Lincoln proved that doesn't work. A Nation divided cannot stand.
The Civil War was only secondarily about Slave Ownership.
The real fight was between two facets of Industry: Resource Gathering VS Factories and Shipping.
The North had all the ports while the South had all the resources. Factories are built near ports to move goods and provide power generators with moving water. Plantations are built in temperate zones which lend well to agriculture.
The South was getting pissed off that they didn't get any increased profits from the markup on goods the North was implementing. The North was getting richer while the South stayed the same. So, the South began to open ports with the express intent of opening factories and becoming self-sufficient, away from the North who was reliant on Southern agricultural resources to fuel a ravenous world-wide textile industry.
The North knew they could not compete with the South. The South had slaves, resources, and new technologies such as steam engines which allowed them to open ports using railroads and steamboats to ship. The Northern ports were becoming obsolete.
So, what did the North do? They colluded to make sure the South would not get any support globally should they begin pushing the Northern ports out of the Textile Industry, and other Industries. They used predatory tactics to scalp factories being established in the South.
Ultimately, however, the North was fighting a losing battle. The South had too many foreign interest groups willing to invest.
So, the North played the Race card, and freeing the Slaves became public issue number one. Seeing how an Industrialized South complete with slave labor would annihilate all competition worldwide (you can't compete with slave labor, cough cough, China, cough cough), the North did have the moral high ground.
But, it's important to know the facts behind the Civil War. Each side had reasonable grievances:
The North wanted to maintain the status quo, with Industry in the North and Resources in the South, forming a solid foundation for an economically superior Nation at the cost of some States losing out on the global profits.
The South wanted to become self-sufficient and not rely on a corrupt business class of industrialists telling them what they'd pay for produce and materials while also being able to make their own rules on Slavery, as is supported by State Sovereignty.
Taking it back to Lincoln, he reasoned that State Sovereignty doesn't supersede the interests of the individual American persons, which he counted Slaves as being. The South saw it as an attempt to handicap them from ever being able to industrialize more than a human rights issue.
Lincoln knew, however, that should the South succeed in their dream of an Industrialized South, it would mean ruin for the entire Nation:
The North would become bankrupt, unable to compete with an Industrially Charged Pro-Slavery South, and then bought up by foreign interest groups.
The South would rely on foreign interest groups to fund new factories being built and ports opened, resulting in a land where 99% of the people working are Slaves, and the 1% are owned by foreigners.
Lincoln made the harsh decision to sacrifice State Sovereignty in order to maintain the Status Quo, with Industry up North and Resources down South. The pathway he saw to do that was to end Slavery.
TL;DR: If our Nation divides, it will destroy National commerce as the States draw lines in the sand and attempt to become self-sufficient. Some States simply cannot compete, and would fall victim to bankruptcy and being purchased by foreign interest groups. Lincoln found that A More Perfect Union requires some States sacrifice a dream of total economic domination so that a balanced trade landscape might benefit the Nation and its People as a whole. When one State succeeds, we all succeed. When one State fails, we all fail.
Texas is like our dominant Hand. It does the a large majority of work in our nation, but that doesn't mean it can survive without the rest of the body.
Yeah, that article has more of a pro-South, and even Marxist stint, having quoted him. It's well worth the read, though, if you wanted to give the South a chance to express their concerns at the time.
The points on Tariffs are far more in-depth than my description, but I will say it also leaves out the factory aspect of things. It wasn't just about tariffs, it was also about state self-sufficiency.
While I am all for fair competition between States, I am against States leaving the Nation when the problem is purely Cultural. Even if Texas seceded today, they'd still fall prey to the Leftist Culture dominating our entire Government. It's not just an economic issue, as can be said for the Civil War South.
No, if a State wants to leave, it should be amicable and peaceful. An embroiled State who sees the Federal Government as an enemy will only result in bloodshed and animosity between brothers. They Federal Government may well be an enemy to that State, but it's better to repair what's broken than scrap it for something new and untested.
Those are leftist states that don't produce anything.
As far as being bought up by foreign interest groups, that's already happening now. Bringing sovereignty back to actual producing states and help the ones that work thrive. Parasites are killing the good people.
States were set-up with access to resources in mind. The borders haven't changed for a long, long time. So why are they so unproductive?
Because, much of those resources are still just sitting there, kept barred off from the Citizens behind Liberal Federal Policies and Bureaucratic Industry Regulations.
Get rid of the Federal overreach and corruption/collusion, and you'll find those States who aren't pulling their weight spring back almost overnight. People would flock to those States looking for labor to fuel their bustling economies.
Even tourist States have something to offer. A Location itself is a commodity, and when used properly can make bank.
The one thing that makes chunks of that book out of date these days is the extent to which Leftism has infested the cities in some of these States, to the point of actually taking over the entire States' politics.
Oregon and Washington (the East sides of them) want to leave Portland and Seattle to join with Idaho, for example. Or in the case of Southwestern Oregon, they want to leave Oregon and join North California and form "The State of Jefferson". It's real. "Not a joke", as Bo Jiden would say. Chance that Sacramento and Portland would allow that? I'd say damn near zero.
Carving up the country into nine nation-states will have the same outcome that carving up Africa after WW1 and WW2 had.
You simply can't force cultures onto one another. The borders of each State are as holy to their loyal citizens as the hem-lines on the Shroud of Turin. You can argue the authenticity, but it's best not to monkey with it on the off chance we'd mess it up.
Force 'em out and convince others to not move here.
There's a house at the end of my street that's for sale. I make sure to talk to EVERYONE that looks at it whenever the realtor comes by (the joys of a decent home-grown surveillance setup).
This imho is another divisive psyop. Didn’t the texas GOP just say that Biden was not legit? I think the deep state wants to start civil war and they’re prepping their soldiers. “See look at those crazy Texans!!”
If you watch Abbots actions closely he looks like deepstate. Nothing but pomp and circumstance at the border no real action. Pushes for abortion reform when the uniparty needed a distraction from bidens God awful performance. And now Texas threatens succession, basically threatens to destroy the gop in America, when we should be focused on ensuring the integretty of the 2022 election and propping up Maga candidates. Abbot is a distraction, I don't trust him. Texas is not the libertarian garden of eden its made out to be. They have shit hole blue cities and failing leftist electric infestructure. Texas is California with a trump hat on in a navy blue shirt and kaki shorts.
The last sentence is gold. my friends that are moving to texas for greener pastures….are in for a surprise. Sometimes I wonder if it’s another ploy to get people to move out of ca so they can scoop up property. Kind of like when real estate developers want to take over old properties and suddenly there’s rat and snake infestations everywhere.
It doesn't even matter, they take a vote every 5-10 years. Never goes anywhere. I almost hope it does this time, it would keep things interesting anyways.
Did this story come out immediately after the GOP vote?
If so, then you are probably right. A psyop to divert the real news: Biden is not lawfully in office and must be removed (but not before January 21, 2023, because then Trump can come back and still be eligible for 2024 election).
Think of it this way most of Colorado wants to secede from Boulder, Denver, Aspen and other rich mountain towns (Libtardians) same as Wyoming they want to secede from Jacksons Hole, we could build a wall! ... 😂
It may be just the beginning where multiple States secede from the USA and form their own country. Kinda like the Civil War 2.0. The difference this time is that the reason for the breakup is about fundamental morality instead of about economics or slavery. In all honesty, with the current government disavowing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, it is more like they have seceded from us, the people. They have broken the covenant that bound the States together. The only reason the Union was formed was because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights clearly defining the role and limitations of the Federal government. The Union was only ratified after a long and arduous debate over the wording and the inclusion of restraints on the power of the Federal government. We have all experienced the dilution and erosion of the Bill of Rights and the expansion of the powers of the Federal government beyond their Constitutional limits. The restoration of the the Constitution and the Bill of Rights has to be the primary goal of any path moving forward. Our country is strongest when it is united, however it is only righteous if we adhere to the precepts put forth in the founding documents. Strength without wisdom is dangerous and power without balance is prone to evil. Morality is the balance that restrains power, without it our capacity for evil is equal to our capacity for good. Texas would be better served in announcing a return to the spirit of the founding documents and collecting support among the majority of States to agree to a Constitutional Convention to renew our vows/oaths to the principles of our founding fathers and to clarify the exact meaning and intent of those words within the founding documents.
North GA which contains Atlanta and South GA are two entirely different. We get tired of being ruled by the sickos in the metro areas. If they would leave us alone, we would be fine!
If Texas secedes, then so do the Electoral Votes.
In other words, it would be impossible for a Trump (Or any Republican) 2020 or 2024 win.
When the only one with gumption to do anything leave, then the garden will rot completely.
Texas leaves. Florida leaves. Other based states leave. They all form a coalition, a confederation, if you will.
Lincoln proved that doesn't work. A Nation divided cannot stand.
The Civil War was only secondarily about Slave Ownership.
The real fight was between two facets of Industry: Resource Gathering VS Factories and Shipping.
The North had all the ports while the South had all the resources. Factories are built near ports to move goods and provide power generators with moving water. Plantations are built in temperate zones which lend well to agriculture.
The South was getting pissed off that they didn't get any increased profits from the markup on goods the North was implementing. The North was getting richer while the South stayed the same. So, the South began to open ports with the express intent of opening factories and becoming self-sufficient, away from the North who was reliant on Southern agricultural resources to fuel a ravenous world-wide textile industry.
The North knew they could not compete with the South. The South had slaves, resources, and new technologies such as steam engines which allowed them to open ports using railroads and steamboats to ship. The Northern ports were becoming obsolete.
So, what did the North do? They colluded to make sure the South would not get any support globally should they begin pushing the Northern ports out of the Textile Industry, and other Industries. They used predatory tactics to scalp factories being established in the South.
Ultimately, however, the North was fighting a losing battle. The South had too many foreign interest groups willing to invest.
So, the North played the Race card, and freeing the Slaves became public issue number one. Seeing how an Industrialized South complete with slave labor would annihilate all competition worldwide (you can't compete with slave labor, cough cough, China, cough cough), the North did have the moral high ground.
But, it's important to know the facts behind the Civil War. Each side had reasonable grievances:
The North wanted to maintain the status quo, with Industry in the North and Resources in the South, forming a solid foundation for an economically superior Nation at the cost of some States losing out on the global profits.
The South wanted to become self-sufficient and not rely on a corrupt business class of industrialists telling them what they'd pay for produce and materials while also being able to make their own rules on Slavery, as is supported by State Sovereignty.
Taking it back to Lincoln, he reasoned that State Sovereignty doesn't supersede the interests of the individual American persons, which he counted Slaves as being. The South saw it as an attempt to handicap them from ever being able to industrialize more than a human rights issue.
Lincoln knew, however, that should the South succeed in their dream of an Industrialized South, it would mean ruin for the entire Nation:
The North would become bankrupt, unable to compete with an Industrially Charged Pro-Slavery South, and then bought up by foreign interest groups.
The South would rely on foreign interest groups to fund new factories being built and ports opened, resulting in a land where 99% of the people working are Slaves, and the 1% are owned by foreigners.
Lincoln made the harsh decision to sacrifice State Sovereignty in order to maintain the Status Quo, with Industry up North and Resources down South. The pathway he saw to do that was to end Slavery.
TL;DR: If our Nation divides, it will destroy National commerce as the States draw lines in the sand and attempt to become self-sufficient. Some States simply cannot compete, and would fall victim to bankruptcy and being purchased by foreign interest groups. Lincoln found that A More Perfect Union requires some States sacrifice a dream of total economic domination so that a balanced trade landscape might benefit the Nation and its People as a whole. When one State succeeds, we all succeed. When one State fails, we all fail.
Texas is like our dominant Hand. It does the a large majority of work in our nation, but that doesn't mean it can survive without the rest of the body.
The same argument is found here, but maybe from a different angle. http://ashevilletribune.com/archives/censored-truths/Morrill%20Tariff.html
Yeah, that article has more of a pro-South, and even Marxist stint, having quoted him. It's well worth the read, though, if you wanted to give the South a chance to express their concerns at the time.
The points on Tariffs are far more in-depth than my description, but I will say it also leaves out the factory aspect of things. It wasn't just about tariffs, it was also about state self-sufficiency.
While I am all for fair competition between States, I am against States leaving the Nation when the problem is purely Cultural. Even if Texas seceded today, they'd still fall prey to the Leftist Culture dominating our entire Government. It's not just an economic issue, as can be said for the Civil War South.
No, if a State wants to leave, it should be amicable and peaceful. An embroiled State who sees the Federal Government as an enemy will only result in bloodshed and animosity between brothers. They Federal Government may well be an enemy to that State, but it's better to repair what's broken than scrap it for something new and untested.
Those are leftist states that don't produce anything.
As far as being bought up by foreign interest groups, that's already happening now. Bringing sovereignty back to actual producing states and help the ones that work thrive. Parasites are killing the good people.
Matthew 5:30.
It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that Leftist States CAN'T compete.
It's that they don't.
States were set-up with access to resources in mind. The borders haven't changed for a long, long time. So why are they so unproductive?
Because, much of those resources are still just sitting there, kept barred off from the Citizens behind Liberal Federal Policies and Bureaucratic Industry Regulations.
Get rid of the Federal overreach and corruption/collusion, and you'll find those States who aren't pulling their weight spring back almost overnight. People would flock to those States looking for labor to fuel their bustling economies.
Even tourist States have something to offer. A Location itself is a commodity, and when used properly can make bank.
Excellent summary. Not quite 100% dead on but close enough for jazz.
Thanks for posting. The more people know the better off we all are.
IMO it's the Democrats that are creating their "woke" confederation.
Nice post.
I do see that there will be "devolution" and perhaps this might even evolve into clustered States similar to "The Nine Nations of North America".
https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Nine_Nations_of_North_America
The one thing that makes chunks of that book out of date these days is the extent to which Leftism has infested the cities in some of these States, to the point of actually taking over the entire States' politics.
Oregon and Washington (the East sides of them) want to leave Portland and Seattle to join with Idaho, for example. Or in the case of Southwestern Oregon, they want to leave Oregon and join North California and form "The State of Jefferson". It's real. "Not a joke", as Bo Jiden would say. Chance that Sacramento and Portland would allow that? I'd say damn near zero.
Carving up the country into nine nation-states will have the same outcome that carving up Africa after WW1 and WW2 had.
You simply can't force cultures onto one another. The borders of each State are as holy to their loyal citizens as the hem-lines on the Shroud of Turin. You can argue the authenticity, but it's best not to monkey with it on the off chance we'd mess it up.
Force 'em out and convince others to not move here.
There's a house at the end of my street that's for sale. I make sure to talk to EVERYONE that looks at it whenever the realtor comes by (the joys of a decent home-grown surveillance setup).
Yeah the liberals in the comments section of the first article are ecstatic to hear this news.
This imho is another divisive psyop. Didn’t the texas GOP just say that Biden was not legit? I think the deep state wants to start civil war and they’re prepping their soldiers. “See look at those crazy Texans!!”
If you watch Abbots actions closely he looks like deepstate. Nothing but pomp and circumstance at the border no real action. Pushes for abortion reform when the uniparty needed a distraction from bidens God awful performance. And now Texas threatens succession, basically threatens to destroy the gop in America, when we should be focused on ensuring the integretty of the 2022 election and propping up Maga candidates. Abbot is a distraction, I don't trust him. Texas is not the libertarian garden of eden its made out to be. They have shit hole blue cities and failing leftist electric infestructure. Texas is California with a trump hat on in a navy blue shirt and kaki shorts.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/06/texass_gov_abbott_blocks_and_breaks_that_gargantuan_incoming_caravan.html
Are we sure about Abbott? I don’t know much about him and I don’t live in Texas but it seems like he’s been doing stuff behind the scenes.
The last sentence is gold. my friends that are moving to texas for greener pastures….are in for a surprise. Sometimes I wonder if it’s another ploy to get people to move out of ca so they can scoop up property. Kind of like when real estate developers want to take over old properties and suddenly there’s rat and snake infestations everywhere.
It doesn't even matter, they take a vote every 5-10 years. Never goes anywhere. I almost hope it does this time, it would keep things interesting anyways.
Did this story come out immediately after the GOP vote?
If so, then you are probably right. A psyop to divert the real news: Biden is not lawfully in office and must be removed (but not before January 21, 2023, because then Trump can come back and still be eligible for 2024 election).
I think it did. Yesterday they were talking about Texas GOP saying Biden is illegitimate and today we have news they are seceding
LOL We The People will be voting from rooftops friend.
The rules don’t matter any more.
Who gives a shit about electoral votes when the baddies are just going to cheat and lie from a hundred angles?
If voting mattered they wouldn’t allow you to do it ~ Mark Twain
Unless other states follow suit. Are we seeing the beginning of a new Confederacy?
Think of it this way most of Colorado wants to secede from Boulder, Denver, Aspen and other rich mountain towns (Libtardians) same as Wyoming they want to secede from Jacksons Hole, we could build a wall! ... 😂
And northern California wants to secede from Southern California.
It may be just the beginning where multiple States secede from the USA and form their own country. Kinda like the Civil War 2.0. The difference this time is that the reason for the breakup is about fundamental morality instead of about economics or slavery. In all honesty, with the current government disavowing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, it is more like they have seceded from us, the people. They have broken the covenant that bound the States together. The only reason the Union was formed was because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights clearly defining the role and limitations of the Federal government. The Union was only ratified after a long and arduous debate over the wording and the inclusion of restraints on the power of the Federal government. We have all experienced the dilution and erosion of the Bill of Rights and the expansion of the powers of the Federal government beyond their Constitutional limits. The restoration of the the Constitution and the Bill of Rights has to be the primary goal of any path moving forward. Our country is strongest when it is united, however it is only righteous if we adhere to the precepts put forth in the founding documents. Strength without wisdom is dangerous and power without balance is prone to evil. Morality is the balance that restrains power, without it our capacity for evil is equal to our capacity for good. Texas would be better served in announcing a return to the spirit of the founding documents and collecting support among the majority of States to agree to a Constitutional Convention to renew our vows/oaths to the principles of our founding fathers and to clarify the exact meaning and intent of those words within the founding documents.
More accurately, California wants to secede from Sacramento, the Bay Area, and Los Angeles.
Ha lol Northern Colorado tried it, we are hoping they will again then we’d just have to move a few hundred miles. 😂
North GA which contains Atlanta and South GA are two entirely different. We get tired of being ruled by the sickos in the metro areas. If they would leave us alone, we would be fine!