Well, at a first read, this is pretty enraging. They can take your stuff and keep it just because they say they can. That's a load of garbage. However, after reading that they are looking for Hillary's stuff, all of this becomes very interesting ....
DOJ is claiming since the search warrant included “anything near or in boxes with classified docs” were fair game or anything found in “good faith” was admissible even if it was attorney client privilege. The argument is hypocritical. The search warrant was sketchy at best. I think they may have found something and that’s why they are asking for everything to be afforded to both parties but sealed by the court (not public). To me it seems like an absolute violation of the 4th amendment. As you said, Trump saying what he thinks they were looking for adds some spice.
I reread the response to the motion this evening after reading @paulsperry (mentioned below) about Jay Bratt revealing “key investigative details”. It wasn’t a specific mention of Hillary, more the way the response read.
There’s 3 issues addressed but number one is the crux.
Is he entitled to return of property?
Technically, all presidential records belong to the US, however, executive privilege applies if there’s proprietary interest in the presidential records. Trumps original motion states it was information or documents gained during his presidency so he has executive privilege. The response yesterday claims that’s proof that it belongs to the US. The question is what would one consider proprietary interest?
Collusion, proof of election interference, treason, russia gate, DNC spying on campaign, etc. all possible classified info that came into possession during his term. All personal stakes for trump. Does he have proprietary interest? Now consider restrictions to access of the records and the EO’s. (It’s late but I’ll dig for the one bouncing around in my head mañana)
Once the archivist notified Trumps attorney, he fell within the range of statue to claim executive privilege (the response claims it wasn’t filed urgently but it’s by the books). IMO, this was what caused panic and led them to obtain the shady warrant which encompassed personal effects. It’s a “good faith” loophole. I’m not sure I articulated my connections very well but this is how I foresee the judgement tomorrow.
The injunction will be denied.
The special master will be allowed (it’s a slippery slope violation of the 4th amendment)
The return of property will be dependent on the special master.
Sure would be something if they found something but won’t be able to use it bc it was a violation of the 4A, however, I doubt the documents they were looking for would be in his office. He’s not stupid. Tomorrow we see how Act 1657 scene 6 plays out! 😜
I feel like when the NARA came to see the documents, Trump communicated to them that he has these documents.
When FBI came first time to MAL, he communicated where these documents will be.
Now he has legally handed over these documents to a group in FBI. Right after that, it looks like the blackhat handler for that group - Thibault - was removed, so strings cut.
Now these filings are further communications of what else was collected, what should be sent back and what should be kept. Remember, the raid happened when the blackhat strings were not cut.
I think we are watching a very complex operation in motion.
He’s not dumb and seems to always have a plan in place. It seems there’s always a way to get the public informed and anons searching for connections. Hysterical that the media comes here to get news, even if it’s a spin off of the topic. It almost seems like he continues to weed out the corrupt. BTW… regarding another conversation we had, the more people I follow on TS, the more it seems my original theory was correct when checking the date joined
BREAKING: Sources tell me Jay Bratt,
the DOJ official and DNC doner,
running the Mar-a-Lago case,
revealed key investigative details in
last night's 36 page motion (to block
Trump from appointing a special
master to review what the DoJ
confiscated from him) that are hidden
under the heavy redactions Bratt
insisted the court censor in the raid
affidavitt, which undermines his
argument for keeping those parts of
the affidavitt sealed.
I think a major reason Trump made these comments on TS was to make a startling comparison between himself and Hillary and the vast hypocrisy of it all.
She was literally told to preserve her documents and instead deleted and erased everything. Trump did none of those things.
Link to Trump v United States, Donald Trumps (original) motion for judicial oversight: appoint a special master, quit looking at my stuff until a special master is appointed, provide a more detailed receipt for property, return of all material not within scope of the search warrant.
This is the second case on the docket, filings by third party intervenors (Judicial Watch, CNN, CBS, NBC, AP, etc.), who want to see the warrant, and want to see the unredacted warrant:
Appreciate the full docket for others, I read legal all day, everyday. Can’t quite figure you out though. At least you seem to be entertaining yourself!
Well, at a first read, this is pretty enraging. They can take your stuff and keep it just because they say they can. That's a load of garbage. However, after reading that they are looking for Hillary's stuff, all of this becomes very interesting ....
DOJ is claiming since the search warrant included “anything near or in boxes with classified docs” were fair game or anything found in “good faith” was admissible even if it was attorney client privilege. The argument is hypocritical. The search warrant was sketchy at best. I think they may have found something and that’s why they are asking for everything to be afforded to both parties but sealed by the court (not public). To me it seems like an absolute violation of the 4th amendment. As you said, Trump saying what he thinks they were looking for adds some spice.
i agree!
The search warrant was ridiculous at best.
Amazingly stupid of the FBI.
To raid a President's home to search for possible classified documents is like raiding a bank for the possible possession of money.
He is the constitutional final authority on what is and what is not classified.
EDIT: And the possibility that Biden reclassified certain of the documents?
Null and void. The Constitution covers that too.
Thank Goodness Melania was not sitting next to the boxes, or else they would have siezed her and refused to return her back.
Wait, did any document mention Hillary stuff, or are you referring to Trump's truth?
I reread the response to the motion this evening after reading @paulsperry (mentioned below) about Jay Bratt revealing “key investigative details”. It wasn’t a specific mention of Hillary, more the way the response read.
There’s 3 issues addressed but number one is the crux.
Technically, all presidential records belong to the US, however, executive privilege applies if there’s proprietary interest in the presidential records. Trumps original motion states it was information or documents gained during his presidency so he has executive privilege. The response yesterday claims that’s proof that it belongs to the US. The question is what would one consider proprietary interest?
Collusion, proof of election interference, treason, russia gate, DNC spying on campaign, etc. all possible classified info that came into possession during his term. All personal stakes for trump. Does he have proprietary interest? Now consider restrictions to access of the records and the EO’s. (It’s late but I’ll dig for the one bouncing around in my head mañana)
Once the archivist notified Trumps attorney, he fell within the range of statue to claim executive privilege (the response claims it wasn’t filed urgently but it’s by the books). IMO, this was what caused panic and led them to obtain the shady warrant which encompassed personal effects. It’s a “good faith” loophole. I’m not sure I articulated my connections very well but this is how I foresee the judgement tomorrow.
The injunction will be denied. The special master will be allowed (it’s a slippery slope violation of the 4th amendment) The return of property will be dependent on the special master.
Sure would be something if they found something but won’t be able to use it bc it was a violation of the 4A, however, I doubt the documents they were looking for would be in his office. He’s not stupid. Tomorrow we see how Act 1657 scene 6 plays out! 😜
Thanks for this.
I think a clear picture is emerging. It almost feels like the whole thing is a communication between various factions and Trump. I put some thoughts here: https://greatawakening.win/p/15JTpBH2dt/the-dates-on-the-documents-in-th/c/
I feel like when the NARA came to see the documents, Trump communicated to them that he has these documents.
When FBI came first time to MAL, he communicated where these documents will be.
Now he has legally handed over these documents to a group in FBI. Right after that, it looks like the blackhat handler for that group - Thibault - was removed, so strings cut.
Now these filings are further communications of what else was collected, what should be sent back and what should be kept. Remember, the raid happened when the blackhat strings were not cut.
I think we are watching a very complex operation in motion.
He’s not dumb and seems to always have a plan in place. It seems there’s always a way to get the public informed and anons searching for connections. Hysterical that the media comes here to get news, even if it’s a spin off of the topic. It almost seems like he continues to weed out the corrupt. BTW… regarding another conversation we had, the more people I follow on TS, the more it seems my original theory was correct when checking the date joined
what is that thing about search and seizure...
Yes, that was an eye opener, that all of the assets from innocent people were retained
Yes worth 81 million of other peoples property!
We needed Milania's dresses in Marlago to go with our jewelry we found in California!
WSJ article that links to 36 page objection….
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-bolsters-florida-legal-team-11661870344
Trump truth…
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/108914191352296732
For those not on TS he says he believes they were looking for Hillary emails and/or any info on the Mueller report.
Trump Truth TT1536 / 08/31/2022
@paulsperry
BREAKING: Sources tell me Jay Bratt,
the DOJ official and DNC doner,
running the Mar-a-Lago case,
revealed key investigative details in
last night's 36 page motion (to block
Trump from appointing a special
master to review what the DoJ
confiscated from him) that are hidden
under the heavy redactions Bratt
insisted the court censor in the raid
affidavitt, which undermines his
argument for keeping those parts of
the affidavitt sealed.
https://qaggregator.news/?q=%23%23tt1536
Direct link to DoJ Motion to block Motion for Special Master:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0_3.pdf
Thanks for the post u/Nolagirl99 👈🏻
I think a major reason Trump made these comments on TS was to make a startling comparison between himself and Hillary and the vast hypocrisy of it all.
She was literally told to preserve her documents and instead deleted and erased everything. Trump did none of those things.
I do, however, believe Trump "has it all."
https://youtu.be/-r2luDoV9TI?t=31 ( 2 min )
Link to full docket, two cases, concerning the Mar A Lago warrant and subsequent search of residence and seizure of materials:
https://www.courtlistener.com/?q=9%3A22-cv-81294&type=r&order_by=score%20desc
Link to Trump v United States, Donald Trumps (original) motion for judicial oversight: appoint a special master, quit looking at my stuff until a special master is appointed, provide a more detailed receipt for property, return of all material not within scope of the search warrant.
Trump v United States
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.1.0_13.pdf
Link to full Document 48, partially extracted above in OP, is United States response to Donald Trump motion for judicial oversight:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0_3.pdf
This is the second case on the docket, filings by third party intervenors (Judicial Watch, CNN, CBS, NBC, AP, etc.), who want to see the warrant, and want to see the unredacted warrant:
United States v Sealed Search Warrant
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/64872441/united-states-v-sealed-search-warrant/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
Appreciate the full docket for others, I read legal all day, everyday. Can’t quite figure you out though. At least you seem to be entertaining yourself!
I said this off rip. The raid was to look for anything regarding W and the Plan. Secondarily to plant whatever they could to prevent him running in 24