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Shalomtoyou 4 points ago +4 / -0

You know, mass sterilization sure is a windfall for the LGBT types. They'll argue what difference it makes once everyone is infertile.

Except the purebloods of course.

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Shalomtoyou 4 points ago +4 / -0

Does his wife need a boyfriend?

(Sorry, couldn't resist, no offense meant)

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

...... that's your best? Old Jewish tradition to not write down the name so as it cannot be disrespected in future copies of the document.

If it upsets you... again, I don't much care.

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Shalomtoyou 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, I think the political explanation is more realistic.

There's a lot of mixing up over the generations. Someone today might be a descendant of Babylon, but how would we know, what with all the countries rising and falling.

There's a few exceptions. China has been around an awful long time. And though they went through many dynasties due to internal conflict, they haven't often been conquered by outside forces. So a Chinese person who traces their Chinese roots back 5000 years could be plausible.

There's some of that in Judaism as well, due to tribes and the Cohens. Tribal heritage is determined by your father. So if you're a convert, your tribe might just be a general "Israel" or maybe accepted into the tribe of Judah, but you wouldn't be considered a Cohen or a Levite. We still have people who identify as Levites today (including myself). As well as Cohen. A Cohen means they are a descendent of the priesthood, which ultimately means that their father-son line goes all the way back to Aaron. Levites and Cohens today have special ceremonies or rituals that they may conduct in synagogues.

For example, during the Yom Kippur ritual, a Rabbi may ask anyone who is a Cohen to step to the front of the Synagogue, face the congregation, and raise their hands during a certain prayer. (I can't remember which prayer it is. And since Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashonah services are many hours long... about half the day just for one of them... that's a lot of prayers).

There is a strong Jewish custom to marry within the faith. Of course, history is replete with Jews marrying gentiles due to proximity, love, and some intermixing will be due to rape. (One of the reasons a person is Jewish due to the identity of his mother. A raped woman who had to raise the offspring at least could count that her child would not be excluded from the community by being considered a gentile). At one point, all Jews were orthodox. Now, the orthodox seem like a minority of the Jewish community while most Jews you might know are Reform. But in the future, all Jews may be orthodox again. Why? Because the orthodox have children that they raise Jewish. Reform are more likely to marry non-Jews, and then the children will be half-Jewish, the grandchildren quarter-jewish, and by then the Jewish identity is so diluted as to not be worth mentioning about.

Which led to the joke about Trump.

What does Donald Trump have that most of his Reform Jewish critics do not have?

Answer: Jewish grandchildren.

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't.

If you disbelieve me, I don't give a shit. G-d knows the truth, and it is by him I will be judged, not a Jew hater like yourself.

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Shalomtoyou 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not that familiar with the Japheth lineage theory, so I can't give a good answer on that one.

Technically modern Jews today are mostly descendants of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin.

There are some converts however. This where the "Khazar" theory comes into play.

The story as I understand it is the Khazarian king was considering converting to one of the monotheistic religions. There are two stories of this I know.

One is that he asked a Priest, an Iman, and a Rabbi to explain their religion. Upon hearing their testimony, he said: "One says Mohammad is the prophet of G-d. Two say he is not. One says Jesus is the son of G-d. Two say he is not. But all three say that G-d revealed himself to the Israelites at Sinai, so I will go with Judaism."

The second theory is that since Christianity and Islam were at war, the conversion to Judaism was a way to remain neutral and be able to continue trade with both sides.

There may be other rationales.

There is a theory that a lot of Jews today are descendants of Khazarian converts. How many? I have absolutely no idea.

On the other hand, Judaism states that a convert to Judaism is just as Jewish as anyone who is directly descended from anyone who stood directly on the foothills of Sinai itself. Ruth was the first convert to Judaism. She was an ancestor of King David. And the Messiah will be of the house of King David. So the messiah himself will be the descendent of a convert.

But there's also the Eruv Rav, the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf at the foot of Sinai. So there is no shortage of examples of Jews shooting ourselves in the foot.

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +5 / -3

From a Jew's perspective:

The lost tribes have not been recovered, that is true.

The Torah predicts the Jews would be scattered into Diaspora and G-d will bring them back to the holy land when the time is right.

The deadline for this and the return of the Messiah is the year 6000 on the Jewish Calendar.

Right now we are in the year 5782.

Although the modern state of Israel exists, the Jews are still considered to be in Diaspora, and we will be until the Third Temple is built. This will be tricky, due to the presence of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque on the Temple Mount.

G-d does work through human agents, however.

Is the modern State of Israel the beginning of the age of the Messiah, where there is a template for him to work with to bring back the Exiles and rebuild the Temple?

Maybe.

Is the modern State of Israel an experiment that will fail and the Jews will suffer yet another crushing defeat and the Messiah will have to do his work without this existing template?

Maybe.

Could it be an either/or? That if the Israelis are righteous they earn the first scenario, and if they turn from G-d, it will be the second?

Maybe. I think this is the most likely. We're not out of the woods yet.

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then your ill-educated attempt to blame it on the Talmud is meaningless. I don't blame Catholic priests who molest children on the Gospels.

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't fuck and rape children. I know of no Jew who fucks and rapes children under the justification of the Talmud.

The Talmud says marriage should happen when you come of age, and your daughter should have a say in whom she marries, such as "I'd like to marry so and so."

Got any account for that?

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Shalomtoyou 4 points ago +4 / -0

Your link was wrong on the second paragraph. It claims the Talmud is a written version of the oral tradition.

That's not true.

The written version of the oral tradition is the Mishnah, not the Talmud.

The Talmud is a collection of analysis, debates, and anecdotes from the Rabbis on how to interpret the law.

So uh... forgive me if I'm not that impressed with a document with such a glaring error at the very beginning.

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Shalomtoyou 5 points ago +5 / -0

So... Mohammad Atta wasn't Muslim?

Talk about tripping out of the starting gate.

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Shalomtoyou 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bill Gates worships one god.

His god is called Bill Gates.

And he feels anything in accord with Bill Gates's will is good and what opposes it is evil.

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +7 / -5

Thousands of pages of dense writing, hyperbole, folk lore, arguments, disagreements, and stories full of symbolism.

Anyone who pulls out some out of context lines and shrieks it's proof the Joooos are evil is a fool.

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Shalomtoyou 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lucky your Mom believes you about Covid propaganda. Mine still believes it. And the stuff about Ukraine. Fortunately, she agrees with me when I said stuff like: "We do not need a nuclear war. Give Putin an out" with reference to old Biblical laws about only sieging a city on 3 sides. (It's easier if they have a way to escape so their back isn't against the wall and they're in the Alamo)

But the gaps that are there.... she believed BLM never killed anyone. Never heard of David Dorn. Wasn't interested in researching him.

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, in the ancient world you would often do that to a defeated people. If Rome defeated Carthage, say, they could kill everybody (maybe) or enslave them. Or maybe you leave them there and demand they pay tribute.

Problem with tribute is if you keep them on their own land, they might regroup and rebel.

So a trick they did was.... say you beat city A and City B and they're in separate parts of the world. You relocate the people from City A to City B, and city B to A. That way they are dealing with a new place, a new language, new weather systems and they're so busy dealing with the unfamiliar that they can't organize and rebel.

And over the years, the people of A lose their culture and become more like the Empire. and people B lose their cultural identity and join the empire.

That's why you don't find people walking around today claiming to be Babylonians or Carthaginians or Assyrians. Maybe there's a descendent of Babylon today, but he calls himself an Iraqi and has no real connection to the ancient culture of Babylon.

There's a few peoples that have been around for an extraordinary long time. One is the Chinese, mostly because they have a large piece of land that they've never been displaced from. They still had political turmoil. with multiple dynasties that came to the scene, grew, became corrupt, fell, and were replaced by the next dynasty.

The other is the Jews, that somehow kept their cultural identity intact inspire centuries of exile in foreign lands. That's unusual. Even more unusual, the Bible predicted this before it happened.

An addendum, though, is that with all the deliberate relocation today by the globohomos (useful enough term) they're trying the same damn thing. Dilute American culture by bringing in Latin America and Afghani culture. Dilute European culture by bringing in Arab culture. And I imagine its the same reason: dilute the possibility of rebellion.

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, strictly speaking it should mean Israelites. But most of the surviving Israelites are from the tribe of Judah, so it became Jews today, though that would include surviving Levites and Benjaminites.

The "lost tribes" refers to those dragged into captivity by the Assyrians.... The Reubenites, Danites, etc. Some may survive, but lost their identity, though some people make that claim here and there.

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +2 / -0

Deuteronomy 28. G-d's promise to the Jews is several fold.

  1. If you follow the commandments, good things will happen. (Good harvest, peace with your family, living comfortably and well.)

  2. If you don't follow the commandments, bad things will happen. (Conquered by outsiders, losing your children, fear, starvation, exile.)

  3. In spite of which, the nation of Israel Weill NEVER fully disappear from the earth.

What does that mean to Jews? Or the Jews in 1939 who didn't flee?

They might not have realized they were enter promise 2, perhaps from the rising Reform movement.

They may thought that they'd be safe due to promise 3.

But the problem with promise 3 is that 99% of the Jews could be horribly murdered with only 1% surviving -- but that 1% is enough to show that G-d kept his word in promise 3.

It's foolish to tempt fate that way.

But we've been through promise 2 multiple times in history already. The Holocaust was just the most recently. There have been other times, particularly the fall of the two temples.

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was writing letters to my state government begging them to do this. And Oklahoma beat my state to the punch.

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