Did you notice that the world's most popular search engine has been almost entirely a facade for over 5 years now?
Not just a 'left leaning' or 'ivermectin censoring' engine, but an engine that is almost entirely an illusion.
The publicly accessible version of Google Search now has less than one-hundred-thousandth of the web searching ability it had in 2005.
Did you even notice?
Did you notice that nearly every other search engine (DuckDuckGo, Bing, Yahoo... even Russia's Yandex) is a similarly fake search engine?
Want more details?
Here's a post and a video from a couple of noticers.
I call BS on this. I regularly use Yandex to search for content on this board and I am never disappointed. It works better than the search bar on this site.
And I know the content here is generated by real people and new content is added everyday, and new content keeps showing up.
So whats the problem with the "dead internet theory"? Its like flat earth theory. Takes a legitimate real problem, in this case search engines censoring pages + reduced quality over last few years as the "CIA servers" started getting pulled out, and use unrelated superficial issue (Search engines showing hugely large number of results when the actual results are much smaller) and put together to make us believe something that can be disproven just by observation.
And the most spectacular (but superficial) part of this theory? The fact that Google (and I assume other search engines) display millions of pages as being available, but once you start clicking it much smaller number of pages.
Infact Google fixed this problem, Bing still has it, but when you search something like "Trump" you can go up to 600 pages. It might not be literally every single page on the earth, but definitely the pages worth indexing (of course after eliminating everything they censor, which they do - but is not the point of this theory).
So, sorry. to burst your bubble, but dead internet theory is not real.
Yandex produces about 250 results for the same test query (climate change) and nearly all from the officially sanctioned "trusted" sources, and sources that don't question the official climate change narrative.
With a real search engine, there would be millions (if not billions) of results for 'climate change'.
Yandex also hit me with a Captcha for the 'suspicious activity' of viewing results beyond the first 100 😄
Seems like that is more about censoring than searching ability. I can find nearly anything with google, just have to be very specific with search terms and use key words specific to what a person is trying to find. If google is being a real censoring snot I will try other search engines. Brave works most of the time in those situations.
OP's five orders of magnitude seems about right. Archie and Veronica (search tools) were supposed to provide everything everywhere, and Google started with that approach and over time realized that its algorithmic results were not hurt by indexing everything and selecting from the index (total resources are indeed a limit but not that much of one), and over more time all its woke filters got worked into that algorithm. Getting 100-300 max results on any item is insanely wrong and not search. One would think the market would intervene ....
Pretty much, yea. If no prior knowledge then start with a generic result and start reading, pick out words or phrases that go in the direction you want and keep refining from there. It takes time. But yea, we shouldn't have to do it that way.
Actually, it's worse than that.
You can know that the page exists and have the exact text on the page in your query and Yandex can (and frequently will) still disallow it from showing up in your search results.
And it's not a minor censorship thing; all of these these engines that we're led to believe are competing against each other to be the most capable and most popular are simultaneously blocking off the vast majority of the Internet.
Your searches are being performed on a tiny pocket of the Internet that someone has deemed permissible.
That's not what worries me most though.
What worries me most is that they predicted that the vast majority of the public wouldn't even notice, and they were apparently right.
kek. Just came back to check comments from yesterday and I see that people didn't agree with what I said.
Could always go the tor route......
I've been using Yandex exclusively for years and there's a world of difference between it and DDG or what GOOG was about the last time I used it which was probably around 6 years ago.
But it very rapid is becoming real though.
Between new legislation and governmental bodies controlling Big Tech (See OFCOM and UK's OSA as an example, Brazil's attempts against X too.), ISPs and service providers colluding to block independent content (See Kiwifarms' very long history of fighting to stay alive, especially during #DropKiwiFarms), and the ever increasing bot and shill activity online to manufacture consensus on literaly anything, it's not a fallacious argument to argue D.I.T is at least happening right now.
I would have agreed in 2020, but if we are looking at the momentum of things, if anyting Internet is becoming more alive by the day.
Yeah, people who think the internet is dead just don't have access to data brokers and private p2p forums. For all the low effort peeps who want an easy fix just try Luxxle.com. It is much better than most of the other ones except for maybe yandex.com But it is better than almost every other general search engine for political stuff and medical/health research. Try https://luxxle.com/luxsearch?q=climate%20change
Try all your favorite topics. It doesn't disappoint.
Now what about all the people who want to actually be high effort? They should start with the public facing dark web. Want to go deeper? Start actually spending money/proving yourself to get access. All the best stuff has been scrubbed from the free archive sites.
For all the super techies/programmers hers is a reminder: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=google+search+appliance&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=google+appliance&_osacat=0
You guys know what to do now
I am glad this still exists even with all the efforts to centralize all forum sites. Some of them probably disallow SE indexing for a reason.
Yandex is good.
There is room for a real search engine. What's out there now are basically ad revenue generating machines
One of the leading theories is that they offer to buy them out as soon as they enter the scene, with the alternative of being sued for linking to illegal, harmful or hateful content (ie, normal search engine indexing & linking minus the legal immunity granted to Google).
Seems prettyslimey of them, checks out
So many things I have from 2005 are gone!
Agreed! Although not gone, just hard to find. There was an article I used to search for, which came up fairly easily, that is now impossible to find unless you specify the site: verb to force it to show results from that site.
Used to be, I could find the Dr. Roseneau 1918 Spanish Flu research article by searching for "none of them took sick" in quotes to find that exact phrase, but now I have to add site:ggarchives.com or it will not pull it up. Try it!
It is a marketing tool.
Technically it's an intelligence community project.
Yes. We've noticed... It's bullshit.
Forget anything religious, political or conspiracy related.
Just doing a search on technical related information has SERIOUSLY been throttled WAY back.
I remember researching (and autodidactic learning) circa 2005 - with an endless group of tabs and browser windows, drilling down on the same topic, device or applications thereof.
Now EVERYTHING has been dumbed WAY DOWN and geared towards low IQ retards that can't read.... couple that with Photobucket, Geocities, Yahoo and others that just ripped out huge chunks of grassroots submitted information, along with 2008, C19 and "economic factors" and the interwebs are a shadow of their previous usefulness to real researching...
And of course let's not ignore Getty, alamy et al claiming every damned photo on the net and shitting it up with their gatekeeping, watermark and paywall horseshit... and others....
The pain is real... IYKYK. If you're a dork that has no business with a computer other than lifelog and telling the world what you had for dinner after you show off your drilled plastic soda cap crafts - you won't get it.
I think theyre all connected. Just my retarded brain thinking outloud here.
That clock isnt broken sir, time is actually stopped
I use the Duck and doesn't show how many results it just goes too the next page on an on, not sure how many have been Skewed.
Using climate change as our search query (with or without quotation marks), we get about 670 results that use virtually the same illusion tricks as Google. Nearly all of the results are from sources in which the official narrative is not questioned, the majority of which are from the same officially sanctioned, 'trusted' institutions that Google shows, with repeats of those institutions to pad the results (npr 14, nasa 27, nytimes 15, ipcc 15, etc).
DDG just uses google and its affiliate engines iirc. As does brave search sadly, brave has the advantage of not shoving googles ad network down your throat however
Its not a dead internet, its a walled internet. Every single website rejects crawlers and attempts to stop the flow of information, instead paying google yo promote whatever is in vogue - most of them coming from leftist concerns that were probably funded by the government.
You can find real content, but you can't drive on the nicely paved asphalt - you have to use forums, chat, and p2p and all of the things that take effort. And you will come up against the seedy things the internet offers.
And none of it is returned by internet searches, for several reasons. Mainly, though, it's costs. If you ever run your own index, you know that a large data set takes a decent amount of processing power to index and then the search is fast. Now imagine having 10,000 users operating inside your dataset and creating constant changes. The costs of supporting the processing go through the roof. Hardware, power, troubleshooting, what have you. Now expand that to a global index. Its not impossible, but everyone trying to build a better search engine will run out of money long before the goog is threatened. So the goog has been cutting corners since they became the kings back in the 00s.
I'm really tired of the Duck! Ready for [G][O]. Soon pls?
u/#q452
What would happen if we all turned off the wi fi on our phones and homes for one week? I veture we would be 10x more peaceful amd 100x smarter.
What about Freespoke? I remember Scavino posting about that one repetitively a while back.
Hers some to try.
Presearch, Pickle, 4get, Yippy, Wilby, DERPA Block, Fuck Off Google, YaCy, Josh Who, pdfeyes, udm14, Result Hunter and mojeek,
::GASP:: Nooooo. You don't say. 😯
If you know how to actually use a search engine this is easily disproven
Yes, I've been using Grok.
Google works just fine for finding recipies and gardening tips, but oddly enough, even those have been downsized in the past couple of years. Mainly I’ve noticed the people who pay, get their info to the top, and those people have ads on their websites. However, I’ve not searched for anything political in years, I go to GAW and other places to find links. And I GREATLY APPRECIATE those how have the time and energy to research and post here.
To clarify, it's not that Google can't find an apple pie recipe, or even 100 apple pie recipes, it's that there were another 50,000 apple pie recipes on the Internet that Google deliberately told you don't exist by completely removing them from the search results (just an example).
These search engines are supposed to (and did a very short time ago) give you all of the results that exist on the Internet, sorted according to what would likely be of most value to you, based on your query and other factors. With exception to pages that explicitly instruct the engine crawler to exclude them from search results.
Instead they're only pulling from a tiny pocket of the apple-pie-recipe-containing Internet and telling you (through omission) that the rest of the apple-pie-recipe-containing Internet doesn't even exist.
But it goes even further than that. With a great many things for which there should be many thousands of results, these search engines will now literally tell you there are 0 results.
For comparison, in 2010, you had to actually put in effort to find something that had 0 results. You could type in random strings of 32 characters and there would still usually be at least one exact-phrase result for it.
That's what happens when you have a real search engine searching a real Internet composed of many years of contributions from real people, on a planet with billions of people, with scannable, uploadable literature spanning centuries.
They have been trying to sanitize the search engines for a while now but you can still get through that and avoiding captcha's thinking you are bot if you go beyond 29 pages of searches.
Many have known this for years, have NEVER used it. It is compromised.
And where did this data come from? I’m doubting a physical file cabinet.🤔
haven’t used it in years
Yes, we noticed. Always useless and frustrating. Try searching maps for a buffet, every restaurant in town comes up. BAD.
If you don't search political subjects, google works fine. Bit ad heavy but it works. Same wirh Reddit. If you avoid politics there IS accurate, useful info there.
It’s definitely controlled by money. What you see is who can pay. Amazon can always pay.