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Help—Trying to square two seemingly opposite ideas about the Wuhan virus ?️ DISCUSSION ?
posted 5 years ago by jlckrause 5 years ago by jlckrause +29 / -0
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– rahu77 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

1.) It's never been isolated. 2.) Has the characteristics and statistical impact of a nasty flu. 3.) Funded by NiH @ Wuhan by questionable folks (read: evil) 4.) mRNA shots are using a sequence provided by..... same folks @ Wuhan because no isolated sample exists to use in a traditional vaccine. (let that sink in) 5.) If not for the fraudulent death/case reporting with the incorrectly calibrated PCR test there would be no pandemic (read: cycle counts > 35 + dying of vs dying with covid)

Just from these truths that have come out, plus known treatments being suppressed, I'd say the shot is the biological attack.

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– deleted 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0
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– Bye_Reddit 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Exactly - coronavirus is a scamdemic but the "vaccines" are most likely a biological weapon.

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– Chris_Pool 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Viruses dont evolve to kill their host, no parasite would survive long if that were the case.

A virus that is highly infectious, would naturally evolve to be less deadly faster than a highly lethal virus that instantly kills its host.

It was made in a lab and escaped, but evolved to be less lethal. Meanwhile trumps enemies overexagerated it to use fear against us.

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– Shockadee 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I would say 1 is correct 2 is partially correct. I don't think it spreads asymptomatically, but even if it does, while I think this was intended to kill many but was neutralized either intentionally or accidentally so only slightly more dangerous than a regular flu.

Just my opinion

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– Chris_Pool 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

100% true that asymptomatic means not sick. If your body isnt fighting anything, theres nothing to fight unless you're immuno-compromised like with AIDS.

If your body isnt fighting a replicating virus, you're gonna die quickly cuz you have no immune system.

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– ToxicLibertyism 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

#2 is wrong. While evidence indicates the virus is indeed a man made, genetically engineered virus, and it *also could meet the technical definition of "bioweapon," the covid "bioweapon" that was designed, and intended as a research tool is not quite the same as a full powered bio-weapon of mass destruction.

Just because a virus is man made, deadly, and can technically fit into the category of a bioweapon it doesn't necessarily mean that the covid bioweapon was intentionally released.

Covid was a research project led by immoral assholes within the pharmaceutical community who knowingly experimented with illegal virus modifications for the goal of profits, and fame. And, they fucked up, leading to a global catastrophe.

The reason "gain of function" research is banned, is because of exactly what happened with covid- a scientific experiment can turn into a little accident that accidentally creates a bio-weapon that causes a human extinction event. Fortunately for the human race, covid19 was not anywhere near as deadly as that "little research accident" could have been.

But now it's time for the governments of the world to understand that fucking around with genetically engineered germs needs to be banned entirely, and those responsible for violations need to die by legal executions, without exceptions.

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– Lapstrake 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Yes, these are both true.

However, it isn't a traditional biological weapon. When we normally think of a bio weapon, we think of a weapon designed only to kill people of a certain ethnicity. Or maybe more commonly a weapon designed to be fast-spreading and highly lethal, and you simply give your own side the cure before you spread it.

This virus isn't either of those. It isn't designed to achieve a goal by killing people outright. It was created to be extremely fast-spreading, but not lethal to most people.

Based on the behavior of the elite cabal that controls our traditional and social media, and the behavior of the elite politicians, the purpose of the virus is to spread fear which could be used for control.

Killing people would have made society fall apart. They don't want anarchy. Anarchy would be very dangerous for the elite. People would have nothing to lose.

They want control. They want to make us dependent on big corporations for food (megafarms out West) consumer goods (Amazon, Walmart, Target, Lowes), Information (Google, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook) as well as all the news networks.

They want to make a fuck-ton of money by nearly mandating the vaccine to the entire planet. But the larger goal is the Vax-pass. That is the holy grail. With the Vax-pass they can ban people from participating in society. No travel. No shopping at Walmart. Eventually no bank account. It will start out just for vaccinations but it would be only a matter of time before they turn it into a general Chinese-style social score.

And they can do this without changing the Constitution. It is all private companies choosing not to do business with the un-vaccinated.

I believe the virus is designed with at least some part of it to have HIV-like characteristics that makes vaccinations fail or need continual renewals. The highly sought-after subscription model where they set up a cash flow from us to them.

At the same time they are trying desperately to destroy the economy through crazy government spending and borrowing. They are on a mission to make life so miserable that welcome the Great Reset and eventually the world wide government. Something we would NEVER do if we were a happy, wealthy nation.

So you can see their panic at the mention of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine. That ruins the whole plan.

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– LoneWulf 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

No, I struggle with the same issue. On one hand, this seems like a complete hoax, but on the other hand it looks like Fauci and his minions have been purposely trying to create a bioweapon.

Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What if Fauci was so inept (not hard to imagine) that his bioweapon flopped and they were reduced to releasing influenza A and B to simulate a crisis?

If you look back, it was Fauci who was front and center during the AIDS crisis. We're now finding out that it wasn't AIDS that people were dying from, but the cure -- ATZ -- that Fauci was pushing.

Perhaps history is repeating itself. We may be spending too much time looking at the disease when we should be looking at the "cure."

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– jlckrause [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Okay. This seems to marry the two ideas in a plausible way. I’ll wander in this direction and see what I find. Thanks.

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– Mr_A 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Tons of people are confused. That's one of the many goals, and the intentional bad statistics and misinformation at all levels is part of it.

On point number 2, I'd say the primary purpose was to enable the fear propaganda machine to pursue the authoritarian takeover, much more than killing directly. (I think of it like the Tet Offensive in the Vietnam War: a military debacle in conventional terms, but a supreme victory in propaganda as it led to our withdrawal from combat.) To me it makes sense that way.

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– jlckrause [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

So, make the virus just real enough for the MSM to hype the fear which leads to control. Sounds right.

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– redtoe-skipper 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Let's get a few things cleared up:

  1. No one has ever isolated the said sarscov-2 virus from a sick patient.
  2. No one has proven in accordance with appropriate scientific postulates that transmission through air is making people sick.

That said:

As a primer: consider what Dr Stefan Lanka has to say on virus creation. He just completed replication tests.

A. Gain of function research is prohibited.

A1. They made the virus such that it could jump from species to species. This all started with SARS back in 2003.

A2. The sequences posted online is not from a under 1 and 2 obtained source, but from a lab, where corona, hiv and other pieces have been put together.

A3. gain of function research can mean: lethality, speed of spread, etc.

B. The virus is an amalgamation of several different strains of RNA, made on a computer. The patent is owned by a.o. Osterhaus en Fourier.

C. The Drosten Paper, to design a PCR test specifically for this computer generated amalgamation, has been tinkered with.

C1. The drosten paper was accepted by EMA within 1 day. This usually takes weeks if not months.

C2.The peer review done nov. last year totally shredded the Drosten paper.

C3. The PCR test cannot tell you whether you are sick, infectious or infected. It just signals that certain parts, which are thought to be connected to the SARS-COV-2 virus, are within you. See Primer above.

C4. However, by assigning labels like infected, infectious, and hyping cases 24/7, it has reinforced the belief something was afoot and it was dangerous.

By hyping a coronavirus, giving it a name: SARS which means: severe acute respiratory Syndrome, which is a description of a medical affliction, not a virus, the wrong information was conveyed intentionally, to enhance confusion. Confusion leads to compliance

D. Covid, is the name of the disease, thought to have been caused by a coronavirus. However, clinically, the sickness is not new, and, is an amalgamation of diseases that may also apply to other sickness.

E. The WHO and in collusion with other Public health secretaries and ministers, a pandemic was declared and the Sars-Cov- 2 was put on the A list, together with its equally deadly buddies

E1. Right from the start, the only thing that will get us out of "the crisis" was a vaccin.

E2. A vaccin was not meant to be here that quick. The technique was already available, but it was meant to be years out, so as to allow governments to implement a strict obedience protocol.

E3. The vaccin turns out to be a horrible mRNA gen therapy contain within it is a piece of RNA, that forces the body to produce antibodies against what exactly? Their amalgamated sequence.

E4. Your non-specific immune system is forced to stand down, while the cells are producing anti-bodies against their virus sequences, although a virus may come along that is totally different. in other words: The jab is a Trojan Horse.

E5. A Trojan Horse, or rather Ullysus's Horse, is meant to deliver the enemy within the gates. This mRNA strain IS the virus. (in my opinion)

E6. It is packaged in fat, so as to avoid detection, suspended between ferrite, so as to make it magneto.

E7. The fluid in which this mRNA virus lives, is toxic. (See Primer!) SM102 is not fit to be used as such, yet, you get injected with it.

F. The mask you are supposed to be wearing, and in some cases: masks, are not meant to protect you but to weaken you.

F1. Less oxygenation = you enter a state of being susceptible to all kinds of attacks.

F2. More CO2 means that your organs and brain will not function to normal capacity.

So, was there a bioweapon? I think there was, but not in the form you might think.

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– Sugartree2 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I’ve gotten sick many times and not had a clue who I may have gotten it from. Yeah, the asymptotically theory was another fear feature.

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– Afropick07 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Yes overblown. Normal colds will do damage too especially if you make people lonely, depressed, and fearful. It’s around, everybody is going to get it, the PCR Test made it look like everybody that died, died from COVID. Yes, created in a lab. They’ve figured out the highly contagious part. Next step is the very deadly part.

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– MN_patriot 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I think 1 is entirely true and 2 is partly true (virus by itself did not kill millions) but you have to insert the vaccine. Problem with that is...why is DJT endorsing it?

The [DS] did not think we'd have a vaccine this quick. They thought it would be years and years of lockdowns, communistic laws. I still don't get how it comes full circle. Trust in God. Trust the Plan.

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– jlckrause [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Hm. I’m concerned the full repercussions on the “vaccines” will be devastating in the next few years. Thanks for the input.

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– sun_wolf 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

One theory is that they are going to make the vax (experimental fluid) mandatory and he already knows that. If he comes out against the mandatory vax later, his position will be weaker if he was already anti-vax. If he was pro-vax but then opposes mandatory vax, it will be harder to smear him.

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– sun_wolf 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

If Trump comes out as anti-vax, it will force the media/Democrats to take the opposite position, right? Probably the fastest way to get mandatory vaccines, with actual soldiers kicking in doors with needles, is for Trump to come out and tell everyone to refuse to take it. Then the NPCs trigger and their programming starts up: Must. Do. Exact. Opposite.

Look at HCQ. If Trump hadn’t said it, it might not have been suppressed. If Fauci had said it, or the military, maybe it would have been released. Or if Trump had come out and said his scientific advisors were recommending HCQ, but Trump himself said “chloro sounds bad, anything chloro I don’t trust”, then the Democrats would have made HCQ mandatory and accidentally ended the pandemic.

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– Vapourface 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

My top candidate is this:

They had a series of viruses. Planned to release first one in the weeks prior to 2020 election. Plan was known by WH. WH faked the release of a virus in late 2019 instead (too close to event201 so suspicious, to distant from the election to force total postal voting) BH cannot collude under NSA eyes so they all ran with it, thinking it was their plan for many of them, kept it alive all thru 2020 but the effect was not as intended on the election, the initial panic was over. Note how Bannon was the only voice hyping it in early 2020. Once the fake was in motion, their real viruses were destroyed. now they have nothing. They now are on the ropes, so they roll out a vax to create a real situation autumn2021. Thats is when we will be dealing with major grief from lost lives, and they can force everyone to take further vaxes, get everyone to use tracing apps, lockdown more, take over independent media, cut dissidents off, start targeted killings.

But, they will run out of time. Mil takeover. The vax boosted natural seasonals that are due to cause mass death will be damped with Hydroxy/ivermec/and all the other vitamin and health strategies and new tools that we will have by then as the BH are exposed and prosecuted. Total victory, but enough death and destruction that the gen pop will forever be alert to future evil. Then we go root and branch on the secret societies, hunt them all down. Total victory.

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– The_Watcher 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

My take - based on guesswork:

The virus is man made. I was designed to be not too dangerous but just worse than regular flu. If it were too dangerous then they could wipe themselves out. Also, I expect they developed an antidote as well - for their use only, of course. The idea was to hype the virus which they did with billions of media stories far exceeding any other epidemic e.g. Ebola, Zika. The vaccine is part of the threat. That is why they are working so hard to give it to everyone asap before we find out what is happening.

I imagine that there will be another virus along later that will combine with the vaccine and cause devastation. Of course, "they" will not have been vaccinated so will be unaffected.

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– 50_stars_for_freedom 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

https://youtu.be/XMJ0EmMfb3U

https://youtu.be/UIDsKdeFOmQ

They did inflate numbers and deaths though. And hide the cures.

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– inquimous 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0
  1. It's a real virus. It has some novel aspects that the medical community is still grasping. That leads to confusion and the media fanned it because if it bleeds it leads, also they are thralls to the Chinese who would like to weaken us and the Dems who wanted to hurt Trump. Corruption in NIH and them kowtowing to Big Pharma led to more dissembling and hiding the data. I don't believe in significant asymptomatic spread. A person could be infected and shedding virus, but if they aren't showing symptoms then they don't have enough virus to be shedding much because the "shedding" is the result of the irritation which causes the symptoms.
  2. It's a real virus and it was meant to be more dangerous--that's what "gain of function" means, it means modifying pathogens to be more dangerous. Nice euphemism. (you could also engineer a virus for loss of function, but where's the mad scientist thrill in that) It's old news that the Chinese would like to conquer with bioweapons. In fact that is an old story in general, spread disease among the enemy. Whether it was meant to spread asymptomatically, who knows. See above. If you wanted to weaponize a disease it would be great. I don't think it was released intentionally unless the CCP thought their own herd needed culling, I think it was bad technique, and it took off because it was somewhat novel. But, even back a year, it was known that there is a large % of people who have T cell immunity to corona viruses in general, and it didn't make as many people as sick as it could have if it were truly a novel virus. The real weapon wasn't the deadliness of the virus, it was the fear. Now we have vaccines which we didn't need because there were effective treatments, but the people making vaccines couldn't make billions on a vaccine that could only have Emergency Use Authorization in the time frame IF THERE WAS A CURE. That's why they have denied the usefulness of HCQ and Ivermectin, and only allowed other experimental treatments like Remdesvir and Regeneron. We have vaccines that ought to be pulled because of side effects. Some people think there is a murderous intent behind the vaccines. I will charitably hope it's only disgusting greed and disregard for suffering that deserves some pretty harsh treatment in this life and the next.
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– Passthatwrench 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

That biological weapon shut down the worlds economy. Supply chain is a mess with inflation and unemployment on the rise. Not to mention a cover for the great reset. Sounds like a pretty effective weapon to me. And while things may get worse before they get better, I remain optimistic that our once great country will rise to newer heights and make the world a better place than it is now

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– jlckrause [S] 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

This is what confused me. I heard asymptomatic spread mentioned on War Room and my brain went into a tailspin. It makes no sense. Bannon mentioned it when describing the development and intended use of the virus.

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