Patriot missiles shot Down 6 hypersonic missiles?? Really?
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Would like some commentary on Ukraine shooting Down not one hypersonic missile but six!! Is the patriot system capable of doing this or is this just hyperbole propaganda? Me thinks this was just a plan by Russia to get Ukraine to use up as many Patriot missiles as possible. Then get a line on where to target to take out the patriot system. Thoughts?
It's the Ghost of Kiev. He's shooting the missiles of the past, present and future.
"I will break them." -Samuyil Hyde, 2023
He cant keep getting away with it
Well if Russia just announced that they have air superiority over ALL of Ukraine…I think we know what happened to our Patriot Missiles.
Ukraine launched 20-30 missiles I hear that’s a whole year’s worth of production here in the US. Not easy to replace. Looks like the Russians got their money’s worth.
Shot down 6 hypersonic missiles that are impossible to shoot down? WTF, is this a Steven Seagal movie? Look up spaceice on YouTube and you will get it.
I love the spaceice reviews. Too fuckin funny
"Well I guess we'll just see what we'll see, now won't we?"
To my understanding, Russia uses cheaper slower moving missiles to get the Ukrainian Air Defense to fire, revealing it's location. Russia then uses its hypersonics to eliminate those targets - if required, they are very expensive after all. This is why we often hear about 70+ missiles being fired at a time whenever Russia attacks western Ukraine.
Western media is claiming a win for Ukraine shooting down 6 hypersonics, when it's pretty likely to be a slower, cheaper diversion missile. That being said, it is "war" so no one knows what is TRULY going on there.
Good analogy thanks
Hypersonic is anything over Mach 5. A scud missile flies at Mach 5. Patriot missiles have intercepted scuds. I don't know what the probability is, but it's not impossible.
Do u know what the speed of the Kinsi (sp) Russian missile is supposed to be? I had heard a comment that it was closer to 10x speed of sound.
Yeah, the Kinzhal missile reaches Mach 10. Bear in mind that the US has intercepted an ICBM which travels at Mach 18-25 with a SM-3 Block IIA guided missile that reaches Mach 8.8. I still say a PAC-3 can down a Kinzhal.
Kinzhals go very high then drop like a dagger. I am not doubting you but their path is different to an ICBM
I suppose it’s how the trajectory is coming in high and straight down would be easier to hit than more parallel to the ground ??
Yeah right! The news I heard was that our Patriot missiles were destroyed the minute they arrived in Ukraine.
I saw video of the missiles being launched so not all.
Well this is what a US General with information about Ukraine has to say:
https://youtu.be/_LmXouVk1AE
So the retired colonel states you can't shoot down a ICBM or a hypersonic missile?
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/11/17/us-navy-destroyer-shoots-down-an-icbm-in-milestone-test/
Not my words, his. Besides, the MDA can probably shoot down a single ICBM under test conditions but can the same system shoot down multiple reentry vehicles (MRV’s) that most ICBM’s are equipped with today?
I watched the video so I knew whose words they were. MacGregor said "we can't shoot down an ICBM", and I simply disagreed by pointing out we did it 3 years ago.
Understood. And I’ve read that article where the MDA has shot down an ICBM. But again, those were under test conditions and not and ICBM with MRV’s. My point is that this is most likely pro Ukraine propaganda. Could they have shot down some Russian hypersonic missiles? Sure. But this reeks of propaganda IMO. Ukraine has essentially lost this war. But the DC/cabal wants it to continue regardless of what happens to the Ukrainian people because it was their “playground” where they could launder money and create bioweapons. If Ukraine were to capitulate now, all this crap would be made public.
Not with any land-based systems. The best we can do is with the THAAD system, which is good against IRBMs, and is comparable to Standard 3 (which cannot intercept ICBMs). Fully-fledged ICBMs have terminal velocities closer to Mach 25. (The first half of my career was working strategic defense. The Standard 3 kinetic kill warhead is a derivative of a concept first developed at Boeing in the early 1980s. The last ground-based anti-ICBM system was Safeguard, which was canceled in 1969.)
Goes against logic, A Russian Hypersonic missile traveling at 9.4 Mach or roughly around 7000MPH, id take bets that they couldn’t even shoot down one, let alone 6 LOL
Agreed, but what if the hypersonic missiles were aiming directly at the Patriot missile launchers?
You're firing them AT each other so the intercepting missile can be moving slower than the faster target missile and still hit it.
the Russian Hypersonic missiles have an unpredictable flight path which makes it even more difficult to intercept, assuming that the missile had a direct path with no deterrent countermeasures you might be right, however target acquisition on a missile flying at nearly 7000mph with an unpredictable flight path would be extremely difficult to intercept, and in my mind most likely not be done with ease back to back 6 times in a row.
As the missile gets closer and closer to the target, it will have a reverse cone of evasion shrinking as it gets closer to the target in which it can operate while still being able to hit the target.
If the patriot missile system is intercepting at a late stage of the Russian missile's flight ( and since the targets may well be the patriot missile system), then it may increase the odds substantially that the patriot system could intercept the missile in some cases.
That said, I'm convinced the patriot missile system's combat effectiveness has been severely degraded or completely neutralized at this point in the conflict.
I’m definitely more open to the possibility after realizing that these Hypersonic missiles might be carried nearer to their target by a much slower rocket, if that’s the case I’d think it would shift into the realm of possibility
Side note: Great discussion on this subject guys, I’ve learned a lot
I agree with you. Can you hit a Kinzhal with a Patriot? I believe it's possible under the right conditions and you fire off a salvo of them. Is it practical to fire 30 Patriots for 1 or 2 hypersonic missiles? No.
Just to clarify, I, nor anyone else in this thread except for you said "back to back 6 times in a row". In another reply I stated, "it's not impossible". I'm aware the Kinzhal flies in a unpredictable manner, but I'm also aware that it flies normally until it gets closer to the target. If you fire a hypersonic missile over a Patriot battery you didn't know was there and it hadn't yet started flying evasively, you COULD POSSIBLY intercept that missile.
Watch a video of Patriot missiles in Saudi Arabia intercepting scuds. The US Army would fire of several missiles and one would strike a scud and the next Patriot would start turning wildly to orient itself to the next incoming scud. I was impressed with how hard they would turn at almost Mach 3 and those were the older and slower PAC-1's.
I know that Ukraine "supposedly" shot down a Kinzhal with a Patriot, but as for them shooting down 5 more, I haven't seen any evidence. I view it as propaganda similar to the Ghost of Kiev nonsense.
I’m definitely more open to the possibility after realizing that these Hypersonic missiles might be carried nearer to their target by a much slower rocket, if that’s the case I’d think it would shift into the realm of possibility
The Russians are launching them from Mig-31s and Tu-22s.
Oh yeah that’s right, duh I just watched a video about them last night. Brain fart, lol also saw the Hypersonics we tested in Virginia this past year, those were ground base systems
No. You are then trying to engage a target presenting a tiny radar cross-section, coming straight at you, at a closing speed of maybe Mach 15 in the lower atmosphere (maximum drag). How good are your reflexes? It would be miraculous if Patriot could engage one successfully. And fuze correctly.
That was my guess but trying to get real data. We have lots of researchers here that may know …
Something mach 4, hits something going mach 7…. This is kinda like that hotdog in a hallway analogy….
The relative velocity is Mach 11, like driving a motorcycle at 400 mph at another one going 700 mph headed for your garage, pointed at you like a spear, and you need eyesight and reflexes good enough to detonate your hand grenade at just the right instant as you go by. At these Mach numbers, a fuzing error of just a hundredth of a second would result in being too early or too late by 100 feet. This is NOT an easy problem.
Good point. Kind of like a sniper. After that first shot, your position becomes a defensive one. Still propaganda nonetheless
It's not impossible, but it's very unlikely.