Without any evidence right now that the Dominion / Smartmatic voting machines are going away, I'm having a really hard time in a debate with an old friend who is planning to sit out elections in protest. He continues to say that there is no point until 2020 is fixed.
I brought up the Youngkin win in VA, and he basically said, if Youngkin won in VA, that's who Dominion wanted to win.
How do we convince like minded people to turn out and vote when nothing has changed from 2020?
One decent argument, is what does he have to lose? It's essentially Pascal's wager.
If he's right, he wasted 45 minutes and Dominion gets their way regardless. If he's wrong, he basically gave a vote to the other side
Also, I think it's important to make them pull out all the stops for the cheat. If we don't, they win anyway (and legally because they don't need to cheat).
Yes. Doing nothing guarantees defeat.
In a life/death situation: it's better to do something, even if it's not the right thing, than to do nothing. Same applies here.
Agreed, if 80% shows up and casts a vote, they have fewer real names to fake votes from
More than that, WE THE PEOPLE need to do our forgotten civic duty and GET INVOLVED. I'm a district head now - it had been EMPTY for years, and doggone if that ain't our own fault. Paid shills or whatever, the other side filled their spots with the worst scum and villainy they could. We must get out there and overwhelm them. Strong, unmovable walls of patriots watching the polls, counting the ballots, forcing the audits, canvassing the precincts, everything. School boards, commissions, committees, etc - if we ALL put in a little bit, it will get cleansed, it will get fixed, it will be maintained. The churches let us down - take back your 10% and put it back in your communities directly, in time or in money, and we will rebuild the whole thing.
Yes, as we’ve learned (the hard way) recently, the local, smaller positions carry a lot of weight when they fall into the commies hands.
I don’t give a crap if it’s the water board or County commissioner, or whatever, we have to take them back one by one.
Yes, tell him to stop being a knee-jerk reactionary like the leftists are.
My only argument to this is, if they are going to cheat every election, make them work so fucking hard for it that every election is a punishment for them. The more of us that turn out to vote, the harder it is for them to cheat and get away with it. That's what happened in 2016, they greatly underestimated the number of people that would vote for trump and they all thought Hillary was going to win, because they knew the election was rigged. So even though cheating gives them the upper hand, it's no guarantee, and the only thing that could possibly stand in the way of them pulling it off, is if WE go out and vote in HUGE numbers.
The more people who don't vote the more names/IDs the Dems/RINOs have to steal and work with to get their way. Cast your vote, don't hand them the keys to your car.
If all conservatives stop voting, the left has won. If nothing else, a vote switched is evidence of fraud, and may (will) eventually be discovered. A vote not cast due to perceived futility can never be found and allows the fraud to win.
Well that is not true. There was an entire movement in Virginia. A lot of Patriots out and about that day keeping an eye on things.
Tell him they need massive voters to turn out and vote so it makes it much harder for them to cheat.
Why do you think he already knows 2020 election was stolen? Because they had massive voters voting for Trump. And they had to stop the election counting at night so they could fix their algorhythms.
Otherwise he would have never known about the fraud in the first place.
And he should volunteeer to be a poll watcher himself, work the polls or call for good candidates. No complaining if you have no skin in the game
You have to believe in one of two things;
The Republic is doomed.
The Republic will be saved.
If you believe the Republic is doomed, you are welcome to sit it out and watch it die. And not voting is a great way to make that happen just a tiny bit faster.
If you believe there is a chance that Trump isn't stupid enough to let this country fall, then you vote. Because someone out there might just have the real numbers and it could all be revealed in due time. In that case, every legitimate vote counts.
He has a good point with Youngkin lol. That dude is 1000% a rat. The second he didn't ram the jab and mask mandates down the throat of leftists I knew he was a rat.
Desantis is the only true champ in this country right now. Abbott maybe.
His points are not wrong but it's better to vote hoping that yours will be counted correctly than to not vote at all.
I don’t blame him. We have to fix 2020 before we can vote in 2022
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Your friend has to vote so as to BREAK the STEAL.
Not really, they had the cheats in but were so overwhelmed and unprepared that they didn't have enough contingencies set up. In 2020 they pulled out everything they could, setting up illegal mandates, printing millions of excess ballots, counting more people than live in their precincts, etc.
Make them flub it every time.
Going to have to go NSFW on this one:
Ask him what has he learned from every prison movie in regards to how to act when you're threatened with forcible rape?
Is he the type of guy to give up and make eyeshadow out of burnt up toilet paper or the type of guy who sharpens up his toothbrush and stabs his attacker in the neck?
Youngkin is a RINO disaster.
I'm done voting also...........I am done supporting this political machine.......Both wings are fucked when they are on a dead bird. And this government is a stuffed and fucked Tur-duck-En.
That's the quitting spirit!