we should call in those delegated intel powers when we, the sovereign citizens, don't immediately have an alternate method. To that, besides the delegated channels that are doing a nearly passable job, I can only emphasize individual data sharing on the decentralized net, which is having more effect than formerly. Any valid complaint gets amplified and bubbles up to get noticed by the sovereigns en masse.
So it's not as simple as slash and burn, because we must take responsibility for what we are asking. I know well enough that unmasking the UAPs won't hurt us militarily, but my public servants, who have done much more roleplaying on it on my behalf, aren't 100.000% convinced. I know the path to convince them, but as a sovereign I don't press that path very hard compared to others that I find more essential. So I'm comfortable with the balance of what I do and what I ask for.
Interesting response. I am also a student of time and space sciences. It is my understanding that the time component of our current science is irrelevantin higher dimensions. Thus, time travel in 3D is quite different than interdimensional time travel. Yet, both are connected. I mean, think about it.... where is your soul now? You can't see it or detect it. Yet, it exists. Where? Perhaps we exist in mutiple dimensions simultaneously... only we are restricted to our perception of it.
So yea, time travel is real. 3D time travel... well, that is going to require some serious tech.
About evolutionary assumptions.. That isn't really a component of my thinking. But, under such considerations, we could have just as easily been evolved from another planet's species... not visa versa.
One last note, you did make me giggle. My first book release was so entitled, "The Assumptions".
Yes, you're welcome. That's a very good statement of it. The spirit (and soul) have a dimensional experience that, although usually (not always) localized to our position in these three dimensions, also range widely in other dimensions. Some of your other phrasing is not exactly the way I would say the math because all dimensions operate at the same spacetime instant and time is its own dimensional set. What current science is doing is treating time and space as isomorphic dimensions, which is what makes time "irrelevant". So by "time travel in 3D" you are presumably talking about moving the atoms from one time to another; and (since that happens all the time in the time-arrow direction at one second per second) you're looking about moving them at other rates than one second per second. That indeed has its difficulties, and most time travel fiction is actually about multiverse manipulation because it's easier to write about that and call it time travel when it isn't.
By "interdimensional" you are presumably referring to the wormhole connections that allow time travel of the bits (the information) without having to move atoms at macro levels. This kind of time travel is very efficient and meets most needs of time travelers, but it doesn't "change history" because history is one when only one universe is reified. To "change history" you need a multiverse, which is a separate discussion entirely, though the tech is related. You also have teleportation without more than ordinary time travel, which is another tech again.
Now the beings we're talking about do have some time-travel tech at the bitwise level because they are experienced at describing the extra dimensions and we're not (we've relegated it to our language of legend, imagination, and seeming). It's only since Lorenz, Planck, Einstein, and Eddington that we've made any sense of it at all mathematically, and our understanding has been thwarted in part by the cabal. But the good news is that when we need time travel, the time travelers that exist across past, present, and future, have helped us with the amount that we've needed (without breaking prime directive). That's what my own disclosure has been and will be about, and that's what the US's official UAP disclosure (checks watch for tense) will be about. Time continues passing but for it to pass requires change and the trick is reframing the change that's being used to impart the feeling of passing into the sentient being. For that we have what we need, and so I trust the actual time travelers who are moderating the holding off on the UAP disclosure for now, even though I don't know exactly how many there are or how much pull they have versus the greedy rogue elements that just want to mine UAPs for unobtainium.
As to evolutionists, they often assume one planet speciating another (panspermia), but the problem is that this is as equally impossible via the math in this reification that the expected number of species is still zero. My point was that neither our species nor the one or more that we experience evolved from another such one; the only way to get one is to use an assumption that explains fine-tuning, and once you've done that you can also tune the number of intelligent species to any reasonable finite number. What's more reasonable is to assume that a species that we've encountered for millennia is one that already has traffic here rather than that has to have an origin somewhere else. Lately I've been working the track of other ETs, and I finally found a way to allow literalist Christians to let them into a backdoor, but they don't seem to be significant in the UAP question. If they're not one of the species that has/have been manifesting already, ultimately their species would become a party that would enter on the side of one extant species claim or another. Sasquatch Wars.
Great dialog. Thanks
Regarding interdimensional. I refer to this as being an intact being but without any physical body. I truly believe this employs a new order of physics that we have yet to uncover. It uses base 12 math instead of base 10.
It appears to me, that our 3D construct has built-in restrictions preventing us from experiencing (and defining) dimensions above it. This would be restrictions designed into our entire 3D experience. Some obvious ones are things like using only a fraction of our brains in awake conscious states... or our DNA tuning using two strands instead of 2+ (up to perhaps 12). Yet another, our inability to see or hear outside of our limited frequency perceptions. I could go on.
I only mentioned "the soul" as an example because most people agree the "soul" exists but as of yet, absolutely no way to detect it or measure it. We tend to measure impacts but never the "thing" causing the impact. This mystery seems to be baked into our "human experiment". Conisderinig that humans may indeed be an experiment also brings in to play the so-called "matrix" ideas. That is, we are playing within a highly programmed reality that is under the control of some cosmic software architects. Not advocating the theory per se but acknowledging the theory as potentially plausable.
Semi-related. I read a series of books 20 years ago called "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch. I even flew to Ashland, Oregon to meet him several times to discuss his materials. In the materials, he wrote that God used a parable to explain our "matrix" experiment... in that, it was akin to a video game. Free will is real but you are only allowed to choose amongst the options programmed in from which you can choose from. You can play the game in an infinite number of ways (free will) but you can never choose any options the programmers didn't design-in. This idea was also described in the "Wingmakers" materials (interviews with Dr. Neruda 1-5). Agian described in many of Ashayana Deane published data. Okay, I acknowledge these sources are completely esoteric. But when investigating knowledge about "the unknown" these type of sources provide some useful data. I followed "Kryon" for some time and interviewed Lee Carroll many times before he died.
Now, this may cause some to think I went off the rails to include such sources. But each describe scientific disclosures coming our way regarding human beings and explaining the human experience. Kryon particularly brought forth a lot of DNA science we are just now starting to discover.
... my two cents.
Jesus does not agree with you. Jesus believed in the first humans, Adam and Eve, he also believed the Flood of Noah was a real event and since He is the ONLY eye witness to it ALL, I'm going to believe Him!
And just an observation... regarding the Adam and Eve story. Assuming it is indeed true, without pure incest, none of us would be here. Is incest a sin? Was it not a sin then too? Think about that.
In the beginning that is the way it started. The blood was untainted and so was the DNA. After the flood, things changed. The environment changed and human life decreased by hundreds of years. I do know Jesus spoke of the first man being Adam and He spoke of the flood of Noah. The Bible mentions nothing about life outside of this planet and so far we have not seen any form of life outside this planet or any indication other than "maybe" life exists. Even if there were civilizations on other worlds and they could travel between the stars, why would they stop here? We don't even rate as a class 0 technology civilization. Jesus said things would be "as in the days of Noah" before His return. What was it like then according to the only eye witness, fallen angels / demons were co mingling with humans and corrupting their DNA. We will see that again if we are around. The beginning of it will be "visitors from space" bring peace to the earth. If you believe Jesus, you will have no problem believing the Bible.
Well, he was correct. Humans live here, on Earth. Everything he taught was about our existence... here.
This, in no way, implies, the ominiprecence of God elsewhere... not other forms other than Human. We were the first humans... here.
I agree with him.
The only aliens I know of are angels and demons and they are interdimensional.
THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8fEAflytI8
We have not progressed far enough for contact.
Our systems are broken.
We have not unified with the intent to persist the human race.
We are fractured in mind, body, spirit.
Who in their right mind would descend on this planet and not realize they would suddenly be asked to solve all our problems because they're so advanced?
Nope. Not going to happen until we sort ourselves out.
Only a secular humanist believes he lives on a spinning ball hurling through the vastness. The stars are like a clock set in the firmament, they always follow the exact same path around polaris. Same with the sun and moon (solar and lunar anelemma-both make a double 8 each year). The more you question the "settled science" the more fake and gay it ALL becomes. I guess without God, youre just a puny hairless ape evolved from sludge and not an earthly reflection of Divine perfection. I pray someday you figure out that you're better than that.
Well, perhaps. Or maybe I am a 12-stranded DNA species with infinite intelligence walking the earth hindered by some designed-in firewalls, limits, and restrictions preventing me from being Christlike in my walk. Apes vs super-species are both valid. Both exist. This discussion however, was about WHY of IF either of these efforts are solely confined to one rock in the universe.
Uh oh. I’m a vastly imperfect but devout Christian who believes he is standing on a spinning ball hurtling through the vastness.
Now what? It seems your initial claim is incorrect.
I disagree also. There MIGHT be other intelligent life in the universe, but the odds are FAR lower than the simple math of "how many planets there probably are".
Consider:
Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe
There are a surprising number of reasons why MOST -- if not nearly ALL -- planets other than Earth lack intelligent life. This book, from 25 years ago (the hardback, that is), wide-ranging, well-written, and persuasive. Earth is in a surprisingly rare Goldilock's Zone, and even so, mass extinctions have happened several times before; the one that ended the non-avian dinosaurs wasn't even the worst.
And then there's the question of, IF other intelligent life DID evolve, did it wipe itself out with nuclear war, pollution, AI, or in other ways.
So: MAYBE there are intelligent aliens out there, but maybe not.
Our human configuration is, by design, made to exist in our atomosphere and environment. Other creations can easily be designed to live in completely different atomospheres. I mean, we have critters that live on sulfer vents miles deep in the ocean. It would kill every known species... but yet, they thrive. Intelligent life can be imbued in any form... if you were God.
We shouldn't short-change our creator.
There's also the fact that the physical details of this universe are very tightly designed in a way that allows for life as we know it.
Water, for instance, EXPANDS when it freezes -- unlike most other substances.
That's not the only thing weirdly optimal for life as we know it; the entire universe seems very carefully designed to allow us to be here.
It's almost as if God or the Universe (I pretty much see those as the same thing) was planning for us to appear.
Would it not be profound if we discovered "water' Is neutral and is indeed, the (so sought-after fountain of youth)... an inbued liquid of remedy? Your intentions fleshed-out in your own biolgy?
Q 2222: Are we alone? Roswell?
No. Highest classification.CONSIDER THE VASTness of space. Q
I don't believe the Bible makes any mention of life elsewhere in the Universe (other than Heaven and Hell). Whatever life is out there on other planets is God's creation and is His business. Perhaps it will come to light some day, but He left it out of the Bible for a reason.
Well to be fair, a lot was left out of the bible... by men, not God.
Prove it. Scripture is complete.
I comprehend scripture, but not a literally, I am a devoted believer in Jesus Christ.I also am open to the idea that there are dimensions and realms that exist for our eternal souls. "thou shalt not have other gods before me" suggests that there are lesser deities existing in other forms, and those deities do have followers. There is talk of angels and spirits and demons and dark energy. Why do we anthropomorphize these alien beings? They could come in the form of microscopic virus, or through thought forms. Its all very entertaining, but in my life now, I live in a world of elements and atoms and molecules all here and created by God, to sustain my life for the blink of an eye, remain humble before HIS creation, and touch grass, chop wood, and carry water, and carry myself in goodness, thought, word, and deed. We are advised in scripture to not seek arcane knowledge or to entertain too much certain ideas. it is not to keep us dumb, far from it, the greatest wisdom is written right there in scripture. Ecclesiastes 1:17-18: Solomon reflects on applying his mind to know wisdom, knowledge, madness, and folly, concluding, "I learned that this too is a pursuit of the wind" (meaning fruitless). It can be dangerous to seek too far, as the dark forces can lead us to madness or to throw away our Faith in pursuit of esoteric thought.
Well said. But nothing in your position eliminates your same comittment to your 3D doesn't exist in the rest of the 3D universe. They could easily be having the same experience in an equally vital world.
And about atoms... you do realize that all atoms are essentially energy and that energy is all connected. Thus every atom on this planet is connected to every atom in the universe... right?
I've always held the belief that no matter what statistics or scientific probability say, that formula would have a God variable multiplied by it, which is either 1 or 0. If He wanted aliens, it's a 1.
Well think about it. If humans are the only intelligent species, why are we still killing each other? We then, exist as God's best effort for intelligent life? Humans, earth, is the best he could do? Seriously?
Creating a peaceful utopia is surely within God's capability. I wonder why he didn't create that instead. Are humans and earth God's effort at a cosmic joke?
God did create that. It was Lucifer's pride that brought sin into the world.
He could've gone the peaceful utopia route, but decided to give us free will instead and fallible human nature. Elon is building the robots that obey orders.
1 John 5:19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
John 12:31 Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
Satan rules this system of things.
Q said the truth would send nearly everyone to the hospital, so it must be pretty grim. Full disclosure might qualify. Q also said the truth is not for everyone. I don't think there will be full disclosure foisted on humanity in the foreseeable future. Maybe partial disclosure.
I use to feel the same way. But if you read the playbook... all the whistleblowers are now coming out to say they know but can't blow their whistle. Which IMO is the scripted foreplay to disclosure. But yea, look how long it took the JFK files and the disclosure was a bust. Then we have unarguable proof about 911 and there is still zero disclosure.
From a different perspective, perhaps this could be be a key litmus test for President Trump. If he is unwilling or unable to release the truth... Democrats will hammer him with it.
The timeline? Who knows really. I am just ready for it. Awesome tech and an upgrade on the origin of Earth and Humans. (Please nobody hammer me with scriptures here).
Sort of disagree. Math isn't wrong, but contextually I disagree.
I just be derpin with Kurp on this one. It's the same old shit rebranded. Call em Watchers, the Fallen, Nephilim, gods of old, ayyyyliens, extra dimensional entities.... it's all the same and the same weirdo-class heirophants throughout history attempt to harness their faggotry and accelerate prophecy in order to further control and manipulate the world via kaa baa laa shenanigans.
Boring and repetitive, the oldest trick in the book. Social engineering on the spiritual level in order to mind control the masses. TPTB can take that illithid tadpole and shove it back up their own collective asses, because my sinus is so full of premium crayon dust their sinister slippery shit isn't slithering into my brain-case!