I'm no scienceologist but trying to figure out what zinc ionophores are. In one source I saw it seemed to indicate this is the form of zinc that's most effective.
I've tried DDG searching, found this which was interesting but not particularly helpful in what I'm looking for https://michaelsavage.com/foods-high-in-quercetin-epigallocatechin/
So I'm curious about this in relation to zinc supplements, I've noticed varieties in different brands and trying to determine of one variety/form is better than another as far as C19 is concerned, and what if anything ionophores have to do with it.
I'm preparing something for myself, but also to present to family/friends for supplements and foods helpful in prevention of, and treating C19.
At this point I'm just going on further unnecessarily w/o anything further really to say. Any input is appreciated, thanks!
I explain to people zinc are the scary guys with guns that hunt C19 (and other unwanteds)
Quercetin/HCQ is the nerd that breaks into the security system to open up the doors and let zinc in.
that's a great way to remember, I taught K-5, and think even 1st graders could understand this^, especially if there was a bright image.
AND makes me think I probably didn't get the full effects of my HCQ prescription, I forgot to take the zinc with it🙄
but the nerve damage is much better after taking it, maybe I already have enough zinc...
Zinc ionophores make it easier for your cells to absorb zinc, you take them with the zinc.
meaning substances that are attracted to zinc and helps deliver it into the cells. Zinc scores the goal, its ionophores provide the assist.
I'll try to explain the best I can. Zinc kills the virus. The virus lives inside a cell. Zinc has trouble passing through a cell membrane where it needs to be to work against the virus. An ionophore is a compound that allows the ion (zinc in this case) to be transported across the cell membrane. Zinc is what kills the virus, an ionophore opens the door to let the zinc have access to the virus.
Think of it like type 1 diabetes: Cells need glucose to live but glucose cannot pass through the cell membrane without insulin -. type 1 diabetics do not produce sufficient insulin naturally for that to happen so they must take insulin to allow that to happen.
So, you need both zinc AND an ionophore. zinc by itself will do little because it won;t have sufficient access to the virus. HCQ is a zinc ionphore but requires a prescription. Quercitin is a zinc ionophore that is available (for now) as a dietary supplement over-the-counter and you can find many brands that contain both zinc and quercitin. It is really cheap and that is why it is being suppressed,
I pretty much agree with you but have a slightly different spin:
A virus cannot replicate itself so it looks for hosts that have cells that can do the replication for them. Animal cells are ideal because each cell contains a "workshop" that takes mRNA instructions and processes them. In normal use, the mRNA is derived from the host's DNA but in the case of a virus that step is short-circuited. Basically, the virus breaks into your "workshop" and hijacks the "tools".
If you can get zinc into the cell then that will inhibit the processing of the viral mRNA. The difficulty is getting it in there. That is where the ionophore (literally ion bearer) comes into play. An ionophore will carry the zinc across the cell membrane into the cell.
There are lots of suitable ionophores. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are but two. They used different ones in South Korea and Japan, for example.
Aside: Now you can see why several anti-hydroxychloroquine science papers were disingenuous. One class of paper just used hydroxychloroquine without using zinc. That is as useful as issuing guns to soldiers with no ammunition. Another class applied the hydroxychloroquine too late after the battle had been lost and a third class just administered lethal dose of hydroxychloroquine and said: "I told you so!" when the patient died.
So the ionophore is somewhat the same as quercetin?
My understanding from listening to, I forget his name, bearded older dr guy, said zinc is the bullet and quercetin is the gun essentially in that the quercetin allows the zinc into the cell where it's most effective.
Sort of - zinc is what kills the virus but it cannot get to it on it's own - the ionophore (quercetin) attaches to the zinc to make it into a form that can pass through the cell membrane. Zinc is the guard dog wanting to chew ass on the bad guy on your front porch, querctin opens the door and lets the zinc out.
Ionophore is a fat-soluble substance that can transport non-fat soluble elements across the cell membrane. Zinc-ionophores are zinc transporters in and out of the cell and can increase the effects of zinc in the cell. For example, Hinokitiol, a natural substance found in the Cupressaceae trees is a potent zinc-ionophore. It's known for its antimicrobial, antiviral and anticancer properties and it's regarded as the safest zinc-ionophores compared to other ionophores like hydroxychloroquine, quercetin, epigallocatechin, pyrithione, zincophorin, etc. Hinokitiol doesn't accumulate in the body and it has no recorded drug allergy or unfavorable effects, unlike hydroxychloroquine.
Source: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/studies-show-zinc-inhibits-viral-replication-but-theres-a-catch-301079772.html
Your best bet for substances you have access to, and can readily get is Quercetin. You should also try to use chelated zinc. Chelating is the bonding of elemental zinc to a molecule that allows the body to easier absorb the zinc.
I ended up going with zinc picolinate. I'm still doing further searching, one thing I saw suggests the picolinate is easier absorbed by the body. Maybe none of it really makes much of a difference as long as you're taking zinc, but I'd like to try and make sure.
picolinate is good form. but definitely take Quercetin. it's a bioflavonoid that works in many cellular processes, and in the case of Covid is demonstrably beneficial in both prophylaxis and treatment.
I posted this above, but posting here for your eyes only lol:
https://www.livestrong.com/article/301326-foods-with-the-highest-content-of-quercetin/
"But by far the richest source of quercetin is capers. Although they look like berries, capers are actually tiny flower buds that grow on shrubs throughout the Mediterranean region. According to data collected by the USDA, raw capers provide 234 milligrams of quercetin per 100 grams (3.5 ounces). Canned capers in brine — as they are commonly eaten — provide 173 milligrams of quercetin."
did not know about capers. always better to get nutrients in their natural state. thank you.
You're welcome fren. I'm still looking, I'd like to add some quercetin into my daily regimen and thinking if I can find a good source for raw capers will add em in with food I cook daily.
Being I'm trying to be more proactive vs combative, I wouldn't imagine a high dose being needed.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zinc-supplements
Don't forget to take Vitamin C if your ionophore of choice is Quercetin! If it's HCQ you don't need it for this purpose.
While researching, I cam across capers being high in quercetin. This isn't the initial link I found, but reinforces.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/301326-foods-with-the-highest-content-of-quercetin/
"But by far the richest source of quercetin is capers. Although they look like berries, capers are actually tiny flower buds that grow on shrubs throughout the Mediterranean region. According to data collected by the USDA, raw capers provide 234 milligrams of quercetin per 100 grams (3.5 ounces). Canned capers in brine — as they are commonly eaten — provide 173 milligrams of quercetin."
Can anyone tell how ivermectin fits into this discussion, if at all.
I'm not sure honestly, other than it's more if a cure for C19 where as I'm more looking at boosting immunity from catching it.
nice stuff about Zinc and ionophores etc. I heard Vitamin D acts the way you are describing an ionophore.
Yes, from what I've gathered from a few different sources, V. C, V. D, and Zinc. Also Quercetin to drive the Zinc into cells.
Afaik if you take a Zinc supplement you need to consider the body's Zinc to Copper ratio. Too much zinc and you throw this out of balance
Some data I turned up did refer to copper as well, but it appeared to be for intaking about 150mg of zinc. Maybe not mg, but whatever the unit of measure is for zinc.
So here's what I've put together as a C19 immunity booster. I was already taking OneAday multivitamin, per 1 a day dose has 25mcg of D, 99mg of C, and 11mg of Z. So I'll continue this, plus readily available at WalMart.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/One-A-Day-Men-s-Multivitamin-Tablets-Multivitamins-for-Men-200-Count/10311442
Then as well taking Emergen-C Immune+ daily which has 1000mg of C, 25mcg of D, and 10mg of zinc.
https://www.emergenc.com/products/enhanced-immune-support/Immune-plus/super-orange/ (Click Ingredient List to see nutrient values)
Then I'm also starting to take a Zinc Picolinate supplement. From what little I could find the picolinate is easier absorbed than other zinc variations. This contains 50mg of zinc
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07735XF2K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So in total I'll be intaking 1099mg of C, 50mcg of D, and 70mg of zinc, plus I also take a Chlorella & Kelp supplement. While I'm not necessarily worried about catching C19, I figure a little extra assurance couldn't hurt. Plus as in the original post, I'd like to pass along to family. My 2 sisters have already had the vax and at 56 definitly wouldn't be bad for them to bolster immunity. Okay, my BILs too lol.