The other problem with the Vostok Ice Core data is that it shows that warming happens before the CO2 increase. That implies that it is not the change in CO2 that causes the warming but the warming causes the CO2 increase.
The mechanism is probably the fact that warm water can absorb less CO2 then cold water. Consequently, as the atmosphere warms it will drive the CO2 out of the oceans and into the atmosphere.
Well said!! You are exactly right, cold water can absorb much more CO2 and as temperature rises the CO2 will escape the liquid. The Vostok Ice Core data is the proof that the academe conveniently ignore to maintain the lie or narrative that fossil fuel use is causing global warming.
Its about controlling us in everyway possible. The DS want everyone on electricity for everything. Its easier to just turn off a switch to paralyze society into compliance if they don't conform. The globalist cabal that control our governments will ban gas stoves then natural gas or oil furnaces, gasoline and diesel vehicles etc, until all transportation and utilities are electric which is impossible to ever attain. When electric vehicles can't be charged when the power grid goes down it will be impossible to get a can of kilowatts to recharge those vehicles resulting in no escape. Fossil fuels on the other hand, provide flexibility and much more reliablity in times of crisis because you can store them in large amounts almost anywhere for use when the time comes.
Well, I am not a scientist but I have looked at some of the science which is more than some of the people running or involved with some environmental organisations seem to have done.
Current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are just over 400ppm. It has been over 7,000ppm in the remote past - and we are still here! The effects of CO2 are not linear so if an increase to 800ppm will give a 2°C temperature increse then we will need to increase to 1,600ppm for the next 2°C increase. Conversely, a decrease to 200ppm could be catastrophic as that is around the absolute minimum level for plant life and without plants we all die.
NASA says that the current CO2 increase has caused a greening of an area equal to twice that of the continental USA. That sounds good to me.
Then we need to consider what is causing the most warming. That is not CO2 but water. H2O is also a greenhouse gas and living on an "ocean planet" means that will be difficult to escape. Some scientists have suggested that water actually provided a third of the warming increase in the 1990s.
NASA also said: Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change. Basically, water provides most of the warming but the climate zealots have played it down. The total effect is much larger than that of CO2 but by considering only changes in H2O levels they can play it down.
Then we come to CO2. Most of it is quite natural. Man-made CO2 is a bit player in all this and as we need to double the current amounts for a 2°C temperature rise the chances of achieving that with industrial output is quite remote. I expect that natural variations in both CO2 and H2O are swamping any man-made CO2 changes but we rely on computer models and I seem to recall that Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London has produced not only the scary climate models but also the scary COVID-19 models. Interesting connection!
Eventually, I keep coming back to the ice core data. It shows that warming increases CO2. If you shoot someone and they fall down, it is not sensible to argue that if only more people were to fall down it would increase the number of gunshots.
99 percent of the atmosphere is Nitrogen and Oxygen with Nitrogen making up 80 to 90 percent of that. All the N2 keeps the Oxygen from Exploding. which is why the Russians use natural atmosphere in their space vehicles. all the other gases combined make up the last 1 percent. CO2 is a pittance of the Atmosphere. If we want to stop CO2 build-up put all the ship traffic back into large sailing ships. there are 15 huge ships that can not go thru the Panama canal that together create more CO2 than all the Cars in the world. but doing that would be "less profitable".
I always suspected that this man made climate change was a hoax to control humans and take their money. Some years ago, I learned that most greenhouse tomato producers had to add CO2 by burning wood or hay. Otherwise they could not produce quality tomatoes.
Totally agree. NWO with their toxic SRM Stratospheric Injection programs have dimmed the sun to cool the planet as you point out to 14.46C (58F) average temperature which is messing with the weather. Western governments are all in on it and deny their chemtrail programs exist. We as citizens have never authorized these insane programs. We no longer see clear blue skies anymore, only hazzy skies. The sun creates the ozone that protects us from harmful UVA and UVB radiation and by dimming the sun these NWO devils are destroying the ozone. In this respect we can only guess as to their insane end game.
Possibly something like that. The Annunaki as Zacharia Sitchin wrote about from the Sumerian clay tablets that are over 6000 years old, they are not our friends. Something is definitely coming.
I have read that globalist cavemen investigated the temperature increase and realized the global warming was based on their carbon footprint and enforced ALL cavemen to build smaller campfires.
There's evidence that temperature is dictated by CLOUDS created by the sun and solar activity.. When solar activity is high, subatomic particles (cosmic rays) collide with water vapor rising from water sources (like the sea), this causes clouds to be formed, and clouds create a cooling effect on the earth.
Perhaps someone can help me - as the ice has been melting & more ice adding over the years how can anyone tell age by ice cores? Tree rings I can get but melting and thawing ice?
Glaciers are permanent ice sheets. They form in layers. Naturally, the oldest layers are at the bottom, while the layers on top are from more recent years. As you said, glaciers do melt. They melt from the bottom under pressure which creates a slick surface for the glaciers to slide. The key thing about glaciers is that they slide due to gravity towards the sea just like rivers and when they lose mass, they lose it by calving off icebergs. Also, as you said, we can look at glaciers on major mountain ranges and see them shrink and expand. They can melt entirely.
If you look at the papers where they talk about using ice cores for paleoclimate studies, you'll see they focus on two sets of ice cores: ice cores from Vostok, Antarctica representing the eastern Antarctica ice sheet as it lies over a frozen lake there, and from Greenland near Thule Air Force Base. The reason scientists use the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets is that they're so cold, they don't melt in the summer. They do flow and calve at the edges, but they don't melt top down. They're highly stable. The annual layers are preserved by the sheer cold of where they're at on the planet and thus can be used for this kind of study.
The age of the various layers is verified experimentally by looking at isotope ratios of the various gasses which have known rates of decay. It's not just a matter of counting layers and hoping we count accurately and that a hot season didn't melt off a bunch of layers. The Antarctic ice is thicker which gives us a longer record, about 800,000 years whereas we get about 400,000 out of the Greenland data.
By contrast, if you used Alpine glacier from Italy, you might only get a few hundred years in some places.
The other problem with the Vostok Ice Core data is that it shows that warming happens before the CO2 increase. That implies that it is not the change in CO2 that causes the warming but the warming causes the CO2 increase.
The mechanism is probably the fact that warm water can absorb less CO2 then cold water. Consequently, as the atmosphere warms it will drive the CO2 out of the oceans and into the atmosphere.
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That's very easy for you to say.
Well said!! You are exactly right, cold water can absorb much more CO2 and as temperature rises the CO2 will escape the liquid. The Vostok Ice Core data is the proof that the academe conveniently ignore to maintain the lie or narrative that fossil fuel use is causing global warming.
Its about controlling us in everyway possible. The DS want everyone on electricity for everything. Its easier to just turn off a switch to paralyze society into compliance if they don't conform. The globalist cabal that control our governments will ban gas stoves then natural gas or oil furnaces, gasoline and diesel vehicles etc, until all transportation and utilities are electric which is impossible to ever attain. When electric vehicles can't be charged when the power grid goes down it will be impossible to get a can of kilowatts to recharge those vehicles resulting in no escape. Fossil fuels on the other hand, provide flexibility and much more reliablity in times of crisis because you can store them in large amounts almost anywhere for use when the time comes.
Well, I am not a scientist but I have looked at some of the science which is more than some of the people running or involved with some environmental organisations seem to have done.
Current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are just over 400ppm. It has been over 7,000ppm in the remote past - and we are still here! The effects of CO2 are not linear so if an increase to 800ppm will give a 2°C temperature increse then we will need to increase to 1,600ppm for the next 2°C increase. Conversely, a decrease to 200ppm could be catastrophic as that is around the absolute minimum level for plant life and without plants we all die.
NASA says that the current CO2 increase has caused a greening of an area equal to twice that of the continental USA. That sounds good to me.
Then we need to consider what is causing the most warming. That is not CO2 but water. H2O is also a greenhouse gas and living on an "ocean planet" means that will be difficult to escape. Some scientists have suggested that water actually provided a third of the warming increase in the 1990s.
NASA also said: Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change. Basically, water provides most of the warming but the climate zealots have played it down. The total effect is much larger than that of CO2 but by considering only changes in H2O levels they can play it down.
Then we come to CO2. Most of it is quite natural. Man-made CO2 is a bit player in all this and as we need to double the current amounts for a 2°C temperature rise the chances of achieving that with industrial output is quite remote. I expect that natural variations in both CO2 and H2O are swamping any man-made CO2 changes but we rely on computer models and I seem to recall that Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London has produced not only the scary climate models but also the scary COVID-19 models. Interesting connection!
Eventually, I keep coming back to the ice core data. It shows that warming increases CO2. If you shoot someone and they fall down, it is not sensible to argue that if only more people were to fall down it would increase the number of gunshots.
99 percent of the atmosphere is Nitrogen and Oxygen with Nitrogen making up 80 to 90 percent of that. All the N2 keeps the Oxygen from Exploding. which is why the Russians use natural atmosphere in their space vehicles. all the other gases combined make up the last 1 percent. CO2 is a pittance of the Atmosphere. If we want to stop CO2 build-up put all the ship traffic back into large sailing ships. there are 15 huge ships that can not go thru the Panama canal that together create more CO2 than all the Cars in the world. but doing that would be "less profitable".
No, the effect drives the cause! You need to spend a few more years in a government indoctrination university!
"as the atmosphere warms it will drive the CO2 out of the oceans and into the atmosphere." Plants love it!
True. According to NASA, an area of twice that of CONUS has greened as a result.
Ice cores are racist!
No damn it. They are transphobic.
I always suspected that this man made climate change was a hoax to control humans and take their money. Some years ago, I learned that most greenhouse tomato producers had to add CO2 by burning wood or hay. Otherwise they could not produce quality tomatoes.
That's when I knew it was all a hoax.
Totally agree. NWO with their toxic SRM Stratospheric Injection programs have dimmed the sun to cool the planet as you point out to 14.46C (58F) average temperature which is messing with the weather. Western governments are all in on it and deny their chemtrail programs exist. We as citizens have never authorized these insane programs. We no longer see clear blue skies anymore, only hazzy skies. The sun creates the ozone that protects us from harmful UVA and UVB radiation and by dimming the sun these NWO devils are destroying the ozone. In this respect we can only guess as to their insane end game.
Terraforming for their alien god
Possibly something like that. The Annunaki as Zacharia Sitchin wrote about from the Sumerian clay tablets that are over 6000 years old, they are not our friends. Something is definitely coming.
I have read that globalist cavemen investigated the temperature increase and realized the global warming was based on their carbon footprint and enforced ALL cavemen to build smaller campfires.
I sure hope you are not suggesting that we (gasp) follow the science
Antarctica used to be a forest
Go to @28:24 of this video, or watch the whole thing. Best climate change documentary.
https://rumble.com/vwihgz-the-great-global-warming-swindle-full-documentary.html
There's evidence that temperature is dictated by CLOUDS created by the sun and solar activity.. When solar activity is high, subatomic particles (cosmic rays) collide with water vapor rising from water sources (like the sea), this causes clouds to be formed, and clouds create a cooling effect on the earth.
Perhaps someone can help me - as the ice has been melting & more ice adding over the years how can anyone tell age by ice cores? Tree rings I can get but melting and thawing ice?
I don’t believe they are able to tell time by looking at ice. I think it’s all a hoax. I think they are full of shit.
Glaciers are permanent ice sheets. They form in layers. Naturally, the oldest layers are at the bottom, while the layers on top are from more recent years. As you said, glaciers do melt. They melt from the bottom under pressure which creates a slick surface for the glaciers to slide. The key thing about glaciers is that they slide due to gravity towards the sea just like rivers and when they lose mass, they lose it by calving off icebergs. Also, as you said, we can look at glaciers on major mountain ranges and see them shrink and expand. They can melt entirely.
If you look at the papers where they talk about using ice cores for paleoclimate studies, you'll see they focus on two sets of ice cores: ice cores from Vostok, Antarctica representing the eastern Antarctica ice sheet as it lies over a frozen lake there, and from Greenland near Thule Air Force Base. The reason scientists use the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets is that they're so cold, they don't melt in the summer. They do flow and calve at the edges, but they don't melt top down. They're highly stable. The annual layers are preserved by the sheer cold of where they're at on the planet and thus can be used for this kind of study.
The age of the various layers is verified experimentally by looking at isotope ratios of the various gasses which have known rates of decay. It's not just a matter of counting layers and hoping we count accurately and that a hot season didn't melt off a bunch of layers. The Antarctic ice is thicker which gives us a longer record, about 800,000 years whereas we get about 400,000 out of the Greenland data. By contrast, if you used Alpine glacier from Italy, you might only get a few hundred years in some places.