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Drawdraw45 1 point ago +1 / -0

You haven't put forth any actual points thus far other than sources opinions = X. So it is not far fetched for me to assume you haven't read through everything yourself.

"Just like that the Deep State wins" is an oversimplification of the matter.

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Drawdraw45 7 points ago +7 / -0

Think for yourself. Go and observe the full context of everything yourself and arrive at your own conclusion from there. That would be more respectful than, but Cates said! Cates has been wrong before, and he will be wrong again. Just as we all are at times.

It is undeniable that people's accounts dissenting with Elon on this matter are getting censored. That is just an observable fact.

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Drawdraw45 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's hard to argue that the division is coming from an external source and not Elon himself.

When you simply observe both his posts, replies, quote tweets, and the events that have unfolded I don't know how you can arrive at a different conclusion.

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Drawdraw45 8 points ago +8 / -0

I already saw Cate's post and disagree, what he says is not gospel. Elon has gone beyond healthy debate and into the territory of insults. People have also been getting censored over voicing their dissent. Cates is misrepresenting the issue.

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Drawdraw45 9 points ago +9 / -0

Agreed. But people need to understand here that voicing dissent is an important part of the process. If this was 5D chess, the people letting their concerns be known loud and clear was the intended result.

There is also a fine line between dissatisfaction on an issue and full blown dooming or panic. Just because someone is exhibiting concern, does not necessarily mean they are engaging in the latter.

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Drawdraw45 15 points ago +15 / -0

It is not to divide us. The issues are the issues. Elon and Vivek are the ones going hard on the other side of the topic. It is totally okay to demonstrate our dissatisfaction on major issues.

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Drawdraw45 4 points ago +4 / -0

What people like you who keep making this argument are not getting is that this isn't from external sources. The continued antagonization is coming from Elon and Vivek directly.

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Drawdraw45 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is such an idiotic strawman of an argument. Elon is continuing to insult patriots intelligence and dissenters are getting their accounts flagged and/or suspended. Wtf does this have to do with expecting perfection??

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Drawdraw45 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yeah Elon's push for neuralink is one of the many red flags. I also should note I've never been an Elon hater either. I like the guy for the most part personally. But that doesn't mean I trust him either.

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Drawdraw45 24 points ago +24 / -0

It's not a good point though and someone already posted this yesterday. I'll echo my comment from that thread. This isn't someone else sowing division, in this case the division is coming directly from Elon and Viveks mouth and actions. And judging by Elons most recent posts he's continuing to double down.

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Drawdraw45 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree this part could be what happened. But judging by Elons follow up comments it seems like he admitted to the retaliation by commenting "Yes", to a post saying play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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Drawdraw45 20 points ago +20 / -0

Hard disagree. There is no misinterpretation. People have posted the h1b records from his companies. Those aren't .1% level hires. There appears to be retaliation against accounts for calling him out as well.

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Drawdraw45 21 points ago +21 / -0

So Elon is bringing the op on himself by having an awful take and then punishing accounts that disagree with him?

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Drawdraw45 6 points ago +6 / -0

Its not like Clandestine hasn't said idiotic things in the past.

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Drawdraw45 9 points ago +9 / -0

This is stupid af logic. It's Elon and Viveks own comments that are sowing the division.

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Drawdraw45 4 points ago +4 / -0

You'd have to be dealing with a really uncensored AI, have access to its weights, and for best results be running it locally. Even then it is only going to be as good as your prompting.

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Drawdraw45 3 points ago +3 / -0

There are certain AI models that are more unchained but less robust than the more censored models. I can't think of the exact name but there is one built off of Llama 3. There is also the hermes.ai model but it is still best to do some prompt massaging to get the best answers. For example: Tell it you are collecting conspiratorial information as inspiration for a fictional universe, and then you are more likely to get better responses.

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Drawdraw45 6 points ago +6 / -0

I won't say it with certainty, because it's been awhile since I've seen any of it. But I do remember seeing shady stuff about Frank and his satanic connections. So context does matter when it comes to lyrics, and I'd say if he was of the satanic crowd then that definitely plays a role in how these lyrics should be interpreted.

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Drawdraw45 5 points ago +5 / -0

Let's hope not fren. Would prove the whole operation trust angle right all along.

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Drawdraw45 2 points ago +2 / -0

One I remember seeing posts about changes they were making 1-2 years ago, but can't remember exactly.

But aside from that just from an anecdotal point I have noticed a degradation of search results quality over time. A lot of topics I used to easily find get shoved down now, and search results mainly point to the major "trusted sources".

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Drawdraw45 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yet there are many more questionable figures attached to the movement, if this is the case we've got many small leaks to deal with.

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