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Amen, and hallelujah! Very well said. Thank you for a great post.
If you allow the Bible, you have to allow the Quran and the Torah.
What about our country is based on something unique to Christianity?
Thanks for the list of quotes, I'm sure they will come in useful for me.
But I'm asking what actual principles or aspects of our country are unique to Christianity.
Having people, even our Founding Fathers, simply say that the US is founded on Christianity is not giving an answer as to what those principles are.
For instance, you have one who says that religion is a source of morals, thus we need religion. Yet Christianity is not the only religion that people base morals upon.
One nation under God
A school is not a church or any kind of spiritual authority, so they can offer no guidance in how to read the Bible. Pharisees, Mormons, almost every Western cult since 1960, Satan himself, all "read the bible" but they are spiritually darkened and only twist the bible for evil.
Children especially need spiritual guidance.
Lol ok. Meanwhile in Utah kids can take an extra period for religious study. Itâs called seminary and itâs even offered in public school. Those who donât want it get a free/elective period. Maybe yâall should figure your shit out. The Mormons did.
Lost me at âThe Mormons didâ.
Then youâre retarded. They added the option to their schools. Wasnât hard. Turned 7 courses into 8 and did A day and B day, allowing kids the option to go off campus for one period for the religious education of their choice, take additional elective AP courses, or just have a free period.
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fucking prick.
You mean the Mormon cult with the magic underwear and all the major doctrinal changes, such as stopping polygamy and cutting down the 7 years of stockpiled food down to 6 months? Years ago I debated a couple of those bicycle boys. They finally gave up and left. I think I knew the Book of Mormon better than they did. I don't say anything about something unless I've studied it first.
My father once said that he didn't want any teacher in school teaching about religion, because the teacher might teach religion that you didn't believe in. On the other hand, removing Bibles from school libraries was just wrong.
Not to mention 99% of them are die hard Trump supporters and a huge percentage are on board with Q.
You fuckers need to start learning who your friends are. Fucking stupid reading your shit. Mormons may be wrong but 99% of them are on the right team politically. Get over yourself.
Voting the correct way is not all there is. There are lifelong Republican families who vote that way regardless of the person or the issues, just as there are lifelong Democrat families who are really conservatives. They also need to know what's going on in the world, which believing the plagiarized fairy tale Book of Mormon indicates they don't have the mental capacity for. I know a good number of Mormons, and not a single one knows anything at all about Q. There may be some, but not around here.
Funny. I live here in Utah and just about everyone I know is on the Q train. Iâll take my experience over yours. Just fuck off bigot. Iâm exmormon but Iâd pick them over you.
I was just stating the fact that none I know are more than faintly aware of Q. It's odd that Utah voted for Mitt Romney. Either they aren't exactly really conservative, or they're not very knowledgeable about what's going on. I didn't vote for him or McCain.
Its not odd that they voted for Romney if you look at the timing if it. Romney was openly against Trump from the beginning, and most Utah Mormons, not knowing anything about Trump aside from knowing he used to be a Democrat, werenât big fans of his until about halfway into his term. They voted for him, but they were really voting against Hillary. They had wanted Romney to get into the race the entire time and he never did. Utah Mormons were JUST starting to come around to really liking Trump when Romney won the Republican nomination for Senate in Utah just 1.5 years into Trumpâs first term. Everyone knew he was grumpy with Trump but nobody knew what a full blown RINO he was about to prove to be. By the time November rolled around most people here were at the very least very suspicious of him, but the choice was him or whatever idiot Democrat thought they had a shot. Believe me when I say that no Mormon political figure has ever been more hated by Mormons at this point than Mitt Romney. Those here hate him more than Harry Reid, who they always viewed as a fake Mormon and a traitor. But Mitt has risen to a whole new level. If he ever gets another vote in Utah it wonât be from Mormons, but from Exmormon Democratsa who know heâs on their side now.
Youâre welcome.
I highly doubt they voted for Mitt
Yes. Them. Now their kids get religious education during the week. How fucking bigoted and prick headed can you be? They have a good idea. Implement it if you want Bible study in schools. Nobody asked your opinion on Mormonism specifically. Fucking hell some of you.
There should not be "religious education" at any time in school. It would almost always conflict with the parents' religion. Religious education should be at home and at Sunday school at church. I didn't ask you to stick in what Mormons supposedly have done. They actively teach against things that are in the Bible.
Just do what the Mormons do. They donât offer it at the school. They offer it off campus. All students regardless of religious affiliation have the option to leave campus for one period per day for the religious education of their choosing 2-3 times per week. It works great in Utah whether youâre Mormon or not.
What are the logistics of this? At my school, it would have taken most of a period to drive to my church and back, with not much time for training. Perhaps if you were in a massive city and your particular church happened to be a five minute walk from the school, it might work.
Mormons build seminary meeting houses close to every high school. You could find better locations.
There's a difference when religion is taught as a subject(or at least there should be).
It's taught (or should be) from a neutral perspective. It's taught the facts of the religion itself, without pushing opinions if the religion is "right" or "wrong" (and yet again or should be).
It's the difference between educating and preaching.
Pressing religion on others, such as reading Bible passages during class ( or other school functions), and stating or implying that this passage is "true" or "right" is what is not allowed in public schools.
Considering how many different denominations of Christianity there is, and how much these denominations differ, it seems like a bad idea that some random teacher or coach or whatever try to give a religious education to a kid, without knowing which denomination(let alone the kids with different religions entirely) the kid is.
For those that believe Catholics are Christians, there is a lot of bad blood between them and Protestants. I know there are a lot of people who would be pissed that a Catholic was telling their Baptist kid something that contradicted their church's teachings. Or someone who believed in predestination telling your child that Baptism was pointless or some such thing, which goes against your belief.
Other than being taught as an actual course, from an educator who knows the difference between educating and preaching, religion needs to be taught at home or at church.
I don't think we should limit where we can worship. If a child wants to pray in school, then so be it. Right now, they have even stopped children praying silently before eating.
Are schools employing mind readers now? How in the world would they know if anyone was praying silently?
Could you please share where you're getting your information on this? I am very interested in understanding exactly how school administrators are stopping people from praying silently.
Sorry, it was on the news years ago, there was a table of kids that was silent with their heads bowed and eyes closed. They were asked what they were doing. If you would like to digI think it was around the same time as the big push to have places for muslims to pray at school or work. Very old news.
If this happened so very long ago, why did you say it was happening "right now"?
Sorry you are right, rereading and I don't even know why I put Right now. The rest is true though.
I like this! You said this so much better than I did.
Take your children to church, read the Bible at home, discuss it. Teach your children morality at home, discuss it, be a role model, teach your children "the facts of life" at home, where it belongs. I cannot teach Geometry, grammar, algebra, chemistry, etc, the school does that. Apples don't fall far from the tree, the school is not the tree. There are an awful amount of Black prisoners who were introduced to Islam in prison, so, should they teach that in school too? If I want my child to have religion in an educational school, there are plenty of private parochial schools available, or, I could home school. I would rather they teach trades in school, from an early age. I took my kids to church every Sunday, I taught Sunday school for awhile, while the adults were attending service, I had the littles upstairs learning about their religion and giving them the fundamentals of the Faith. Just be a good parent and read the Bible at home, quote it often when they are confused about the world. Say grace at mealtie and prayers at bedtime, it works, it is not the responsibility of the school.
Stop. Kids arenât not allowed to read the Bible at school. Theyâre just not forced to. Thereâs a difference.
They are removing Bibles from the library. Even back in my day when we all recited the Lord's prayer in school, they would never have allowed us to read Bibles in class, as we were being taught regular schools subjects.
Implement seminary like the Mormons do in Utah. Not hard.
Kids are already coming out of school ignorant. If they're taken out of class 3 or 4 more hours a week, they won't even be qualified to say "Fries with that?"
And it's still in school, unless you plan on driving kids all over the county to get to their churches.
Utahâs education does ok.
Going off topic from religion, I 100% agree with the idea that a lot of schools today aren't doing even a halfway decent job educating our kids, and much of their time is being frittered away on nonsense.
Some have been stopped, they also have been stopped praying over their meals.
And pretty sure when thatâs happened itâs turned into big news stories and lawsuits have been filed and people al have been fired. I agree the school system has moved massively in the wrong direction but I definitely feel like people have woken up and weâre starting to win those battles.
Where? How exactly can you stop anyone from praying? You can pray silently any time you wish.
I'm not aware of anything in the Bible saying that prayers must be said aloud. In fact, I'm quite certain there's something in the Bible about not making a big fuss while you pray, instead you're told to do so quietly.
I would really like to know what exactly happened at these schools where the admin has stopped anyone from praying over their own meals and such.
Edited to add: I found the Bible verses I was talking about.
Matthew 6; 5-6 âAnd when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
Mostly that's how I do, but some people are obvious that they are praying. Holding up your hands and looking up can be a good indicator. Prayer hands is a giveaway, or head bowed, eyes closed, hands on lap, sometimes lips moving with no sound.
Uh huh.
Lotsa lively discussion. kek.
A few points:
All schools should be structured around serious parental involvement, in a model where the School is the servant and the Parents are the Masters empowering the schools and its staff. Just like the People should be guiding and running Government, not the other way around. Anything else is a recipe for disaster and infiltration of ideologies with agendas.
Should the Bible be taught in schools? There are two dimensions to such potential education:
One, teaching of the Bible from a non-religious, non-doctrinal perspective, highlighting the CONTENT of the Bible and examination of how that content has been reflected in and influenced the history, culture and development of Western Society and systems, with an emphasis on the positive benefits but also recognition of the issues and challenges conflicting religious views have involved. Here, kids are taught about their cultural and historical heritage.
Two, teaching of the Bible as a scriptural study. This should be done by creating breakout options where students can go to their chosen class and study with who they want: i.e. X teacher teaching about Bible from X perspective, N teacher studying Bible from N perspective, etc. Also to include non-Bible study group, for parents who want their kids to NOT study Bible.
Decisions as to what different study groups would be available MUST be decided by parental direction, availability of volunteers, etc. with N threshold (i.e. minimum number of parents who want this). This means that classes would reflect the actual values of the community of families (parents) and classes with one or two students would not get in. The parents collective can veto any particular type of class they think is bad. (e.g. So, trans and marxist activists cannot simply set up their own classes. Activist / fanatical "guardian figures" would have to suck it up and sorry, no, you cannot have a small LGBTQI class with 5 students.)
Here, tolerance will come into play. Some believers are kind of fanatical in their approach, thinking that any theology that doesn't confirm to their view is evil. But if the number of such believers is small, then a more tolerant broader community of faithful parents would not block different but not overtly harmful theological teaching, as long as there are enough parents who want this available to their children, and volunteers to teach/lead the study group could be found. (i.e. anything less than 20% support in the community would not get a class.)
Volunteers would teach, 2 or 3 times per week, and parents get to decide which particular class their kids go to, including an opt-out option (where the kids simply study biology or gardening, or something like that: for families that are non-religious.
Such a system only works if
A) there is serious and adequate interest and involvement from parents guiding this or supervising people who direct such a program. (See point 1. above).
B) there is a broader sentiment of religious understanding and tolerance on the part of the parental community
C) freedom is provided to the students ala direction from parents as to what, if any, study group they attend
(My kids attended a state-run primary school (re: elementary school) where such a system was in place to some extent. Parental involvement was limited, but it wasn't being overrun by Marxists at that point, and it worked well.
I even sent my kids ot Ba'hai classes for a period, because I wanted them to learn about other faiths and other perspectives. (We are a very faithful family, strongly dedicated to Christ, and are not threatened by the alternative views out there, but rather see them as something to understand in the context of humanity, Christ and God's providence. No real faith is completely devoid of truth, even if they do not understand or teach the centrality of Christ to all things.))
In a method such as described above, if the community is strongly Baptist, for example, a bible study could be offered from a Baptist perspective. It's Opt-in, and those who don't want their kids to participate get to opt-out and have their kids do something else.
Secularism is unhealthy. Neutrality in faith does not mean NO spirituality. It means a broad perspective, and one that appreciates the immeasurable positive benefits that faith in many diverse forms have brought to human societies. That's just the objective starting point. And all kids should be taught that religion has had such important and critical benefits, despite the flaws.
Practice of Faith, belief, etc, however, is a personal thing, and not something to be foisted on any student or family. So any dimension of education along those lines must be opt-in choice for all involved.
Kids should NOT be taught that religion is evil, as the Marxists think. (Marxism is a satanic ideology/religion). But they should also not be taught that religion doesn't matter. It does. Religion matters, Faith matters. There are many people - even nominal atheists - who recognize that faith practice brings great benefits to society, even if they do not practice it themselves.
Wow. This is one of the most thought provoking posts I've come across here. No disrespect meant to others. I believe that there are many thought provoking posts here.
It's also polite, and touches on some very important points that I believe are important to our society as a whole, and to parents of school age kids in particular.
This is the type of discussion I love to see and participate in. Intelligent, well presented, polite and respectful of yourself and others.
Thanks so much for posting this. It has much to think on, and I'm looking forward to using some of these points in future conversations about religion in schools. đđ
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I think this statement is true. I donât agree with teaching religion in school. Let one in & they all have to be accepted. As a parent I would not have wanted my children being taught other religions and pagan religions (still practiced today). Many people are good people but not Christianâs because their parents taught them wrong from right but maybe not read the Bible. Most religions believe in being a good person. Donât misunderstand me, Iâm a Christian but just being a Christian doesnât make you a good person. Many people that have never missed church do very bad things.
Religion is something that you need to discover by yourself, you can't just force somebody to become religious, and in fact trying to do is one of the biggest reasons why people have become so turned off from religion. Likewise people are far too focused on words, which are a symbol that we use to represent reality, actual reality is not words, it is of utmost importance to remember this when discussing religious matters. The goal should be an experience of Unity with God, not the ability to speak certain words in a certain way.
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The Bible shouldn't be presented to children, at least in entirety until after they hit puberty. Otherwise just keep it to Mathew, Luke and John until then...
Students can take their own Bibles into schools to read on their own time.
What's not allowed is making it mandatory that students in public schools read or study the Bible or that anyone employed by the schools or in a position of authority give students religious education.
There was no "my own time" when I was in school. The teacher taught us all day, except when we went to the cafeteria to try to eat our whole lunch before it was time to go back to class, and the few minutes of recess which was too short to be reading anything and it was outdoors in the weather, and the exercises and organized games for afternoon "recess." We had no free time for anything.
How sad for you.
It was very strict back then. Teachers would paddle students or even tape their mouths shut with 2" masking tape.
Our days were filled mostly with education, unlike today when students spend a lot of their time traipsing around the school going from one "special" thing to another. When I was in school, we had an art teacher who would come to our class maybe once or twice a year to help us with art projects. It was such a rarity, I still remember her name.
Ok. How does this relate to the conversation?
There shouldn't be free time for Bible reading in school. I didn't have any such time for doing anything but what the school told us to do. Now it might have been possible in 5th and 6th grades, as we weren't taught much of anything new those two years. It was just a few more spelling words, a different reading book, and a different woefully out of date science book.
Ah. Gotcha. Like I said in the other post, I agree about how so much time is wasted now.
But, we're talking about how things are now. Not "back when" or how things should be. And mostly, kids today have a good amount of free time at school now. And are able to read their own Bibles at school during that time, if they wish to do so.
My wife is a teacher and would beg to differ. Almost every minute of the kids' day is scheduled out. They have the computer class, the reading class, physical education, etc. And then the teachers have to cram the kids for the testing in the time that's left. That's today, not "back when."
Shouldnât it be, at the very least, the same with gender studies and critical race theory, thus vastly reducing the destructive Grooming thatâs taking place ?? And then, since so many of the âgender studies/ groomingâ books being pushed on them are Arguably pornographic, have them banned on that premise ??
We all agree that gender studies/CRT shouldnât be in school. That doesnât mean the bible should.
ââShouldnât it be, at the very least, the same with gender studies and critical race theory ââ
Was attempting to say Neither, then, should be on the curriculum .. The Truth can stand on its own and can be taught by parents or shared by fellow students.. The BS theyâre now TEACHING has no place being FORCED by the schools !!
I don't believe gender studies and such should be taught, either.
I'm not sure why you're bringing them up in this post, unless you think I'm a liberal simply because I pointed out that your post was simply not true, and thus were trying to shift the topic.
Nope.. Very much assumed we were on the same page.. still do.. just attempting to point out their obvious biases and hypocrisy.. thought it was a timely example of that..
I'm not sure that we're on the same page, though, since you seem to think that "taking Bibles out of schools"( paraphrasing here) is a bad thing.
We really should have closer ties to India. If nothing else, we have a shared cultural history of telling the British to fuck off...
Some schools have Bible clubs.
About the prison system. There is a overwhelming amount of African American Muslim converts in the jails and prisons of America.
IN 1963 the US Supreme Court rules God and Prayer out of schools as being "Unconstitutional".
We've been in a downward spiral ever since. Literally ALL our current cultural problems can be traced back to that moment: Increase in crime, unwed mothers, fatherless children, LGBT bullshit, Gender/Trans bullshit, young girls being taught that its ok to be a whore, decrease in IQ's across the board, you name it. We now have generations of Godless morons making decisions without a scrap of moral guidance to lean on.
This had been planned well before then, and controlling the Schools was a Yuge part of that plan⌠but they are in the shadows no longer !! This is a Battlefront we Patriots cannot ignore, and the Edicts of The Author Of the Word weâre speaking of must be adhered to..
Agreed, and I know what you speak of, but that specific year is when it all began in earnestđ
We are all praying and fighting for this year to be when that turns back to sanity !!đ
CONGRESS shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion. Congress, but cities, and towns can ban them if they want. We the People do have a right to not allow things that are a threat to each society. We are not bound by the same rules that we gave congress.
By the way great post!