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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have heard that the 'dogs' version is a lot less applicable to humans than the horse version, for reasons I don't understand. Just be aware it may be different (different carriers, etc).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

All good info. One other item of interest - drug interactions. There are several people out there who will tell you that their pharmacist has refused to issue an Rx for some drug that their doctor prescribed because the doc didn't catch the interactions (with other meds the patient is on). Pharmacists are specifically focused on such things. I have no idea if Ivermectin has any such interactions, but something to be aware of.

Also - you covered 'concentration/suspension' already, but specific 'delivery issues' can come into play. Not sure of the best way to explain this, other than by example. Many meds say you need to take 'on a full stomach', and some say 'do not crush', 'do not chew', and so on. Some meds can really damage the linings of the stomach, intestine, etc, and are specially 'coated' in such a way that they release / dissolve in a carefully controlled manner. These coatings may be designed specifically with the human stomach / intestine in mind. A digestive system largely tasked with processing 'hay' and 'grass' may be quite different from a system (human) designed to digest everything from lamb to prawns to sauerkraut to vodka! Having said that, I would hope the human system is way more sophisticated and thus, capable of handling anything thrown at a horse!

Edit to add - my g/f recently had surgery (appendectomy) and was prescribed something as benign as Ibuprofen during recovery - but it was 400 mg, which is stronger than 'over the counter'. She dutifully took it as prescribed, for pain. She ended up back in ER due to blood in the stool (docs told us to look out for blood in case the surgery site itself was bleeding). The ibuprofen was too strong for her stomach and caused internal bleeding! When things like that can happen with something as benign as ibuprofen (Advil), it does make me think twice about dosing in general.

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry typo! I did get what you said.

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh wow, lucky you! I didn't know detached retina could be fixed that way. In our case, it was full-on surgery. I read about it after, they insert 3- or 4 needles/tools into the eyeball and do magic inside the eye! They really did work wonders and I have incredible respect for what they did. A month later and her eyesight was actually better than it was beforehand. I got chatting to one of the nurses while waiting for her to get wheeled away to surgery, and they said they've always worn masks in surgery. The only new thing is the patient wearing a mask. So at least the docs/nurses are being consistent; if masks didn't do anything, they were still willing to wear them 5, 10 years ago!

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IvanMectin 5 points ago +5 / -0

Masks and hospitals / surgery are somewhat interesting. Doctors have worn masks while performing surgery for decades. They do so not to protect themselves, but to protect you (the patient) while your body is 'opened up' - to stop bits of saliva / bacteria getting from their mouths / noses into your body. So I don't really feel that fighting a hospital over masks is a valid hill to die on. IF doctors and nurses never wore masks prior to C19, I'd think differently but at the very least, they are consistent.

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

How long ago/where? My friend had retinal detachment surgery in July in CA, and had to have a hospital-administered C-19 PCR test 72 hours before the surgery, as well as wearing a mask throughout the surgery (well, until she went under, anyway).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

But he loves his job, and perhaps has bills to pay - it's all very well theorizing about these things but bills, mortgages, are real issues and most of us need a job. If he can easily get another job, then great - but what are the chances that new job won't impose similar restrictions?

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think he said he was using the 'mask' as a trial balloon before challenging a likely vax mandate.

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't 'fight the fight' which is a big issue for many here, but if you are 'in the trenches' and your job is on the line, then wtf - wear a silly non-functional mask! My local gym started requiring masks recently. I have acquired dozens of different types of masks over the months, and I went through and tried each one to see which was the least impactive when breathing hard. I found one that just happened to be a typical 'hospital' or 'surgical' mask, but had some kind of an insert that held the 'form' better, and I had no problem wearing it for 90 minutes while breathing hard and sweating like a pig! I got a pack of 100 on Amazon for next-to-nothing (masks are dirt-cheap these days).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Q2 - I'll look into it further - thanks for humoring me.

Q1 - I fully appreciate how 'giving up your soul willingly to evil is a slap in the face to God'. But as I said - if I truly believe my doctor is a good person, and I truly believe the medical establishment is honorable, then taking the jab is not willingly giving up my soul. Your position assumes the people taking the jab are doing so in full knowledge that there is evil behind it, and that makes zero sense - if you KNEW it was bad for you, you wouldn't take it!

Yes, maybe some people are grudgingly taking the jab because they feel like it's a necessary compromise - need it to keep a job, etc. But I live in a community of over-55s; approx 18,000 people. I can guarantee you 99% of those people have taken the jab, and I can assure you they did not do so thinking they were being poisoned. "Thank God for the vaccine" is a common refrain.

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Great point. There needs to be a text version of videos so people like me who can't watch videos / listen to audio while at work (or even at home, a lot of the time) can read the content.

You Tube has a half-decent 'closed caption' feature that tries to dynamically convert video (actually, the audio) to text, but it's pretty crappy and you still have to read it in 'real time'. We need a tool that takes a video, and produces a half-decent rendition of the content into readable text that we can read at our own pace.

What I don't understand is, why don't the people who produce these videos spend their time composing a 'document' (text) instead? Does no one want to read any more?

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Remember the International Dateline also ... right now here in USA, east coast, is 1:30pm on Thursday; it's Friday morning 3:30am in Sydney. So references to 'days' can be a bit confusing. There may also be some serious local caching of web pages from Australia, carried out by your ISP, to reduce international traffic.

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can do an 'NDA' with the leaders of an organization, but you can't do an NDA with individual members (that is - the actual truck drivers themselves).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Starbucks was a 'well known' symbolic choice; the better choice would be Monsanto, or some other global agri-business player that produces the grain or other key ingredient of a good deal of the world's food supply. But regardless of 'who', there are two points I think are worth pursuing.

  1. your point about how taking the jab is a slap in the face of God; how can that be if you trust your doctor / the medical establishment? I know lots of people who have taken the jab and were overjoyed to do so, and felt it was the best way to return to 'normalcy' - so I don't see how you can construe that as a slap in the face of God. If they die, they die because they were deceived, plain and simple.

  2. if we 'give a pass' to 'certain disarmed and submissive populations' - that means, the massive population reduction (far more than 2/3rds, if we are to reach the 500m goal - more like 93% - 500m/7.6B = 7% ) will disproportionally hit places like the US. So if we need to wipe out 93% of the population, and we also need to leave places like China alone, you are probably looking at wiping out 98% of the US, and possibly Europe. Do you really think the Cabal can continue to live a worthwhile lifestyle with only 2% of the population remaining? Who cleans the toilets? delivers the food? Does the US become a food-producing wasteland, with the Cabal all moving to China to have access to slaves/servants/etc?

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I appreciate you discussing this with me. I thought more about it.

Would you agree that the Deep State is entirely capable of poisoning the Starbucks supply chain and blaming it on, say, ISIS? A classic False Flag operation. So why not poison Starbucks coffee beans, and kill millions that way, AND sow hatred against ISIS while they are at it? (or some right-wing group, even better). That would take care of 'hiding their fault'. As for "Because the people who are in charge don’t do the killing directly themselves" - they are just as involved in developing a 'vaccine' as they would be in poisoning a supply chain.

Regarding "Take the jab and boosters to willingly kill themselves. They want them to give up their soul to them willingly with not much of a fight ... people giving up their souls like this is a direct slap or spit in the face to God." If I walk into Starbucks, I do so based on a trust that Starbucks, and the structures 'behind' them (water supply, food supply, delivery systems, etc) are not out to kill me. And if I walk into my doctors office and take the 'jab', I do so based on a trust that doctors are well trained and committed to my wellbeing. So in neither case am I "willingly killing myself". Only if you buy into the conspiracy that the jab is poison would you think that, and if you think that then you wouldn't take it! So anyone taking the jab is, by definition, not expecting to die.

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's take it as a given, for the sake of argument, that there is a serious plan to reduce the world population by a factor of 15 to 500M; why would they not do it by far more straight-forward and efficient means? Releasing an airborn bioweapon and then developing a deadly vaccine seems to be a terrible way to go about achieving that goal.

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well I can agree that the Chinese are a very productive people. Not only do they make everything in the world, when they come here they work harder and study harder than any 'local', and I respect and admire that.

But I don't buy the concept that there is a major push by the Cabal to depopulate; we need tax-paying, road digging, crop-picking workers around the world. Current world population is 7.6Bn; to drop down to 500M would be a reduction by a factor of 15. What is the rationale behind that?

I no longer watch 'videos' for information; there's virtually nothing that can't be presented in writing (text on a page) rather than in video form, but video makes it 10x harder to 'discuss'. I'm sick of wasting 45 minutes sitting through a video that is full of junk just to get a 5 minute nugget of information. Give me a web page or document and I can scan through to find the useful info, and if I have questions or comments, I can copy/paste to reference it. With a video, I have to say "I don't agree with what is said at the 37 minute 15 second mark ...". I honestly believe videos are used by a lot of people because it makes it much harder to challenge or disagree. If you have a text version of the referenced sites, I'll gladly read them (plus - watching a video is more anti-social - I'd have to put on headphones so as not to bother those around me who don't want to listen to my laptop blaring out dialog all night!).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Overbearing! really. Here's a guy hoping to have cancer surgery, which sounds like a pretty darn serious thing, and he's worrying about a 10 second tickling sensation. If it's a choice between a PCR test and Ice Cream, go for Ice Cream. But if it's a choice between a PCR test and life-saving cancer surgery, I'd say, the test is trivial.

I've had 2 PCR tests so far for different reasons. I can guarantee you, it's a sterile bit of cotton that goes up your nose; only AFTER they've taken the cotton from your nose do they then subject it to testing with 'God knows what'.

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

OK, you've given good examples of how people can be coerced, but your examples are of how peasants / uneducated / poor people can be coerced; that's different from highly educated and smart doctors. And yes, I've been around a while and I'm familiar with the Khmer Rouge, and I've seen the Killing Fields. I don't think that's applicable to this situation ... but still, yes it can happen.

But what about the discussion about '500,000,000' - why kill productive people in the US - why not peasants in China or India or starving people in Africa? How does the Cabal continue without a sea of sheep to toil in their factories and fields? And why such an elaborate scheme - engineer a bioweapon, then engineer a vaccine ...? Does the Cabal not control businesses like Starbucks? Put some poison in the coffee at Starbucks and you've achieved the goal far more directly (40% of the US claimed they used a starbucks in the past 3 months).

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

By all means go for Ivermectin, but please, please, please get the dosage right. It's true the various 'preparations' (for horses, dogs, humans, etc), as well as the various 'delivery methods' (oral, injection, topical, etc) all contain the same active ingredient, but the carriers and strength and such make a big difference.

Just think about how you can buy 'fast acting', 'slow release', and standard tylenol - as just a simple example. They are all the same active ingredient, but the 'slow release' is coated in a way that slows down the absorption into the body, while the 'fast acting' is packaged in a way to more rapidly get into the body.

Taking something packaged for delivery into a horse's body is not without significant risk .... I read here people buying various preparations of Ivermectin, and not knowing whether to eat it or rub it on their thighs ...

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

My girlfriend had serious eye surgery last month. She had to have the test a few days ahead, just like you. The 'probe up the nose' is over before you even realize what's going on ... just an intense tickle sensation. If I had cancer surgery coming up, I'd put up with a ticklish nose for a minute or two!

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IvanMectin 1 point ago +1 / -0

I absolutely promise - swear on the grave of my mother - that if I get sick, I'll report back here.

Let me also add - I'm over 60, so perhaps I have a different perspective.

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

How do you 'coerce' millions of doctors? I know doctors; I work with doctors; they are an arrogant bunch of people who are extremely independent. They are my least favorite clients other than lawyers. They make a lot of money and there's very little control over their behavior. I really don't like them. But - they know their stuff and would never take any action that would knowingly harm their patients - of that, I'm confident. There are 900,000 doctors in the US. That's a lot of coercion!

If I wanted to reduce world population, I'd want to get rid of starving people in Africa, not productive hard working people in the US. And if I were the Cabal, I'd want to get rid of those opposing me, not the 'faithful' (sheep) who believe in 'government'. The cabal needs people to work in the fields, the factories, the services. But if I really were hell-bent on killing millions of people, why not just infect the food supply - hit a McDonalds supply chain or poison the milk, or bottled water, or whatever. Why invent a complex, expensive method that requires so many participants?

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IvanMectin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well said - a rare voice of courage and reason here. Q never said a word against the vax, and Trump endorsed it, as you said. As others have pointed out, there is zero possibility that all the millions of doctors around the world could be somehow coerced into taking a course of action contrary to their training and beliefs. Big Pharma is an atrocity, as you say, but in this one case they actually did something useful!

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