Sadly, I think most higher education is like that. You just cram and cram for years. At least doctors need to have practical experience before they start work in earnest.
However, the odds were stacked against them. John D Rockefeller seems to have been the man, in the US at least. His father sold fake medicine for a living. John D struck it rich in oil, expanded his business to other stuff you could dig up and sell. With vertical integration he moved into chemicals then pharmaceuticals.
Pharmaceuticals could use some of the waste products from his oil business. To maximise his profits, he had the medical textbooks re-written to rubbish traditional medicines and to push the new drugs. Then he awarded medical schools money if they pushed his products.
Remember, his father sold a mixture of, I think, water and oil to the masses as a cure-all. When he was found out he just moved to the next town. I don't suppose John D ever saw a problem with peddling fake medicines as long as they made money.
AMA changed the medical curriculum in 1983. My uncle retired early in 83, said he would not practice the way they changed it all, and felt sorry for the american citizens.
They get less and less practical experience now though. When I was a student you saw a lot of patients, did admissions, charting, assisted in surgeries & did jobs on the wards.
Now… not so much. They’ve structured tutorials, case-based-learning, portfolios to write, SIMs labs to attend etc, but it’s not the same. More observational, less responsibility.
Yeah, fuck the whole Rockefeller family. Their bloodline should be erased. Mine too if I'm descended from the black nobility. It's a good thing me and my sister decided not to have kids.
The current education system in (not only) western world is deliberately debilitating.
This is my opinion, i'm no expert on the issue.
The way i see it:
Step 1) Present information for students to memorize
There is no real incentive for brain to do so, at most it would be something abstractive like "it is going to be on the test" or "teacher said so".
Step 2) Present a problem or question that is supposed to be solved from memory alone
Student then receives grade not basen on his ability to solve the problem but rather on his ability to force his brain to accept and remember information presented in step 1. without questioning said information.
This will change how the brain operates in order to make said brain accept informations presented at "face value" as long as it is presented by authority (aka "teacher said so").
Real learning happens when the problem or question is presented FIRST and brain is forced to think how to solve it, actively look for information on how to solve it, testing various ways on how to solve it and even failing at it repeatedly. (aka "doing your own research"). Since education system actively pushes againts this princible then it will diminish brains ability learn.
No wonder that information from Q drops is often presented as questions rather than answers.
I'd take it one step further. It eliminated their need to analyze disease and focused their attention on recognizing symptoms. They learned that they should input those symptoms into Big Pharma supplied software computer which spits out what drugs are needed to treat. This formed the basis for hospital treatment protocols. What's missing is the clinical analysis of the disease with an eye toward curing. No money in curing a disease when the symptoms can be treated with expensive medications for years on end. More money means more and bigger hospitals, more beds, more drugs and more money in a never ending cycle. Instead of doctors we have high paid systems analysts that do as instructed by big pharma.
I'm sure there are a lot of doctors like that -- and to be clear, I'd definitely prefer my surgeons to be that way -- but I think more it's more accurate to say that state and federal governments are taking away their ability to practice if they don't do as they're told, so while some disagree they have to do as they're told or else be unable to help people (for some) or unable to sustain their livelihood (for others)
The proof has already been happening; we have seen physicians essentially castrated for not requiring and administering vaccines, in the same ways we saw lawyers threatened for standing up to the election fraud.
I would imagine part of that has to do with if they're in private practice or part of a network. If you're in a network, if you don't follow their dictates, then you're kicked out and on your own. If you're in private practice, you only answer to your patients. I can see why medical/hospital networks are good, but they're too top-heavy. No room to think, only to regurgitate.
I believe this totally. Back in the day, we had interns from the best universities. They could recite reams of facts but couldn't apply that knowledge to anything.
Not to mention Drs here go to other countries to practice real medicine. Drs here have to go work for a medical super pacs to cover their asses incase litigation.
That unfortunately makes all too much sense. It's also likely why they "work" so many long hours in "residency." No time to think about anything or do any alternative research.
I was married to a physician finishing last year of med school, then rotations at Ohio State.
These people are gacked up on speed all week then party all weekend on coke and alcohol benders, classmates fucking each other and destroying marriages. This was around 2007 and it was insane. I was shocked at the behavior of "doctors" and this is coming from myself who worked in pharmacy and have been around plenty of health care professionals. Med Students are terrifying and you couldnt pay me to go to a "teaching" hospital after the shit I've seen.
Sadly, I think most higher education is like that. You just cram and cram for years. At least doctors need to have practical experience before they start work in earnest.
However, the odds were stacked against them. John D Rockefeller seems to have been the man, in the US at least. His father sold fake medicine for a living. John D struck it rich in oil, expanded his business to other stuff you could dig up and sell. With vertical integration he moved into chemicals then pharmaceuticals.
Pharmaceuticals could use some of the waste products from his oil business. To maximise his profits, he had the medical textbooks re-written to rubbish traditional medicines and to push the new drugs. Then he awarded medical schools money if they pushed his products.
Remember, his father sold a mixture of, I think, water and oil to the masses as a cure-all. When he was found out he just moved to the next town. I don't suppose John D ever saw a problem with peddling fake medicines as long as they made money.
Yes, E Richard Brown explains it in "Rockefeller Medicine Men: Medicine and Capitalism in America".
They are also in debt up to their eyeballs (slaves), and thus easily controlled by Big Pharma / Cabal.
AMA changed the medical curriculum in 1983. My uncle retired early in 83, said he would not practice the way they changed it all, and felt sorry for the american citizens.
And the AMA is one of those 3 letter agencies about to be undermined by our SCOTUS, right? 👀
I don't think it's a government organization.
Hmmmmmmmmm okie dokie
Itll go away some other time 🙌🏻
They get less and less practical experience now though. When I was a student you saw a lot of patients, did admissions, charting, assisted in surgeries & did jobs on the wards.
Now… not so much. They’ve structured tutorials, case-based-learning, portfolios to write, SIMs labs to attend etc, but it’s not the same. More observational, less responsibility.
Yeah, fuck the whole Rockefeller family. Their bloodline should be erased. Mine too if I'm descended from the black nobility. It's a good thing me and my sister decided not to have kids.
Snake oil salesman.
The current education system in (not only) western world is deliberately debilitating.
This is my opinion, i'm no expert on the issue.
The way i see it:
Step 1) Present information for students to memorize There is no real incentive for brain to do so, at most it would be something abstractive like "it is going to be on the test" or "teacher said so".
Step 2) Present a problem or question that is supposed to be solved from memory alone Student then receives grade not basen on his ability to solve the problem but rather on his ability to force his brain to accept and remember information presented in step 1. without questioning said information.
This will change how the brain operates in order to make said brain accept informations presented at "face value" as long as it is presented by authority (aka "teacher said so").
Real learning happens when the problem or question is presented FIRST and brain is forced to think how to solve it, actively look for information on how to solve it, testing various ways on how to solve it and even failing at it repeatedly. (aka "doing your own research"). Since education system actively pushes againts this princible then it will diminish brains ability learn.
No wonder that information from Q drops is often presented as questions rather than answers.
I'd take it one step further. It eliminated their need to analyze disease and focused their attention on recognizing symptoms. They learned that they should input those symptoms into Big Pharma supplied software computer which spits out what drugs are needed to treat. This formed the basis for hospital treatment protocols. What's missing is the clinical analysis of the disease with an eye toward curing. No money in curing a disease when the symptoms can be treated with expensive medications for years on end. More money means more and bigger hospitals, more beds, more drugs and more money in a never ending cycle. Instead of doctors we have high paid systems analysts that do as instructed by big pharma.
Don't necessarily agree.
I'm sure there are a lot of doctors like that -- and to be clear, I'd definitely prefer my surgeons to be that way -- but I think more it's more accurate to say that state and federal governments are taking away their ability to practice if they don't do as they're told, so while some disagree they have to do as they're told or else be unable to help people (for some) or unable to sustain their livelihood (for others)
The proof has already been happening; we have seen physicians essentially castrated for not requiring and administering vaccines, in the same ways we saw lawyers threatened for standing up to the election fraud.
I would imagine part of that has to do with if they're in private practice or part of a network. If you're in a network, if you don't follow their dictates, then you're kicked out and on your own. If you're in private practice, you only answer to your patients. I can see why medical/hospital networks are good, but they're too top-heavy. No room to think, only to regurgitate.
I’ve always had a “know your enemy” approach to shitty things and have gone down many rabbit holes exploring. This is a good site to check out. https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-medicine-all-memorization.798555/
I believe this totally. Back in the day, we had interns from the best universities. They could recite reams of facts but couldn't apply that knowledge to anything.
Not to mention Drs here go to other countries to practice real medicine. Drs here have to go work for a medical super pacs to cover their asses incase litigation.
That unfortunately makes all too much sense. It's also likely why they "work" so many long hours in "residency." No time to think about anything or do any alternative research.
MD here. Totally agree. Critical thinking or speaking out of line is not rewarded as a student or after you qualify. Quite the contrary.
You wouldn't believe the drugs.
I was married to a physician finishing last year of med school, then rotations at Ohio State.
These people are gacked up on speed all week then party all weekend on coke and alcohol benders, classmates fucking each other and destroying marriages. This was around 2007 and it was insane. I was shocked at the behavior of "doctors" and this is coming from myself who worked in pharmacy and have been around plenty of health care professionals. Med Students are terrifying and you couldnt pay me to go to a "teaching" hospital after the shit I've seen.
Yes, but no but.