Thatās why Iād rather be called a firmament earther.
Interesting! I prefer the term āflat earth researcherā myself, and/or globe skeptic/denier. The term āflat eartherā is a derogatory created by the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop to prevent people from earnestly studying this important subject.
Itās so misleading when people say flat.
Agreed. That is by design. There really arenāt any flat earthers - thatās a psyop!
Spinning at 66,600 miles an hour is a fantasy.
Agreed!
How in the hell can they even measure that, common sense should tell you thatās impossible.
Actually, there is a way! Itās called interferometry and we tried to use it to determine such believed/presumed motion through the āsolar systemā and universe. We found that the world was stationary, but the ramifications of that discovery were so philosophically abhorrent that āscientistsā decided that the world was actually moving but that no optical experiment (measurement, in point of fact - not experiment) could ever be conceived to measure such motion. āWe canāt measure it, but trust us - itās totally thereā - Professional sciencemongers.
NASA is the deception.
Not when it comes to the nature, shape, or motion of the world. They just repeat what they are taught in that regard.
NASAās ādeceptionā is merely to steal/embezzle taxpayer money and provide virtually nothing of any value in exchange (and always have, since their creation). They also provide distraction from serially unaddressed inequity/injustice here on earth - āspace circusā.
Biblically it is a divider, described as a massive tent built of crystal with a pale hue, that separates the waters of the heavens (above us) from the waters of the deep (below us). The vaults of the heavens and deep were opened once in the bible and it flooded the entire world (noahās flood).
Itās all in the bible if you care to read it (and supposedly werner von braun has a specific passage about it on his gravestone). Alternatively, you can deduce/derive the firmaments actual existence (or something that serves its purpose in any case) by scientific law.
First, your "facts" are bogus. Second, Genesis tells us only that we have heavens overhead. "Firmament" is an idea derived from the Egyptian and Mesopotamian universe concepts, and in any case does not compel a flat Earth description. Siding with the truth, sides with God. Denying truth, denies God. The Book of Job describes the Earth in passing as hanging in space from the arctic regions, which fits exactly with the reality of the Earth rotating about it's north and south poles.
Had to Google it. It is 26:7---"He spreads out the northern skies, over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing." I interpret the first part as alluding to the skies over the northern pole. I interpret the second part as the earth hanging in space, implying the possibility of rotation, as a pendant. My recollection was poorly expressed (my apology). It is not an easy book to read, but quite powerful.
If you are a bible fan (and/or like theosophy, I highly recommend blueletterbible.org and the pocket e-sword)
I did some research on this line and have concluded that it does not support your interpretation (or provided translation).
The preceding line speaks of hell (in this instance, sheol) which is the cavernous underworld (read danteās inferno? Or have any familiarity with hades?) beneath us.
Job is talking about that in the next line! The empty space is not āouter spaceā (they absolutely had no concept anything like that when the bible was written - it was first made up by the coimbra jesuits in the 15-16ās), but the empty space of sheol!
It is not an easy book to read
Agreed! Thousands of years and repeated translations will tend to do that! My research suggests that kjv did the best job in english, but even with creating new words when necessary - something is always lost when translating.
I was construing the "empty space" to be the desolation of the Arctic cap, signifying the North Pole, implying the point where the Earth would rotate if dangled. Remember this is inspired writing and God may give man words that have no clear meaning in the times in which they were given.
Also, where would you "hang the Earth" except in some sort of space?
Occasionally we need threads like this one to remind us that we DO have a few āraisin cakesā dwelling in our ranks. I have seen the curvature with my own eyes (literally teared up at how shockingly beautiful our planet is, and how many stars we CANT see from down here).
I can assure you, that unless you went into āorbitā and/or the ISS you definitely did not.
Many people believe they see the ācurvatureā standing on the beach, or riding on a commercial airline (both of which are completely impossible). The most common reason for seeing this illusion is peer pressure/bias/conditioning. The second most common reason is distortion (from the eye/lens itself, and/or from what you were looking through/with).
literally teared up at how shockingly beautiful our planet is, and how many stars we CANT see from down here
Itās almost like light pollution is created specifically to stop such awe inducing natural spectacle :( The heavens are incredible!
Actually, Iām not a handshake... I just got locked out of my main account because I stupidly forgot the password :(
At 55k ft you absolutely can
Nope! Even at 150k it isnāt visible to the human eye unaided. Though you are not the first, nor the last - to believe you could. In fact, you may actually have (however what you saw was an illusion due to distortion)!
Back away from the porn and take a class.
Good advice for us all! Iām way ahead of you brother, or sister!
Maybe learn something
Indeed! We must never cease! So much of what we learn (in classes, and outside of them) is simply wrong. In life, we are students and then we die. You seem to feel you are done learning in regards to the horizon (what it is, wether it appears to curve or not and why/what that signifies) - but you have just begun!
Perhaps a brief, civil, conversation with someone of a differing viewpoint could help you to practice what you preach? Or at least share your learning with another wayward soul?
Not really. 66k is pretty darn fast, though I can appreciate that on a large enough circle (the presumed orbit around the sun over the course of a year) that may not cause an extreme acceleration (though still a measurable one, which strangely cannot be and is not measured...)
the centripetal force of the earth spinning is almost nothing compared to its mass.
There isnāt any āmassā outside of equation. Thatās why scales measure weight instead! There is no āmassā to measure (nor gravitation which also cannot be measured). It is NOT coincidence that when you combine the mathematical contrivances of mass and gravitation, they return to the real (and measured) weight they began (and were measured) as!
Don't forget we move around the galaxies center as well.
I donāt! Iām saying that we donāt do those things, and that is literally āastronomical fictionā. If we did, we could measure such motion (through interferometry for one)! Because we canāt (and havenāt), it is most reasonable and scientific (emperical) to conclude that there is no such motion. That is what michelson-morely actually established :(. Astronomy is barely science at all - itās merely a pastime for rich dilettantes. Thatās why it has produced virtually nothing of scientific value in millennia!
Not really. 66k is pretty darn fast, though I can appreciate that on a large enough circle (the presumed orbit around the sun over the course of a year) that may not cause an extreme acceleration (though still a measurable one, which strangely cannot be and is not measured...)
I don't think it would cause acceleration since we are not going faster are we?
There isnāt any āmassā outside of equation. Thatās why scales measure weight instead! There is no āmassā to measure (nor gravitation which also cannot be measured). It is NOT a coincidence that when you combine the mathematical contrivances of mass and gravitation, they return to the real (and measured) weight they began (and were measured) as!
Mass is pretty simple, how heavy is something relative to its size. In science its synonymous with density.
Mass and weight seem the same but they are not. Mass is a measure of the density of an object, while weight is a measure of the effect of gravity on that mass. For example, even on the earth since the mass of the earth is not uniform, I can have an object that weighs one weight and move it to another area of the earth and it will weigh another weight. The density or mass did not change, but its weight has.
I donāt! Iām saying that we donāt do those things, and that is literally āastronomical fictionā. If we did, we could measure such motion (through interferometry for one)! Because we canāt (and havenāt), it is most reasonable and scientific (emperical) to conclude that there is no such motion. That is what michelson-morely actually established :(. Astronomy is barely science at all - itās merely a pastime for rich dilettantes. Thatās why it has produced virtually nothing of scientific value in millennia!
1725 when James Bradley discovered stellar aberration. This is (apparent) yearly change in positions of all stars in the sky due to Earth's own motion. Aberration arises due to adding up of the speed of light coming from the star and Earth's own speed. This is a very complex phenomenon and its description requires some math.
Another, much simpler, consequence of Earth's motion is stellar parallax wich was first found in 1838. If Earth changes its position relative to the stars, then the stars should appear to change position in the course of the year. Not just positions like circling the earth. But thier positions are relative to each other!
A third discovery demonstrating Earth's motion was that of Doppler effect.
These are all motions relative to other objects in space.
According to the theory of relativity, we can always move to a reference frame in which the Earth is not moving--i.e., its "inertial" reference frame. So it is technically possible to define a reference frame in which the Earth does not move, while the Sun, planets, and stars orbit around the Earth, but making this reference frame consistent with our observations of Doppler shift and parallaxes would be very complicated. It is much simpler to explain our observations in a reference frame where the Earth does move, and Occam's razor directs us, to use the simplest explanation whenever possible.
I don't think it would cause acceleration since we are not going faster are we?
It seems that way, but actually it requires it! Velocity is a vector (i.e. includes direction). Whenever you change direction (or speed, of course!) you require (and experience) acceleration!
Mass is pretty simple, how heavy is something relative to its size
I am well aware. I just said it wasnāt real, and did not exist outside of equation.
In science its synonymous with density.
It is synonymous with inertia (which does exist, because weight exists), but I think I get/agree with your meaning.
I can have an object that weighs one weight and move it to another area of the earth and it will weigh another weight.
Minusculely, yes that is true. It just isnāt for the reasons we were taught. The primary cause for the difference in weight (and fall/rise time, as in many āgravimetersā) is buoyancy/the media it displaces. Of course, temperature, electrical charge, and many other things play a small role in such things as well.
Weight is not imbued by magical fields that defy description, measurement, manipulation, and discovery (from invocation, not creation/invention, of the stupid idea by newton to now). Weight is merely an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter. Mass and gravitation do not, in any way, exist outside of equation. Weight is all there is, and all there has ever been!
This is (apparent) yearly change in positions of all stars in the sky due to Earth's own motion.
I like assumption and speculation too, but I donāt call it science! I call it guessing!
But thier positions are relative to each other!
Again, I like guessing!
Doppler effect.
Thatās real!
These are all motions relative to other objects in space.
So we are taught, and required to repeat in order to matriculate. However, it ain't necessarily so! What if I told you that āspaceā does not exist in any way, and if it did it would violate many of the scientific laws that we have established (unchallenged, mind you) for centuries? What if I told you the entire stupid idea was made up by the coimbra jesuits and then run with by newton due to his understanding of the permanence of the celestial cycles?
So it is technically possible to define a reference frame in which the Earth does not move, while the Sun, planets, and stars orbit around the Earth, but making this reference frame consistent with our observations of Doppler shift and parallaxes would be very complicated
I think it is reasonable to do so, despite complicated mathematics - however it is unnecessary. The lights in the sky do as they do, the rest is mythology/religion/pseudoscience masquerading as science :( There are good reasons I make such apparently āflippantā statements, and good criteria available to discern between science and pseudoscience masquerading as it.
and Occam's razor directs us, to use the simplest explanation whenever possible.
Ugh, more monks :(
Lol, all kidding aside - I like occamās razor but the posits you are playing apologist for are fantastically complicated (which you are well aware of). You currently believe that the mythology you were taught is the simplest explanation available, but it is my view that you are in error. Besides, occamās razor has to do with scientific theories. We are merely discussing speculations/guesses - not science nor scientific theories!
It seems that way, but actually it requires it! Velocity is a vector (i.e. includes direction). Whenever you change direction (or speed, of course!) you require (and experience) acceleration!
I think you are missing one important factor. Gravity. We are held to the earth by gravity and we are spinning along with it at a constant speed. If the speed became inconsistent we would feel it.
Can you prove the earth is still?
Minusculely, yes that is true. It just isnāt for the reasons we were taught. The primary cause for the difference in weight (and fall/rise time, as in many āgravimetersā) is buoyancy/the media it displaces. Of course, temperature, electrical charge, and many other things play a small role in such things as well.
Boyancy can only exist with gravity if there is a specified direction giving it the Archimedes principle. In space boyancy pushes on all sides. So what would explain why we are only getting an obvious downward force?
Gravity only exists with mass.
Weight is not imbued by magical fields that defy description, measurement, manipulation, and discovery (from invocation, not creation/invention, of the stupid idea by newton to now). Weight is merely an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter. Mass and gravitation do not, in any way, exist outside of equation. Weight is all there is, and all there has ever been!
Weight can only exist when there are two or more masses that exist and act upon each-other. Your theory that there is no gravity and its held up by buoyancy doesn't hold water (get it, cause buoyancy) It doesn't explain a single direction of force. Buoyancy would push on all sides without gravity. You can even demonstrate this while on earth.
I like assumption and speculation too, but I donāt call it science! I call it guessing!
you can literally take photos and match them, its not guessing you are using observation and collecting data.
Again, I like guessing!
Not a guess its observation.
So we are taught, and required to repeat in order to matriculate. However, it ain't necessarily so! What if I told you that āspaceā does not exist in any way, and if it did it would violate many of the scientific laws that we have established (unchallenged, mind you) for centuries? What if I told you the entire stupid idea was made up by the coimbra jesuits and then run with by newton due to his understanding of the permanence of the celestial cycles?
When a new theory comes along and beats another theory it tends to become unchallenged until a new theory comes along that is more accurate to explain the observable universe. Flat earth has come and gone. It was once a theory but now we have theories that are better.
We have observation, we can go to space and see the earth is round. If you think we cant, you can take a high altitude weather balloon with a camera and see the same thing.
Explain and prove that it breaks modern scientific laws.
I think it is reasonable to do so, despite complicated mathematics - however it is unnecessary. The lights in the sky do as they do, the rest is mythology/religion/pseudoscience masquerading as science :( There are good reasons I make such apparently āflippantā statements, and good criteria available to discern between science and pseudoscience masquerading as it.
Your definition of science is extremely narrow and strange. It appears that you only accept observation if it is with a human eye and not a mechanical or digital one.
You don't accept observational science using a laser and distance to prove curvature
You don't accept a laser gyroscope to prove rotation.
you seem to only accept things that point one directions and ignore anything that points another.
You expect me to prove the curvature without using anything that proves the curvature. Like, going to space.
You state essentially that anything that cannot be directly observed by a person standing on the earth is not science in yet you are claiming the earth is flat but have not seen it in its entirety yourself. The most scientific approach using your sets of criteria is to say its no know the shape of the earth, not that its flat.
we have vehicles that can fly. We also have vehicles that can go into low orbit. We also have vehicles that can go into low orbit and are commercial. I'm sure you are going to excludes any of these things that can go into space right?
What exactly do you think happens when we get high enough to see the entire earth?
Yes, 66,600 mph is a fantasy---particularly when the equatorial speed of rotation is more like 1,200 mph. Very slow rotation, however. About 0.0007 rpm. It can be measured, but it can't be felt. It can be observed; just watch the motion of the sun across the sky. "Common sense" is very unreliable if you are not familiar with the facts of your surroundings.
Why would you think that would be perceptible? Everything on Earth is moving at the same speed. The acceleration is imperceptible. You see, nothing is amazing if there is nothing exceptional going on. It is, in fact, boring.
A flat Earther dies and goes to heaven. God says "welcome my child as a gift, I will offer you the answer to any question your heart desires." The flat earther asks " Father is the Earth flat?" God says " No my child the Earth is not flat." to which the flat earther turns and whispers to himself "wow this conspiracy goes way higher than I thought.."
FlateEarthSociety is fake, gay, and controlled opposition! Nobody entertains the bottom illustration unless they have a room-temp IQ, are shilling, or don't realize just how evil the gatekeepers of knowledge- the Globalists are.
If you haven't done unbiased research on the Coast of Antarctica, Werner Von Braun, the Globalist agreed upon Antarctic Treaty, Neuschwabenland, and then contemplated why the gatekeepers plan to keep us on a prison planet may also involve hiding "undiscovered" extra land from the plebs, for themselves- it makes you look like a "IFuckingLoveScience" faggot to those of us that have.
So, nice non-sequitur strawman meme-vomit. It's really funny š.
The coast of Antarctica does not prevent research into the interior. A famous example was the 1957 expedition to the South Pole. Wernher von Braun was the man who helped to confirm that the Earth was round, by making it possible for us to go to the Moon and see the Earth at a distance---but this roundness was known for a fact by the time of Magellan; you can't go "around" something that is flat. With half a dozen nations claiming overlapping sectors of Antarctica, the Antarctic Treaty was a way to resolve the conflicting claims and interests. You want to go there? Go. It is certainly possible to circumnavigate the Antarctic coast in international waters. Ah---but it would only prove the Earth is round. Why would you want to do that? Truth, so unwelcome to faith...
You get anywhere near the coast of Antarctica and military ships show up and tell you to turn around or they will blow your ship up. There are literally YouTube videos of people trying this and the military shutting them down. I donāt even think this (military control of Antarctica) is disputed.
Then commission a regular expedition. If you just show up unannounced and with no invite, expect this sort of thing. Still no obstacle to circumnavigation. There even used to be tourist flights over the continent. There are tourist flights to the south pole itself. (https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-20222023) Your objection is bullshit. Buy a ticket and go there, and stop making excuses.
We are largely in agreement, however the flat earth society (there are at least two that I know of) is a great place to begin research into the subject. One just needs to be careful to thoroughly verify/validate all claims encountered (facts are merely one type of claim) before they are accepted, or you end up a pinball bouncing from one unfounded belief to another.
So, nice non-sequitur strawman meme-vomit. It's really funny š.
Thatās the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. It propagates offensively stupid things like this to falsely associate them with earnest flat earth research to prevent people from ever actually studying it. Sadly it has been pretty effective :(
You know how ewwtube nuked the accounts of anyone who discussed election fraud, the plandemic, sandy hook, Vegas, or spoke ill of the vax? They also did a mass purge of flat earth (or as aptly named in this thread firmament earther) documentaries and experiments. Wonder why?
Bruh. It was a huge purge, pretty sure you even stickied it towards the end of 2020. It was around the time they nuked x22 and anyone with a semi-significant following. They did the same with dubay w/ 500k subscribers and
several other prominent FE channels. Dubay only just recently got back on for some reason I havenāt figured out yet - albeit with a fraction of the OG subscribers. Regardless, I like when you post up this thread, always sparks a passionate debate
Interesting! I prefer the term āflat earth researcherā myself, and/or globe skeptic/denier. The term āflat eartherā is a derogatory created by the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop to prevent people from earnestly studying this important subject.
Agreed. That is by design. There really arenāt any flat earthers - thatās a psyop!
Agreed!
Actually, there is a way! Itās called interferometry and we tried to use it to determine such believed/presumed motion through the āsolar systemā and universe. We found that the world was stationary, but the ramifications of that discovery were so philosophically abhorrent that āscientistsā decided that the world was actually moving but that no optical experiment (measurement, in point of fact - not experiment) could ever be conceived to measure such motion. āWe canāt measure it, but trust us - itās totally thereā - Professional sciencemongers.
Not when it comes to the nature, shape, or motion of the world. They just repeat what they are taught in that regard.
NASAās ādeceptionā is merely to steal/embezzle taxpayer money and provide virtually nothing of any value in exchange (and always have, since their creation). They also provide distraction from serially unaddressed inequity/injustice here on earth - āspace circusā.
NASA and Green Screens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBRUye7-ml0
Sometimes there is gravity and the card drops.
Here on Earth...
We have rats on rockets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAN-UmkJyJk&t=13s
How much do they lie about?
I WANT TO BELIVE! Grew up going to a space museum that had the moon landers. I build model airplanes, flying model rockets.
So to help myself and others, cuz I'm not 100% sure myself, but what is a firmament?
Biblically it is a divider, described as a massive tent built of crystal with a pale hue, that separates the waters of the heavens (above us) from the waters of the deep (below us). The vaults of the heavens and deep were opened once in the bible and it flooded the entire world (noahās flood).
Itās all in the bible if you care to read it (and supposedly werner von braun has a specific passage about it on his gravestone). Alternatively, you can deduce/derive the firmaments actual existence (or something that serves its purpose in any case) by scientific law.
Well thank you! Very informative!
Good work i donāt feed the trolls either. The shape of our existence is a personal quest.
First, your "facts" are bogus. Second, Genesis tells us only that we have heavens overhead. "Firmament" is an idea derived from the Egyptian and Mesopotamian universe concepts, and in any case does not compel a flat Earth description. Siding with the truth, sides with God. Denying truth, denies God. The Book of Job describes the Earth in passing as hanging in space from the arctic regions, which fits exactly with the reality of the Earth rotating about it's north and south poles.
Interesting! What passage?
Had to Google it. It is 26:7---"He spreads out the northern skies, over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing." I interpret the first part as alluding to the skies over the northern pole. I interpret the second part as the earth hanging in space, implying the possibility of rotation, as a pendant. My recollection was poorly expressed (my apology). It is not an easy book to read, but quite powerful.
Fascinating! Thanks for sharing.
If you are a bible fan (and/or like theosophy, I highly recommend blueletterbible.org and the pocket e-sword)
I did some research on this line and have concluded that it does not support your interpretation (or provided translation).
The preceding line speaks of hell (in this instance, sheol) which is the cavernous underworld (read danteās inferno? Or have any familiarity with hades?) beneath us.
Job is talking about that in the next line! The empty space is not āouter spaceā (they absolutely had no concept anything like that when the bible was written - it was first made up by the coimbra jesuits in the 15-16ās), but the empty space of sheol!
Agreed! Thousands of years and repeated translations will tend to do that! My research suggests that kjv did the best job in english, but even with creating new words when necessary - something is always lost when translating.
Thanks again for sharing!
I was construing the "empty space" to be the desolation of the Arctic cap, signifying the North Pole, implying the point where the Earth would rotate if dangled. Remember this is inspired writing and God may give man words that have no clear meaning in the times in which they were given.
Also, where would you "hang the Earth" except in some sort of space?
Downvotes? WTF?
Occasionally we need threads like this one to remind us that we DO have a few āraisin cakesā dwelling in our ranks. I have seen the curvature with my own eyes (literally teared up at how shockingly beautiful our planet is, and how many stars we CANT see from down here).
I can assure you, that unless you went into āorbitā and/or the ISS you definitely did not.
Many people believe they see the ācurvatureā standing on the beach, or riding on a commercial airline (both of which are completely impossible). The most common reason for seeing this illusion is peer pressure/bias/conditioning. The second most common reason is distortion (from the eye/lens itself, and/or from what you were looking through/with).
Itās almost like light pollution is created specifically to stop such awe inducing natural spectacle :( The heavens are incredible!
Go Fuck yourself handshake. At 55k ft you absolutely can. Back away from the porn and take a class. Maybe learn something. Fukin retard.
Actually, Iām not a handshake... I just got locked out of my main account because I stupidly forgot the password :(
Nope! Even at 150k it isnāt visible to the human eye unaided. Though you are not the first, nor the last - to believe you could. In fact, you may actually have (however what you saw was an illusion due to distortion)!
Good advice for us all! Iām way ahead of you brother, or sister!
Indeed! We must never cease! So much of what we learn (in classes, and outside of them) is simply wrong. In life, we are students and then we die. You seem to feel you are done learning in regards to the horizon (what it is, wether it appears to curve or not and why/what that signifies) - but you have just begun!
Perhaps a brief, civil, conversation with someone of a differing viewpoint could help you to practice what you preach? Or at least share your learning with another wayward soul?
I think they were talking about the āspinningā around the sun, not axially.
Axially, at the maximum (equator), the rotation speed is believed closer to 1000mph.
Well, not nothing but small!
Also there is no force āpullingā us to the earth at all. The force pushes us to the earth, and it is called weight!
Not really. 66k is pretty darn fast, though I can appreciate that on a large enough circle (the presumed orbit around the sun over the course of a year) that may not cause an extreme acceleration (though still a measurable one, which strangely cannot be and is not measured...)
There isnāt any āmassā outside of equation. Thatās why scales measure weight instead! There is no āmassā to measure (nor gravitation which also cannot be measured). It is NOT coincidence that when you combine the mathematical contrivances of mass and gravitation, they return to the real (and measured) weight they began (and were measured) as!
I donāt! Iām saying that we donāt do those things, and that is literally āastronomical fictionā. If we did, we could measure such motion (through interferometry for one)! Because we canāt (and havenāt), it is most reasonable and scientific (emperical) to conclude that there is no such motion. That is what michelson-morely actually established :(. Astronomy is barely science at all - itās merely a pastime for rich dilettantes. Thatās why it has produced virtually nothing of scientific value in millennia!
It seems that way, but actually it requires it! Velocity is a vector (i.e. includes direction). Whenever you change direction (or speed, of course!) you require (and experience) acceleration!
I am well aware. I just said it wasnāt real, and did not exist outside of equation.
It is synonymous with inertia (which does exist, because weight exists), but I think I get/agree with your meaning.
Minusculely, yes that is true. It just isnāt for the reasons we were taught. The primary cause for the difference in weight (and fall/rise time, as in many āgravimetersā) is buoyancy/the media it displaces. Of course, temperature, electrical charge, and many other things play a small role in such things as well.
Weight is not imbued by magical fields that defy description, measurement, manipulation, and discovery (from invocation, not creation/invention, of the stupid idea by newton to now). Weight is merely an intrinsic and inexorable property of all matter. Mass and gravitation do not, in any way, exist outside of equation. Weight is all there is, and all there has ever been!
I like assumption and speculation too, but I donāt call it science! I call it guessing!
Again, I like guessing!
Thatās real!
So we are taught, and required to repeat in order to matriculate. However, it ain't necessarily so! What if I told you that āspaceā does not exist in any way, and if it did it would violate many of the scientific laws that we have established (unchallenged, mind you) for centuries? What if I told you the entire stupid idea was made up by the coimbra jesuits and then run with by newton due to his understanding of the permanence of the celestial cycles?
I think it is reasonable to do so, despite complicated mathematics - however it is unnecessary. The lights in the sky do as they do, the rest is mythology/religion/pseudoscience masquerading as science :( There are good reasons I make such apparently āflippantā statements, and good criteria available to discern between science and pseudoscience masquerading as it.
Ugh, more monks :(
Lol, all kidding aside - I like occamās razor but the posits you are playing apologist for are fantastically complicated (which you are well aware of). You currently believe that the mythology you were taught is the simplest explanation available, but it is my view that you are in error. Besides, occamās razor has to do with scientific theories. We are merely discussing speculations/guesses - not science nor scientific theories!
Yes, 66,600 mph is a fantasy---particularly when the equatorial speed of rotation is more like 1,200 mph. Very slow rotation, however. About 0.0007 rpm. It can be measured, but it can't be felt. It can be observed; just watch the motion of the sun across the sky. "Common sense" is very unreliable if you are not familiar with the facts of your surroundings.
Why would you think that would be perceptible? Everything on Earth is moving at the same speed. The acceleration is imperceptible. You see, nothing is amazing if there is nothing exceptional going on. It is, in fact, boring.
A flat Earther dies and goes to heaven. God says "welcome my child as a gift, I will offer you the answer to any question your heart desires." The flat earther asks " Father is the Earth flat?" God says " No my child the Earth is not flat." to which the flat earther turns and whispers to himself "wow this conspiracy goes way higher than I thought.."
I laughed at myself and your joke.
I hate this, but it's actually hilarious.
we all conspiracy nuts around here.
flat...... ffs.... not much more to say.....
This.
FlateEarthSociety is fake, gay, and controlled opposition! Nobody entertains the bottom illustration unless they have a room-temp IQ, are shilling, or don't realize just how evil the gatekeepers of knowledge- the Globalists are.
If you haven't done unbiased research on the Coast of Antarctica, Werner Von Braun, the Globalist agreed upon Antarctic Treaty, Neuschwabenland, and then contemplated why the gatekeepers plan to keep us on a prison planet may also involve hiding "undiscovered" extra land from the plebs, for themselves- it makes you look like a "IFuckingLoveScience" faggot to those of us that have.
So, nice non-sequitur strawman meme-vomit. It's really funny š.
The coast of Antarctica does not prevent research into the interior. A famous example was the 1957 expedition to the South Pole. Wernher von Braun was the man who helped to confirm that the Earth was round, by making it possible for us to go to the Moon and see the Earth at a distance---but this roundness was known for a fact by the time of Magellan; you can't go "around" something that is flat. With half a dozen nations claiming overlapping sectors of Antarctica, the Antarctic Treaty was a way to resolve the conflicting claims and interests. You want to go there? Go. It is certainly possible to circumnavigate the Antarctic coast in international waters. Ah---but it would only prove the Earth is round. Why would you want to do that? Truth, so unwelcome to faith...
You get anywhere near the coast of Antarctica and military ships show up and tell you to turn around or they will blow your ship up. There are literally YouTube videos of people trying this and the military shutting them down. I donāt even think this (military control of Antarctica) is disputed.
Then commission a regular expedition. If you just show up unannounced and with no invite, expect this sort of thing. Still no obstacle to circumnavigation. There even used to be tourist flights over the continent. There are tourist flights to the south pole itself. (https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole-20222023) Your objection is bullshit. Buy a ticket and go there, and stop making excuses.
We are largely in agreement, however the flat earth society (there are at least two that I know of) is a great place to begin research into the subject. One just needs to be careful to thoroughly verify/validate all claims encountered (facts are merely one type of claim) before they are accepted, or you end up a pinball bouncing from one unfounded belief to another.
Thatās the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) psyop. It propagates offensively stupid things like this to falsely associate them with earnest flat earth research to prevent people from ever actually studying it. Sadly it has been pretty effective :(
Lol I like the attempt, but the earth is probably flat
FlateEarthSociety is fake, gay, and a psyop.
Nasa lies, start there maybe.
Hahaha
All I know is you can go on DARPA and read all about Neural linking... Iām sure (((they))) will use it for good :)
You know how ewwtube nuked the accounts of anyone who discussed election fraud, the plandemic, sandy hook, Vegas, or spoke ill of the vax? They also did a mass purge of flat earth (or as aptly named in this thread firmament earther) documentaries and experiments. Wonder why?
No they didn't
Bruh. It was a huge purge, pretty sure you even stickied it towards the end of 2020. It was around the time they nuked x22 and anyone with a semi-significant following. They did the same with dubay w/ 500k subscribers and several other prominent FE channels. Dubay only just recently got back on for some reason I havenāt figured out yet - albeit with a fraction of the OG subscribers. Regardless, I like when you post up this thread, always sparks a passionate debate
Heās controlled opposition! (His grandfather is reported to be a mason as well...)
Misdirection. muddy the waters.
Itās true that this is offensively stupid, and heavily advertised (i.e. funded)!
If you would like to understand/discuss/explore why this is the case, please join us on the community I created to discuss such topics!
Click my username and find the link, or let me know and I will PM it to you!
The flat earth psyop is real, but most likely is not for the purpose you currently assume!
So . . . when is the first official voyage to the UNDERSIDE of the Earth?
These people are STUPID.
I can assure you without even knowing every legit flat earther that that logic is not why they consider the globe may be a lie.
I will neither defend nor disprove the globe. Your minds eye image of the place we live is your business.