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Even the Bible has been tainted and perverted. The important stuff is there... But so too is a bunch of bullshit.
If you're a Christian, this post doesn't help your witness. If you're not worshipping God you're not doing it right. God demands worship and not just any worship. He demands worship according to His Word. As far as the legalism you mentioned that exists in Catholicism...
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 NKJV
And there is why people are turned off of Christianity - if you're doing it this way, you're doing it wrong.
Yep.
"Demands worship", "but only his way". Literally doesn't sound so benevolent when put that way, and naturally you can see why that pushes people away.
This is why I don't like organized religion.
We've seen 1984 in full swing, and the power of people in power, but somehow as a collective we just accept that the Bible is completely unaltered despite all the revisions and retranslations and reinterpretations and so on.
It's silly. It also detracts from the messages that are good within the Bible, by making people disregard all of it for these reasons.
How is it that Paul's interpretation is treated with the same Creedence as Jesus? It's not for me to say Paul was wrong, he was, however just a man and his ideas are not fact or law. Paul never walked with Jesus and Jesus named Mathias to replace Judas.
Paul is to Christianity what Joseph Smith is to Mormonism.
Having been raised a mormon, and became a christian at age 34 (over 30 years ago), I can attest that there is a difference between Paul of the Bible, and Joe Smith the occultist.
Galatians 1:11-12 Paul Says "But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Paul writings were considered Scripture by Peter who was one of the Apostles. Joseph smith is the father of a Cult. Are you saying Paul, who wrote 13 epistles in the new testament is the father of a Cult?
If you're discounting Paul, then you don't believe a large portion of the New Testament. If you don't believe the Bible (including the NT) is inspired by the Holy Spirit, then, again, you're getting it wrong. Everything Paul wrote was inspired by God via the Holy Spirit...it's all there in Acts 9. At the risk of giving you "Paul's interpretation" again, I'll refer you to this.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. II Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV
He is hugely misunderstood: he spoke to people of his day who came to Christianity from different cultures etc. Dr Randall Smith does good teaching on the books of the Bible.
He is the Servant King. He leads by lifting us up and showing us the example to live by.
You are correct in your assessment. Even Mathew 25:31 agrees with you and dispels the ritual of accepting Christ into your heart. If anything, all you need to do is be a decent person. Treat your fellow man with some dignity and respect.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Light. No one comes to the Father except through me." "Do not judged least ye be judged." It's His call. That's it. There is no affirmative one way or the other. At the end of the day HE decides. Not any mortal man. This ritual crap popular at revivals and pray the gay away camps obviously means nothing when most of the converts move on after a week. And what's worse is the people who excuse that with, "Oh well, guess they weren't chosen."
Aside from people we can point to in the cabal who have done evil EVIL things, you are playing with fire if you are wishing damnation on other non-believers. I choose to carry myself with the hope that EVERYONE is worthy of forgiveness in the end and if God is a Just God He will judge just and righteously based on what's in your heart and the life you led. Again, if wishing damnation on your fellow debt slave is on your heart well... I hope and pray that by the time the big day arrives, that you have moved on from such terrible feelings.
All I will say with certainty is that when judgement day comes... don't lie.
Should be interesting conversations with people down south.
Hell??
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.... for turning you back on the Lord.
The reason He rode on a donkey is because the old tradition was for kings to ride on 'the noble donkey'. And he was crowned with a crown of thrones, sits on a throne on God's right hand and comes back on Judgement day wearing a 'Crown of Many Crowns'.
Overall you make some good points, but saying that Jesus would be disgusted at the idea of being exalted as a king is incorrect - expect perhaps that he be exalted as Just A King - He is The King.
For sure, free-will was and is one of His greatest gifts.
If we had no choice of hell heaven wouldn't be such a good place and God would be a (benevolent) tyrant.
Because we can choose it shows all the more how perfect and righteous God and God's way is.
And yet, Christians continuously make statements that Jesus is synonymous with God. But how can he sit on his own right hand? Also be his own son?
Organized Christianity is definitely not my thing. Too many inconsistencies, and those inconsistencies detract from core and positive messaging that this country used to have serving as its moral compass, precisely because of this stuff.
we're not "making statements", we're quoting statements from the Bible.
The trinity is complicated, sure, but that's just God's nature.
The reason there are 3 aspects/persons of God is because of their roles - the Father made the universe (and therefore lives outside of it in the highest heaven, an eternal and timeless place), the Son who's purpose was to be a 'relatable' face, teach forgiveness, Prove forgiveness and make it easier for us to relate to God and the Holy Spirit, who continually works on our souls and reaches out to us.
All 3 work together and the Son is needed because without Him we wouldn't know God so well, the Holy Spirit because we wouldn't connect so well and the Heavenly Father because He made all and is Lord of All.
Complex but well - He Is God, He's allowed to be complex.
Read with holy spirit and discernment always
I have... which is why I reduced Paul's contributions to nothing more than his own ideas and interpretation. He has the consistency of Joseph Smith when it comes to his reborn story and while I think he meant well, a lot of his contributions were damaging.
Then of course there's the Council of Nicea deciding Biblical canon... Their credentials? They studied the scripters more than anyone else. Well... Jesus says to be leery of false prophets and that He's no respecter of titles... So if He didn't confirm it when He was here, then I don't see it as any real importance and I choose to follow His example as best I can though I am not brave enough to sell all my possessions.
Im right there with you. Usually reread the first 4 books of the new testament and interested in revelations. The orhers dont sit as well with me. Old testament is my current read
Well, all I can say about that is....I for one, am in fear of God's anger!
I'm confident that the Creator of the universe is capable of writing an accurate book. Just sayin'.
The Bible is not tainted and perverted. Why do you say this? Point to something that fits your description.
Missing books. Translations altered. Details.
Remember who we are dealing with then ask yourself if they would ever lie to us.
I often get the feeling that certain passages are incomplete.
King James version is a start. Work back from there.
The Inquisition? The KKK referencing the Bible as proof that the white race is the chosen Race? Hitler using the Bible and claiming to be doing "The Lord's work". Everything Paul wrote can be traced to all the problems with Western Christianity.
And as pointed out, missing texts and such.
Thankfully all we need to understand and follow is Jesus. Beyond Mathew, Mark, Luke and John the rest is pretty much semantics that will be corrected or explained anyway... But to assume man has not perverted the Bible is foolish and if you need an example of a story, read what happens after Sodom and Gamora...
The Johannan Comma. Google that term. Read what comes up. 1 John 5:7-8 is a Catholic fabrication.
Matthew 28:19. The KJV Matthew 28:19 contains a baptismal formula that is not used anywhere else in the Bible but is used to justify the trinity doctrine. It's the core verse to justify the trinity. It contradicts the great commission as given in Mark, every baptism performed in Acts, and the greeting in every Epistle.
It was translated from a dead language to greek to where many words didnt have translations. Then to english or what ever, but its like a bad game of telephone.
Look up the council of nicaea. They literally sat around making up shit for the bible.
They changed all the names to white sounding names to better convert the white europeans.
The KJV is where they first mention hell. Before only purgatory was mention, not a fiery pit of hell. Thats what they realized fear controls better than anything else.
Etc etc and on and on.