I've had a few of these patients. This is a personality disorder. This behavior is for one reason, and one reason only - to get attention. Sincerely, former psych RN
I know about this abuse since I used to work in a State Psychiatric Institution back in the 80's as a Speech Pathologiest. I was not working there when the institutions were closed but heard the patients were released to the streets. And that was just as bad for many of the patients I saw who were there for so long. (One I worked with and her sister were both there for schizophrenia most likely bc as young children they were used to entertain their father's friends. ( He was a distinctive lawyer in the state). I can't imagine the one I worked with being able to mange living on the streets at all. She would have not lasted a week.
You are right about the abuse. I saw it and had to counter it when I was on a wing and a patient was tied to four posts of the bed naked for acting up in a shower. I was shocked anyone would be treated that way. The least the staff could have done was cover her with a blanket! I had to find a blanket myself and cover her. The patient thanked me. I reported staff on ward to upper management but probably to no avail,
Unfortunately, abuse is rampant in institutions of all kinds (nursing homes and even day care centers come to mind) when families are not involved. I have also worked in these, but the abuse is more likely from one individual than the whole.
I have also worked in good nursing homes where the patients are treated like family. Sometimes a good nursing home may have one wing that is bad bc the head nurse is not very good.
There is NO good solution when people are evil and do not have any morals.
When people bring this up, I respond by saying "ok, that was over half a century ago. Apparently, it didn't work out so well. What is our excuse?"
I say "our" on purpose. First, because it is true - we are part of a community - and second, it takes away the wiggle room to play smug. No, you don't get a pass on this where you get to wag your fingers without at least offering solutions.
Yes, you did. I was too quick in my writing my response. For that, I apologize. (I live in CA and I have heard the Reagan's fault argument for years which gets on my nerves, so I was reacting to your initial point; forgive my pre-coffee typing.)
As far as a solution, you are right, in that it is not an easy one. I do think institutions of some sort need to be brought back onto play, but rather than turning it over to the state completely, the family needs to have some oversight and 'skin in the game'. In part, because we need to acknowledge and respect that individual families may not have the resources, either financially and/or emotionally to deal with these difficulties, but that does not mean they should surrender their power to advocate on behalf of their loved one.
No, they may not hold ABC degree, but the person holding ABC degree doesn't know the person. On the other hand, there are also a number of people who are willing to dump their family member and wipe their hands of responsibility which is wrong.
I read something yesterday that the problem with public health is they tend to view problems and solutions from the lens of populations and overlook the fact that populations are made up of individuals. I think this is where a lot of the problems we currently have stem from. I would like to see a joint partnership where power AND responsibility are shared. Checks and balances, so to speak.
Would this work? I think it would take some tweaking, but I don't see how it can be worse than what we have now. I would also want to see a definition of success. And a willingness to say if success is not met, we revisit; we don't constantly try to put the square peg in the round hole and say the reason it is not working is there just isn't enough funding.
These people have some 'severe' mental problems. Probably a Momma's boy. That is....a Liberal Momma's boy. Should put a foot in his behind and wake his fat behind up.
Did you see on the news where that older lady bus driver had had enough of one smart aleck boy on the bus. She told him she would put her foot up his A## until it dangled out his nose. Now the other bus drivers have made a tee-shirt with a school bus and that saying on the front. Yea for that lady.
Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1967, all but ending the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will. When deinstitutionalization began 50 years ago, California mistakenly relied on community treatment facilities, which were never built.https://dailyjustnow.com/en/what-president-closed-mental-institutions-52856/
So he allowed each state to determine how they were going to handle mental health patients? If there was abuse in institutions, FIX IT. He said people could live at home and go to outpatient facilities? They don't HAVE a home and they WON'T GO to outpatient facilities.
I remember when Reagan was president. It FELT like everything was going to Hell because it was. I lived it. Work went from working hard and feeling satisfaction to feeling like you got hit by a train and hating your job. He doesn't get a pass from me.
These type of people have a mental illness, they need help from qualified sources, we can not do anything for them and to go along with them and their delusional world is bad for us and worse for them.
I do not have a psychology degree and am not in the field, but I do know mental disorders when I see them.
The mental health industry is largely just another scam of the cabal these days. Take the crazy in, charge out the arse, boot them out when the money stops. They got shelter and food for the duration and that's about it. You can't cure crazy.
Being a bus rider, I see the crazy homeless on the bus and on the street, many are quite dangerous.
Cut off his federal funding and I bet he would grow up real quick.
Sorry, off topic.
IMHO the problem started when the mental health system started playing "pretend" with the patient. And why play along with the patient? Therapy. Therapy never ends. Continuous income. Where do you think big pharma learned about refills and chemotherapy that doesn't work?
Edit: Yes the asylums need to be reopened to repair the people the shrinks damaged but the mental health protocol must be repaired also.
Florida had a us Assistant attorney John Atkinson, who was actually murdered.
They said he was caught soliciting sex from a five-year-old over the internet and when he flew to Michigan for the sex he was arrested. He was put under suicide watch and found hanged in his prison cell.
We learned he was not a pedophile but they used that so no one would care when he was found dead.
They picked him up in Michigan when he was on his own, on his way to his own type of kink sex. He was a member of the baby diaper lovers club! I was working on this stuff in 2005 and this happened in 2007.
I never heard of adult babies and was given links to look. There are websites that sell adult size rubber pants diapers pins bonnets and rattles. They like to have their diapers changed when they pee in them etc. Very sick and kinky. Disappointed attorneys are chosen for anything horrible they can dig up on them. The kink sex is how they control them.
They say they are hurting children when they kill them and don't want you to care.
So yes it goes beyond the picture of this one guy!
In 1980, under Jimmy Carter, the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 was passed. This bill provided federal grants to local community mental health centers. One year later, the 96th Congress, with a Democratic majority in both houses, repealed the act.
Reagan signed the repeal, which was placed on his desk by Congress, but he was merely following the wishes of the elected representatives of his constituents.
Reagan agreed with the majority of the Democrats that it was better to allow the states to retain control of funding and operations in mental health institutions.
What Reagan did do, as governor of California, was to sign the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1972. That bipartisan legislation made mandatory institutionalization of mental health patients by family members and civil courts illegal. That way a bad judge or vindictive relative couldn’t have you locked up indefinitely at a state hospital.
The result of that humanitarian legislation was that populations in state hospitals dropped, but Reagan didn’t directly oversee, direct or cause any hospital closures.
The majority of mental hospitals in California were actually closed in the late 1990s, when Pete Wilson formed a task force to examine state hospital operations. The task force found that the populations of many state hospitals had dropped dramatically and the per-capita costs had skyrocketed to $114,000 per year.
This led to closures of several facilities, including Camarillo State Hospital.
So while Mr. Kahn may ask residents to stop demonizing homeless people, I would in turn ask him to stop demonizing Ronald Reagan.
I've had a few of these patients. This is a personality disorder. This behavior is for one reason, and one reason only - to get attention. Sincerely, former psych RN
I know about this abuse since I used to work in a State Psychiatric Institution back in the 80's as a Speech Pathologiest. I was not working there when the institutions were closed but heard the patients were released to the streets. And that was just as bad for many of the patients I saw who were there for so long. (One I worked with and her sister were both there for schizophrenia most likely bc as young children they were used to entertain their father's friends. ( He was a distinctive lawyer in the state). I can't imagine the one I worked with being able to mange living on the streets at all. She would have not lasted a week.
You are right about the abuse. I saw it and had to counter it when I was on a wing and a patient was tied to four posts of the bed naked for acting up in a shower. I was shocked anyone would be treated that way. The least the staff could have done was cover her with a blanket! I had to find a blanket myself and cover her. The patient thanked me. I reported staff on ward to upper management but probably to no avail,
Unfortunately, abuse is rampant in institutions of all kinds (nursing homes and even day care centers come to mind) when families are not involved. I have also worked in these, but the abuse is more likely from one individual than the whole.
I have also worked in good nursing homes where the patients are treated like family. Sometimes a good nursing home may have one wing that is bad bc the head nurse is not very good.
There is NO good solution when people are evil and do not have any morals.
You are right. Reagan simply gave the responsibility and funding to the states and they took the money and closed the institutions.
So much for the local social workers the Left is always saying they want to use to replace cops.
When people bring this up, I respond by saying "ok, that was over half a century ago. Apparently, it didn't work out so well. What is our excuse?"
I say "our" on purpose. First, because it is true - we are part of a community - and second, it takes away the wiggle room to play smug. No, you don't get a pass on this where you get to wag your fingers without at least offering solutions.
Yes, you did. I was too quick in my writing my response. For that, I apologize. (I live in CA and I have heard the Reagan's fault argument for years which gets on my nerves, so I was reacting to your initial point; forgive my pre-coffee typing.)
As far as a solution, you are right, in that it is not an easy one. I do think institutions of some sort need to be brought back onto play, but rather than turning it over to the state completely, the family needs to have some oversight and 'skin in the game'. In part, because we need to acknowledge and respect that individual families may not have the resources, either financially and/or emotionally to deal with these difficulties, but that does not mean they should surrender their power to advocate on behalf of their loved one. No, they may not hold ABC degree, but the person holding ABC degree doesn't know the person. On the other hand, there are also a number of people who are willing to dump their family member and wipe their hands of responsibility which is wrong.
I read something yesterday that the problem with public health is they tend to view problems and solutions from the lens of populations and overlook the fact that populations are made up of individuals. I think this is where a lot of the problems we currently have stem from. I would like to see a joint partnership where power AND responsibility are shared. Checks and balances, so to speak.
Would this work? I think it would take some tweaking, but I don't see how it can be worse than what we have now. I would also want to see a definition of success. And a willingness to say if success is not met, we revisit; we don't constantly try to put the square peg in the round hole and say the reason it is not working is there just isn't enough funding.
These people have some 'severe' mental problems. Probably a Momma's boy. That is....a Liberal Momma's boy. Should put a foot in his behind and wake his fat behind up.
That foot might disappear in that fat ass
Did you see on the news where that older lady bus driver had had enough of one smart aleck boy on the bus. She told him she would put her foot up his A## until it dangled out his nose. Now the other bus drivers have made a tee-shirt with a school bus and that saying on the front. Yea for that lady.
It wasn't you was it?
No. I don't drive a school bus even if I keep the kids that can pack one.
and dangle out his nose. kek
What the fuck is that?!?!?
That will be the new HHS Assistant to Rear Admiral Levine.
Reagan signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1967, all but ending the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will. When deinstitutionalization began 50 years ago, California mistakenly relied on community treatment facilities, which were never built. https://dailyjustnow.com/en/what-president-closed-mental-institutions-52856/
Ronald Reagan's shameful legacy: Violence, the homeless, mental illness https://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
President Reagan on Mental Health Crises 1986-PART 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9UdthvnmD8
President Reagan on Mental Health Crises 1986-part2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DK12kX37R8
Ronald Reagan: A Rockefeller Asset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NmeMW1Hck
Photos:
►https://images4.persgroep.net/rcs/3eudU7SPjoFvgSTPevSuNHkSldU/diocontent/112773605/_crop/0/0/1580/1102/_fitwidth/763?appId=93a17a8fd81db0de025c8abd1cca1279&quality=0.8
► https://s.hdnux.com/photos/57/77/54/12581636/3/1200x0.jpg
► https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C0NmeMW1Hck/hqdefault.jpg
► https://www.as-coa.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_hero_1026x576/public/field/image/GeorgeLandau_RonaldReagan_DavidRockefeller.jpg?h=46fe20cd&itok=UHY-6hBP
► https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/washington-dc-president-reagan-wears-medal-presented-to-him-after-his-picture-id515322658?s=612x612
So he allowed each state to determine how they were going to handle mental health patients? If there was abuse in institutions, FIX IT. He said people could live at home and go to outpatient facilities? They don't HAVE a home and they WON'T GO to outpatient facilities.
I remember when Reagan was president. It FELT like everything was going to Hell because it was. I lived it. Work went from working hard and feeling satisfaction to feeling like you got hit by a train and hating your job. He doesn't get a pass from me.
Agree
This would make a fantastic meme series!
Screen cap various displays of trans mental illness, then use text to ask if guns are really the problem.
We need to carpet bomb these things everywhere!
I second this!
u/#ummwhat
I wonder if these are abused people trying to start again.
Sometimes I think about one or other time in my childhood or adolescence and think how I could handle it better if I did it again. But then it passes.
Perhaps these people are deeply traumatised so can't stop thinking about overwriting their youth with a better version.
These type of people have a mental illness, they need help from qualified sources, we can not do anything for them and to go along with them and their delusional world is bad for us and worse for them. I do not have a psychology degree and am not in the field, but I do know mental disorders when I see them.
No. These are the people chosen to be leaders in the appointed positions.
The mental health industry is largely just another scam of the cabal these days. Take the crazy in, charge out the arse, boot them out when the money stops. They got shelter and food for the duration and that's about it. You can't cure crazy.
Being a bus rider, I see the crazy homeless on the bus and on the street, many are quite dangerous.
Gerardo shut the mental institutions with his over the top expose in the 70's.
Cut off his federal funding and I bet he would grow up real quick. Sorry, off topic. IMHO the problem started when the mental health system started playing "pretend" with the patient. And why play along with the patient? Therapy. Therapy never ends. Continuous income. Where do you think big pharma learned about refills and chemotherapy that doesn't work? Edit: Yes the asylums need to be reopened to repair the people the shrinks damaged but the mental health protocol must be repaired also.
Tell people what you want, eh? What I want is to see you on a chain gang where you break rocks all day long. No diapers, either.
These sickos live in a fantasy world and most likely are collecting taxpayer dollars for mental disabilities.
Hmmm, did Reagan close the institutions or was there a shadow hand in the background that had him under duress? 🤔
When did the assassination attempt take place? Wasn’t Hinkley Jr’s dad GHWB’s biggest donor?
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Save that shit for the third date, like a normal person! Office Christmas Party
Florida had a us Assistant attorney John Atkinson, who was actually murdered.
They said he was caught soliciting sex from a five-year-old over the internet and when he flew to Michigan for the sex he was arrested. He was put under suicide watch and found hanged in his prison cell.
We learned he was not a pedophile but they used that so no one would care when he was found dead.
They picked him up in Michigan when he was on his own, on his way to his own type of kink sex. He was a member of the baby diaper lovers club! I was working on this stuff in 2005 and this happened in 2007.
I never heard of adult babies and was given links to look. There are websites that sell adult size rubber pants diapers pins bonnets and rattles. They like to have their diapers changed when they pee in them etc. Very sick and kinky. Disappointed attorneys are chosen for anything horrible they can dig up on them. The kink sex is how they control them.
They say they are hurting children when they kill them and don't want you to care.
So yes it goes beyond the picture of this one guy!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Atchison
oh barf 🤮 I did not know that
In 1980, under Jimmy Carter, the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 was passed. This bill provided federal grants to local community mental health centers. One year later, the 96th Congress, with a Democratic majority in both houses, repealed the act.
Reagan signed the repeal, which was placed on his desk by Congress, but he was merely following the wishes of the elected representatives of his constituents.
Reagan agreed with the majority of the Democrats that it was better to allow the states to retain control of funding and operations in mental health institutions.
What Reagan did do, as governor of California, was to sign the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1972. That bipartisan legislation made mandatory institutionalization of mental health patients by family members and civil courts illegal. That way a bad judge or vindictive relative couldn’t have you locked up indefinitely at a state hospital.
The result of that humanitarian legislation was that populations in state hospitals dropped, but Reagan didn’t directly oversee, direct or cause any hospital closures.
The majority of mental hospitals in California were actually closed in the late 1990s, when Pete Wilson formed a task force to examine state hospital operations. The task force found that the populations of many state hospitals had dropped dramatically and the per-capita costs had skyrocketed to $114,000 per year.
This led to closures of several facilities, including Camarillo State Hospital.
So while Mr. Kahn may ask residents to stop demonizing homeless people, I would in turn ask him to stop demonizing Ronald Reagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGg_7OhyGCM
found the original