It's complicated but you can get it. The hardest part is realizing that people let this happen, they didn't have the internet to spread info.
Just keep researching it, you probably have all the pieces you just need to believe what you are seeing. It's stupid.
Gesara pales in comparison to the "too good to be true shit going down. Right now" hardly a leap of faith to think they'll correct the economy too since trumps been on it for 4 years already. Giving up gets easy if you do it enough.
Usury is a sin. No one should be collecting interest on anything. Investment = ownership = OK. Loan = Only between family and friends.
Forgiveness of debts should be common practice.
Labor -> wealth. Skilled labor increases value of labor increases wealth. Tools, education, in people's hands, etc -> WEALTH.
There are various ways you can "create" money. Remember: money is a STORE OF VALUE. If I gave my neighbor a cow and he gave me a stone and said, "You can use this stone to get a cow from me in the future", then that stone is now money. I can give it to someone else and they can get a cow, etc...
We have tried various ways of creating money, but in the end, the ONLY way that will work is if money is representative of a good or service to be delivered. That is, an "IOU" = "I owe you (because you gave me something)". It must be a contractual agreement for someone to give or do something in the future.
It CANNOT be based on debt. It CANNOT be based on something of intrinsic value (no such thing exists, except perhaps food. IE, gold is only valuable because people say so.)
Our current money says it is legal tender for all debts, public and private, which means that you can use it to buy anything that can be bought. This is probably what future money will be.
I imagine we live in a world where people are so productive that we have to print money just to keep deflation from occurring. Deflation = value of money goes up, so people wait to buy things -> money flows into the hands of the rich and away from the poor. Inflation = value of money goes down, so people buy things now rather than wait -> no savings or investment, only consuming.
In such a world, with no taxes. the growth in GDP (minus government spending) will be what? 10%? 15%? 20%? MORE? Unleash the American people from taxes, and what will they build? We already know the answer: Star Trek couldn't even conceive of the future we will build if we had our own way.
with 10% growth, we need to print at least 10% more dollar bills to ensure no deflation. (No electronics -- actual pieces of paper!) What do we do with those 10% more dollar bills? We have to get them into circulation. How? Old system = LOANS. New system = SPENDING. Just spend it to buy things government needs, and pass the rest off to the states, so they don't need taxes either. Worst case: just write a check to everyone in the US. (Sounds like UBI?)
Current GDP - government spending = $21T - $7T = $14T (2019)
10% of $14T = $1.4T. Can we run ALL of government on $1.4T? EASY.
New GDP next year: $15.4T. Next Year: $16.9T. Next year: $18.6. Government spending increases 10% each year as well.
10% growth = ~7 years to double. 2026 GDP-government spending: $28T. 2033: $56T 2040: $112T
0 taxes. Just printing money to keep up with the US economy.
Eventually, we reach a point where government doesn't know what to do with the money. At that point, writes a check to every man, woman and child for their portion. 2040: Needs to spend $11T, but government still costs $1T (money value not changing -- economic efficiency increasing!) $10T / 500 million people = $20,000. As long as population growth doesn't beat GDP growth, that number will rise. REMEMBER: no inflation or deflation. 2040 USD = 2020 USD
Silver is a great bet right now. You can buy it at local coin/silver shops, or find it online. I've used APMEX, SD Bullion and JM Bullion. If you can buy in bulk you'll get a discount.
Beware craigslist and eBay -- they are full of counterfeiters.
yeah I was gonna buy gold and or bitcoin, but after joining you lovely folks, I'm convinced that good things are about to happen, and I am not so sure what I should do with my money.
I too am uncertain as to what to do with my fiat - have prayed for a sign...
Lin Wood said to get out of 'paper assets' & into gold/silver/land/etc. hard assets.
Such a difficult decision - I think i may go 1/2 bullion & 1/2 fiat, though my gut tells me to go nearly all bullion...
As Arc-Angel stated, local coin/pawn shops.
If looking online, I've found that SDBullion & Gainesville Coins have low(er) premiums & I've never had an issue (GC did take a while to ship last summer when demand saw a peak).
Herobullion.com is one I've heard good things about (have not used myself) & they are a smaller business - 'Yankee Silver' introduced me to them & i think they are running a promo for his viewers (Yankee has a youtube channel).
With the amount you're looking to purchase, I would recommend 90%/constitutional/junk silver (pre-1965 US coins) & you may be able to find this for a decent price locally.
These two programs are still controlled by [them]. As long as that is still possible, not to mention the current reality of the programs, with Gesara being relabelled The Great Reset, NO WAY.
I've been researching NESARA for years and if it's gonna happen it ain't gonna happen under Biden. Team Biden is half Team Obama and they're the ones who kept it from us the whole time. If Trump does implement NESARA the law states that the President steps down and new elections take place within 120 days. iDK, we'll see what happens.
Are we waxing apocalyptic now? Apocalypse = writings that prophesy the coming of the Messiah and the destruction of the world.
I encourage you fine brethren to not only read Revelation, Daniel, etc... from the Bible (and there are a lot more to be found scattered throughout) but please consider some of the writings found in the Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures. Contained in these is further light and knowledge about what is really happening. I have availed myself of other prophesies I find congruent with the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
To wit: God will reveal his arm before all the nations. The world will be divided into Kingdom of God vs. Kingdom of Satan. God will send forth a final warning to the kingdom of Satan and then the destruction will come. Then, and only then, will Christ come as prophesied, first to rescue the Jews then to execute righteousness upon the entire earth. We get to witness a scene that was seen and prophesied about by many, many righteous people throughout the history of the earth.
Folks, you MUST CHOOSE NOW to follow Christ and nothing else. Get on your knees, confess your sins and beg to be forgiven in the name of Christ. Then search the Bible and follow that above all else.
The time is very, very near now. You MUST choose what side you will be on. You MUST prepare your families for what is to come. There is no more time, not a moment to spare!
I pray that I can see all of you and many, many others in the Kingdom of God on the earth. If the LDS are right, it will not only be mormons there but everyone who is a sincere follower of Christ's teachings, and perhaps even those who don't recognize the full divinity of Christ but follow his teachings regardless. There will be no room for adulterers, soothsayers, false prophets, and those who practice priestcraft (playing a priest only because it's a job, rather than becoming a priest both on and off the clock.)
Our mission, the mission of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was NOT just to convert everyone to Christ: ALL followers of Christ were called to do that, and we were specifically commanded not to interfere! Our mission was to spread the blessings of God throughout the entire earth by administering the sacred ordinances of the temple to seal families together for time and all eternity, and to provide a safe haven for when things go south. I stand ready to receive anyone who needs help during this time, friends, neighbors, even enemies who have accepted Christ's teachings. You will find food and shelter at any of our churches and from any of our members. Our food storage wasn't just to feed our families but yours too.
I have been screaming this for a while now, according to biblical prophecy the whore of babylon must first be defeated (which I believe is happening now) for the antichrists rise in power to take place. Seems everything is in place for everyone to fall for a great delusion.
You are correct- scripture makes it pretty clear that the anti-christ must come before the millennial reign:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
fuck i just finished paying off all my debt last month - cc/student loans/medical. I am debt free for the first time in my adult life and now this? Lol well part of the reason why I was able to finally climb myself out of the hole was 1) moving away from CA and 2) President Trump.
If you can't pay, you have a right to declare bankruptcy.
But I think it says a lot about a man who sticks by his word.
I didn't abandon my house in 2008 even though it was way underwater. Why? Because I wanted to look at myself in the mirror without an ounce of shame.
Not all men can do that, and I do not hold people in lesser regard for having made a difficult decision. Would I do the same in their position? I had a solid job. I praised God every day for it.
Agreed, though P/E for SP500 has not been as high as it is now since prior to the '01 & '08 market corrections.
I'm hesitant to purchase equities at these lofty valuations.
E.g. a P/E of ~40 (overall SP500) is equivalent to ~2.5% yield. So, unless growth is expected, that is not a great return for the risk, imho.
I'm weighting my portfolio towards physical precious metals in hopes of preserving wealth, though who really knows what will happen at this point haha.
This is some sweet hopium. Does a little voice tell you "if it's too good to be true"?
It's not to good to be true, it's reasonable af actually.
I've been trying to understand the Treasury taking over the Fed stuff, but it's over my head.
It's complicated but you can get it. The hardest part is realizing that people let this happen, they didn't have the internet to spread info. Just keep researching it, you probably have all the pieces you just need to believe what you are seeing. It's stupid.
Gesara pales in comparison to the "too good to be true shit going down. Right now" hardly a leap of faith to think they'll correct the economy too since trumps been on it for 4 years already. Giving up gets easy if you do it enough.
Don't confuse skepticism with thinking.
I think you underestimate the immensity of changes that gesara would bring about
One thing about Nesara/Gesara I don't understand.
If all debt will be abolished and no-one will need mortgages to buy a house, how will people find a place to live - what will be the mechanism.
At some point it starts to sound awfully like we will own nothing and be happy about it, which is what the Great Reset was spouting.
Would like to hear more info.
It's much more simple than you realize.
Usury is a sin. No one should be collecting interest on anything. Investment = ownership = OK. Loan = Only between family and friends.
Forgiveness of debts should be common practice.
Labor -> wealth. Skilled labor increases value of labor increases wealth. Tools, education, in people's hands, etc -> WEALTH.
There are various ways you can "create" money. Remember: money is a STORE OF VALUE. If I gave my neighbor a cow and he gave me a stone and said, "You can use this stone to get a cow from me in the future", then that stone is now money. I can give it to someone else and they can get a cow, etc...
We have tried various ways of creating money, but in the end, the ONLY way that will work is if money is representative of a good or service to be delivered. That is, an "IOU" = "I owe you (because you gave me something)". It must be a contractual agreement for someone to give or do something in the future.
It CANNOT be based on debt. It CANNOT be based on something of intrinsic value (no such thing exists, except perhaps food. IE, gold is only valuable because people say so.)
Our current money says it is legal tender for all debts, public and private, which means that you can use it to buy anything that can be bought. This is probably what future money will be.
I imagine we live in a world where people are so productive that we have to print money just to keep deflation from occurring. Deflation = value of money goes up, so people wait to buy things -> money flows into the hands of the rich and away from the poor. Inflation = value of money goes down, so people buy things now rather than wait -> no savings or investment, only consuming.
In such a world, with no taxes. the growth in GDP (minus government spending) will be what? 10%? 15%? 20%? MORE? Unleash the American people from taxes, and what will they build? We already know the answer: Star Trek couldn't even conceive of the future we will build if we had our own way.
with 10% growth, we need to print at least 10% more dollar bills to ensure no deflation. (No electronics -- actual pieces of paper!) What do we do with those 10% more dollar bills? We have to get them into circulation. How? Old system = LOANS. New system = SPENDING. Just spend it to buy things government needs, and pass the rest off to the states, so they don't need taxes either. Worst case: just write a check to everyone in the US. (Sounds like UBI?)
Current GDP - government spending = $21T - $7T = $14T (2019)
10% of $14T = $1.4T. Can we run ALL of government on $1.4T? EASY.
New GDP next year: $15.4T. Next Year: $16.9T. Next year: $18.6. Government spending increases 10% each year as well.
10% growth = ~7 years to double. 2026 GDP-government spending: $28T. 2033: $56T 2040: $112T
0 taxes. Just printing money to keep up with the US economy.
Eventually, we reach a point where government doesn't know what to do with the money. At that point, writes a check to every man, woman and child for their portion. 2040: Needs to spend $11T, but government still costs $1T (money value not changing -- economic efficiency increasing!) $10T / 500 million people = $20,000. As long as population growth doesn't beat GDP growth, that number will rise. REMEMBER: no inflation or deflation. 2040 USD = 2020 USD
What about 20% growth? INSANITY
thanks, that helps me get my head around it a bit
Mortgages still work the same just not open ended or with an outragous percentage
I haven't forgotten my lessons :)
If it looks like a duck..etc.
Thats my line in the sand, too. No signing away sovereignty, no chips, no vax, no oath to a one world god.
For those who recognize patterns:
The websites that promote NES/GES:
1.) have a “New Age” theme or 2.) Try to get you to buy gold or silver
I agree w (1), new age stuff is suspect. Re (2), Lin Wood posted that people should get out of paper assets & into gold/silver/land/etc.
Is it clever to buy some gold right now?
Not that I currently have that much money to buy some extraordinary amount, but maybe for 500$ at least?
What do you guys think?
Yes, silver as well
Silver is a great bet right now. You can buy it at local coin/silver shops, or find it online. I've used APMEX, SD Bullion and JM Bullion. If you can buy in bulk you'll get a discount.
Beware craigslist and eBay -- they are full of counterfeiters.
yeah I was gonna buy gold and or bitcoin, but after joining you lovely folks, I'm convinced that good things are about to happen, and I am not so sure what I should do with my money.
I too am uncertain as to what to do with my fiat - have prayed for a sign... Lin Wood said to get out of 'paper assets' & into gold/silver/land/etc. hard assets. Such a difficult decision - I think i may go 1/2 bullion & 1/2 fiat, though my gut tells me to go nearly all bullion...
As Arc-Angel stated, local coin/pawn shops. If looking online, I've found that SDBullion & Gainesville Coins have low(er) premiums & I've never had an issue (GC did take a while to ship last summer when demand saw a peak). Herobullion.com is one I've heard good things about (have not used myself) & they are a smaller business - 'Yankee Silver' introduced me to them & i think they are running a promo for his viewers (Yankee has a youtube channel). With the amount you're looking to purchase, I would recommend 90%/constitutional/junk silver (pre-1965 US coins) & you may be able to find this for a decent price locally.
'Revert back to agrarian lifestyles and live off the land?' That would be the dream!
Nope. Nope. NOPE!!
These two programs are still controlled by [them]. As long as that is still possible, not to mention the current reality of the programs, with Gesara being relabelled The Great Reset, NO WAY.
Is a debit card ncessary or do I have to invest in real assets? Looking for good investments in a 3rd world country
Same questions here...
I absorbed 3+ years of drops and discussion and research in about 2 months so may have missed a few things.
I dont recall Q mentioning it, but a bunch of anon discussion around it - is it wishful thinking or backed up? Are there any drops about it?
Yeah when?
I've been researching NESARA for years and if it's gonna happen it ain't gonna happen under Biden. Team Biden is half Team Obama and they're the ones who kept it from us the whole time. If Trump does implement NESARA the law states that the President steps down and new elections take place within 120 days. iDK, we'll see what happens.
Yep!!!!
Are we waxing apocalyptic now? Apocalypse = writings that prophesy the coming of the Messiah and the destruction of the world.
I encourage you fine brethren to not only read Revelation, Daniel, etc... from the Bible (and there are a lot more to be found scattered throughout) but please consider some of the writings found in the Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures. Contained in these is further light and knowledge about what is really happening. I have availed myself of other prophesies I find congruent with the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
To wit: God will reveal his arm before all the nations. The world will be divided into Kingdom of God vs. Kingdom of Satan. God will send forth a final warning to the kingdom of Satan and then the destruction will come. Then, and only then, will Christ come as prophesied, first to rescue the Jews then to execute righteousness upon the entire earth. We get to witness a scene that was seen and prophesied about by many, many righteous people throughout the history of the earth.
Folks, you MUST CHOOSE NOW to follow Christ and nothing else. Get on your knees, confess your sins and beg to be forgiven in the name of Christ. Then search the Bible and follow that above all else.
The time is very, very near now. You MUST choose what side you will be on. You MUST prepare your families for what is to come. There is no more time, not a moment to spare!
I pray that I can see all of you and many, many others in the Kingdom of God on the earth. If the LDS are right, it will not only be mormons there but everyone who is a sincere follower of Christ's teachings, and perhaps even those who don't recognize the full divinity of Christ but follow his teachings regardless. There will be no room for adulterers, soothsayers, false prophets, and those who practice priestcraft (playing a priest only because it's a job, rather than becoming a priest both on and off the clock.)
Our mission, the mission of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was NOT just to convert everyone to Christ: ALL followers of Christ were called to do that, and we were specifically commanded not to interfere! Our mission was to spread the blessings of God throughout the entire earth by administering the sacred ordinances of the temple to seal families together for time and all eternity, and to provide a safe haven for when things go south. I stand ready to receive anyone who needs help during this time, friends, neighbors, even enemies who have accepted Christ's teachings. You will find food and shelter at any of our churches and from any of our members. Our food storage wasn't just to feed our families but yours too.
If this happens - and I admit I'm skeptical - what happens to 401Ks?
401K are not debt and should be ok, but by switching to a gold standard may devalue some. I’m not a financial expert but that is my take.
Thanks.
We skipping the whole anti christ and tribulation now?
I have been screaming this for a while now, according to biblical prophecy the whore of babylon must first be defeated (which I believe is happening now) for the antichrists rise in power to take place. Seems everything is in place for everyone to fall for a great delusion.
This started being my fear after watching a video on GESARA and three times they mocked Jesus.
You are correct- scripture makes it pretty clear that the anti-christ must come before the millennial reign:
-- 2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4
Many believe this to be the Pope. It could also be someone like George Soros or any of the Rothschilds, etc...
Any one of them could easily meet all those requirements.
According to Martin Luther's understanding, the pope is the antichrist...
This! Everything hereafter Must be scrutinized!
fuck i just finished paying off all my debt last month - cc/student loans/medical. I am debt free for the first time in my adult life and now this? Lol well part of the reason why I was able to finally climb myself out of the hole was 1) moving away from CA and 2) President Trump.
Definitely a new car but I am saving up to buy a house now that I am in the clear.
Lying and bearing false witness is a sin. If you made a promise to pay back, you must pay it back.
Don't use credit cards to begin with, or pay them off immediately.
If you can't pay, you have a right to declare bankruptcy.
But I think it says a lot about a man who sticks by his word.
I didn't abandon my house in 2008 even though it was way underwater. Why? Because I wanted to look at myself in the mirror without an ounce of shame.
Not all men can do that, and I do not hold people in lesser regard for having made a difficult decision. Would I do the same in their position? I had a solid job. I praised God every day for it.
Those are networks, balances are owed to banks (Capital One, Synchrony, etc)
However, forgiving a certain amount of debt with the seizure procedes is certainly plausible.
The 7TN Q references just about covers the national debt, that must have gone somewhere?
Agreed, though P/E for SP500 has not been as high as it is now since prior to the '01 & '08 market corrections. I'm hesitant to purchase equities at these lofty valuations. E.g. a P/E of ~40 (overall SP500) is equivalent to ~2.5% yield. So, unless growth is expected, that is not a great return for the risk, imho. I'm weighting my portfolio towards physical precious metals in hopes of preserving wealth, though who really knows what will happen at this point haha.