I'm not sure I can celebrate this.
As much as I understand that many at Twitter probably were left wing assholes, I'm also sure that a lot of the employees there just wanted to earn money to pay their bills and feed their families.
Workers are not responsible for the actions of management.
Being a casualty of a layoff and currently looking for work, I can sympathize to a point. Mine happened without any warning. Last Friday in June, 14% of my company got laid off. It is very disorienting. On the other hand, the little birdies had PLENTY of warning. I saw one headline earlier where there apparently is a lawsuit forming that the layoffs are illegal and I had a flash of anger. Seriously? It is not at all a secret that CA is an at-will state. Average salary was $146K. You entitled little bitches, grow up.
Even beginner coding pays well, and there are resources for it everywhere to learn from. It's easy for a company to assign you targeted homework for training as well, without having to formulate their own training regimen.
The problem of course is that we know those coders didn't really code so much as meditate on what the word code really meant and how they could convince the public to adopt the new definition.
American multinationals just fail to understand global employment law. Some bubblegum-and-kick-ass HNIC bangs the table and says fire 14% of everybody and his minions shout yessir right away sir.
Probably works fine in US but other countries have laws. In UK you can't just turn off people's computers and tell them they're gone, unless you want to get sued.
If you want to compare the US to "Europe" (which I am not in) then instead of random insults why not try getting a passport and going to other countries to see how things are done. "Differently" is what you will find. Nobody else copies your "at-will" or whatever you like to call it. You can fire people, but you better have a reason which will stand up in court.
"A new owner called Elon who doesn't like your face" will not cut it in the London twitter firings. Of course HR probably knew that and the firees will have been paid off not to sue.
Quite Right. Employment is a contract and therefore falls under contract law. The question to be considered is what does the employment contract state? What authority are you granted, privileges, and role has been accepted? What are the Terms and Conditions of employment. Every contract has this. There's much more and each State has it's own set of statutory laws for employment. The State grants permission to the corporation for doing business in the State.
Under contract law, the employment contract actually overrides Common Law and greatly curtails Constitutional Rights whenever in the company's environment. An employee is not afforded what an ordinary citizen has for rights before its government. A business is actually run under the precepts of Maritime law. It has the same operation structure as on a ship. Any deviation from this depends on the State's laws regarding employment.
If anyone wants to know what Mystery Babylon is, look no further than the corporate state. Explain to me, how corporations dictated vax☠xines to their employees when the corporation are not medically insured nor do they have qualified medical personnel. How did they breach the employment contract that no one signed or agreed to when they were originally hired? What did the Terms and Conditions say regarding this?
I don't believe anyone in UK was ever subject to a "no jab no job" edict. They came pretty close with putting the frighteners on the NHS and care home people but even there they bottled it at last minute.
I would be hesitant to conflate Twitter workers with the common man. Twitter is reported to have around 7,000 employees total. How many of that would be based in the UK? A few hundred, tops?
How hand-selected would these few hundred Twitter workers be? Selected for reasons more than just their software engineering skills (which in reality, was a fraction of Twitter's workforce overall)?
This secretive firing and wiping of computers is more akin to Trump's firing of FBI Director Comey, who learned he was fired from TV and immediately locked out of his Office and papers seized, than it does with say, a factory shutdown via Bain Capital.
Comey's method of dismissal was due to mitigating the damage/purging of incriminating evidence he could inflict. This is not out of line with Elon's insistence that the Twitter codebase be locked for the last 60 days.
I'm not celebrating this because I believe that all of these people were liberals (although they probably all were).
I'm celebrating this because it's a shift in how technology companies may be ran going forward.
Big tech companies now are full of bloat. The reason for this is simple: it is impossible to objectively rank a person's coding ability. Once a company gets big enough, managers lose the ability to hire and fire based on how they feel about a person, even if their feelings are "he is a bad programmer." They start to have to prove things; and this is incredibly difficult. Moreover, as a company gets bigger, the managerial roles stop being filled by actual engineers, and start being filled by career managers.
Have you ever been using a product from a big tech company and encountered an egregious glitch or bug and thought "god damn, how does a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees push an update with a bug this enormous and obvious"? This is why.
This is why shit doesn't work. This is why software is constantly getting slower and slower, even when you account for new features that take more processing power. This is why it's the norm nowadays for a major app on your phone to occasionally crash or break, or for your phone to overheat due to a memory leak in one of your apps.
I am confident that all of Twitter could be ran better than currently by a team of less than 10 actually effective people working typical 40 hour work weeks. That's everything on the tech side, from server management to new product development. Sure, marketing, legal, and sales are all needed departments, too, but how the hell do you need 7500 employees to run this basic company?
You don't. And having so many people only makes the company worse.
I'm not sure I can celebrate this. As much as I understand that many at Twitter probably were left wing assholes, I'm also sure that a lot of the employees there just wanted to earn money to pay their bills and feed their families.
Workers are not responsible for the actions of management.
Being a casualty of a layoff and currently looking for work, I can sympathize to a point. Mine happened without any warning. Last Friday in June, 14% of my company got laid off. It is very disorienting. On the other hand, the little birdies had PLENTY of warning. I saw one headline earlier where there apparently is a lawsuit forming that the layoffs are illegal and I had a flash of anger. Seriously? It is not at all a secret that CA is an at-will state. Average salary was $146K. You entitled little bitches, grow up.
$146k a year?
Looks like I've been in the wrong profession all my life :)
Even beginner coding pays well, and there are resources for it everywhere to learn from. It's easy for a company to assign you targeted homework for training as well, without having to formulate their own training regimen.
The problem of course is that we know those coders didn't really code so much as meditate on what the word code really meant and how they could convince the public to adopt the new definition.
$146k is only base salary in california.. the total comp was $250k
American multinationals just fail to understand global employment law. Some bubblegum-and-kick-ass HNIC bangs the table and says fire 14% of everybody and his minions shout yessir right away sir.
Probably works fine in US but other countries have laws. In UK you can't just turn off people's computers and tell them they're gone, unless you want to get sued.
"Probably works fine in US but other countries have laws."
So does the US, you eurocentric twit.
If you want to compare the US to "Europe" (which I am not in) then instead of random insults why not try getting a passport and going to other countries to see how things are done. "Differently" is what you will find. Nobody else copies your "at-will" or whatever you like to call it. You can fire people, but you better have a reason which will stand up in court.
"A new owner called Elon who doesn't like your face" will not cut it in the London twitter firings. Of course HR probably knew that and the firees will have been paid off not to sue.
Quite Right. Employment is a contract and therefore falls under contract law. The question to be considered is what does the employment contract state? What authority are you granted, privileges, and role has been accepted? What are the Terms and Conditions of employment. Every contract has this. There's much more and each State has it's own set of statutory laws for employment. The State grants permission to the corporation for doing business in the State.
Under contract law, the employment contract actually overrides Common Law and greatly curtails Constitutional Rights whenever in the company's environment. An employee is not afforded what an ordinary citizen has for rights before its government. A business is actually run under the precepts of Maritime law. It has the same operation structure as on a ship. Any deviation from this depends on the State's laws regarding employment.
If anyone wants to know what Mystery Babylon is, look no further than the corporate state. Explain to me, how corporations dictated vax☠xines to their employees when the corporation are not medically insured nor do they have qualified medical personnel. How did they breach the employment contract that no one signed or agreed to when they were originally hired? What did the Terms and Conditions say regarding this?
At will employment makes most of everything moot. Especially since I'm pretty sure they got a severance which also eases any legal issues.
I don't believe anyone in UK was ever subject to a "no jab no job" edict. They came pretty close with putting the frighteners on the NHS and care home people but even there they bottled it at last minute.
Just following orders is not an excuse.
gotta feed those baby brit bots!
what would you be prepared to do in order to provide for your family or is that a responsibility you've never had?
I would be hesitant to conflate Twitter workers with the common man. Twitter is reported to have around 7,000 employees total. How many of that would be based in the UK? A few hundred, tops?
How hand-selected would these few hundred Twitter workers be? Selected for reasons more than just their software engineering skills (which in reality, was a fraction of Twitter's workforce overall)?
This secretive firing and wiping of computers is more akin to Trump's firing of FBI Director Comey, who learned he was fired from TV and immediately locked out of his Office and papers seized, than it does with say, a factory shutdown via Bain Capital.
Comey's method of dismissal was due to mitigating the damage/purging of incriminating evidence he could inflict. This is not out of line with Elon's insistence that the Twitter codebase be locked for the last 60 days.
I would be willing to hang birds by the neck until they rot then feed it to the family with a side of blood pudding. Prolly just unplug the bots.
Get a job for one thing.
Ok?
They should have easily seen this coming, had their job skills up to date, and resumes out.
I'm not celebrating this because I believe that all of these people were liberals (although they probably all were).
I'm celebrating this because it's a shift in how technology companies may be ran going forward.
Big tech companies now are full of bloat. The reason for this is simple: it is impossible to objectively rank a person's coding ability. Once a company gets big enough, managers lose the ability to hire and fire based on how they feel about a person, even if their feelings are "he is a bad programmer." They start to have to prove things; and this is incredibly difficult. Moreover, as a company gets bigger, the managerial roles stop being filled by actual engineers, and start being filled by career managers.
Have you ever been using a product from a big tech company and encountered an egregious glitch or bug and thought "god damn, how does a multi-billion dollar company with thousands of employees push an update with a bug this enormous and obvious"? This is why.
This is why shit doesn't work. This is why software is constantly getting slower and slower, even when you account for new features that take more processing power. This is why it's the norm nowadays for a major app on your phone to occasionally crash or break, or for your phone to overheat due to a memory leak in one of your apps.
I am confident that all of Twitter could be ran better than currently by a team of less than 10 actually effective people working typical 40 hour work weeks. That's everything on the tech side, from server management to new product development. Sure, marketing, legal, and sales are all needed departments, too, but how the hell do you need 7500 employees to run this basic company?
You don't. And having so many people only makes the company worse.