The axiom stating, "The cover-up is often worse than than the crime itself" is very applicable to Lahaine, Maui. This is the path to exposing it all. Their actions to conceal and to censor the tragedy that occurred is the best way of exposing their crimes. We can see this by asking: Why is everything locked down? Why is a curtain being constructed around the burned out areas? Why is a no-fly zone imposed? Why is there no cell phone use? and why is there a declaration in the Lahaina area as being a restricted area? It appears instead of gathering other community help, this place has become secretive and they are bringing in foreign help. The following are the obvious things the public can acknowledge. So far, we have learned:
Fire prevention practices throughout the Lahaina area were purposely neglected and previously abandoned.
There appears to be evidence that fires in Maui were purposely set.
The water was turned off.
No fire fighting units were dispatched to prevent the fires from descending into the city.
The roads were blocked by the police preventing people from escaping in their vehicles when the conflagration rapidly approached.
Over a thousand people died as a result.
The cover-up has become blatantly obvious.
And Why won't the officials mention any word about all the missing children?
IMHO, I believe it is to keep people away from their properties and to keep independent investigations from revealing any facts of dereliction and crimes committed by the mayor and city officials, along with the governor. Then we have the ridiculous story told by the Lahaina Chief of Police, John Pelletier. IMHO, Pellletier statements are designed to justify the cover-up. I seem to recall him saying anyone in the burned out area could unwittingly step on an incinerated body that would destroy any semblance of the victim for identification. This is a crock of Bullsh**. Like many other people, I don't trust Pelletier. He seems to have a dark cloud of controversy follow him every place he is employed.
The narrative being cast by Pelletier is that of cremation. To incinerate means to burn and reduce to ashes. This does not happen to the bones of the victims that died in a conflagration. The human skeleton is composed mostly of carbonates and calcium phosphates and give bone its extraordinary strength and durability to survive the intense heat required for cremation when all other body tissues are destroyed. At approximately 1292 degrees Fahrenheit, calcium phosphates begin to fuse together and change in color of the bone. The bones are not destroyed in a cremation process. Debunking Pelletier's statement is knowing that a carbon fire never reaches the high temperatures of incinerating human bones. The cremation process leaves behind the bones and require pulverization. Modern crematoriums use a pulverizing machine that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender and is called cremulator.
What Nino Rodriguez and Juan O Savin are speculating on regarding DEWs being used will only receive the official response of 'conspiracy theory' and 'dangerous' misinformation. And more calls to censor the Internet. There is really no way of proving DEWs to the general public as long as the official government response is 'plausible deniability'. It is government's favorite tactic for discrediting anyone, any group that raises questions. Censorship and crackdowns become real possibilities of government to be used. I have no doubt that DEW technology exists and has been used. However, I also believe the government will attempt to discredit any forum that pushes the DEW conspiracy. To me it's a bit of a honey-pot for an entrapment scheme and is part of a multi-tier operation against the American public that is very similar to what was used against Alex Jones. This government is looking for the excuse to implement government defacto restrictions (censorship) across the Internet. We are witnessing this happening in other nations. They are looking for an opportunity to do it here in the US. I earlier provided information that the same tactic used in Lahaine, Maui was successfully deployed in discrediting the DEW conspiracy theory that went viral on the Internet regarding Paradise, CA. The officials put a lid on "misinformation" regarding the Paradise, CA conflagration. Did you know that Judy Wood, Ph.D. was discredited and her career was destroyed for her theory of DEWs being used on the WTC towers? She can't even sell her book and it is listed online."Where Did the Towers Go?".
I also have Dr. Judy Wood's book. Indeed, I have never disputed the existence and even use of DEWs on 9-11, Paradise, CA or in Lahaine, Maui. I'm just saying that focusing on it is the wrong message and promoting it is a public campaign loser. Historically, it can be shown from both 9-11 and Paradise, CA it has harmed the investigation of finding the culprits behind the crime. It's not how these tragedies were carried out, but recognizing it as a criminal act and who is responsible.
Once the terrain is digitized - the XY is known Lat/Lon, Z is displacement - a laser or other energy device, could be precisely calculated to operate in the "sweet spot" where the beam is perfectly focused for maximum energy transfer.
ALL lasers and energy devices are most effective near the center of their operating range. Lenses and beam shaping alter what is referred to as the "sweet spot" where the device is effectively operating in it's most efficient displacement range.
No different from an industrial laser, a "cut plan" could easily be calculated on a home PC, or even a phone. I do that on a daily basis...albeit on a smaller scale.
I hasten to add: with regard to the image of the LIDAR event, that event only spanned perhaps a second or so. Someone had to know in advance that it was going to occur to have filmed it. And then that person had to decide to publish the photo, so we could "remember" the event later, and speculate whether it was significant. Intelligence Community?
Hop on dustin Rhodes (WWE wrestler) twitter and go back a few weeks, he had a tweet from Maui that included 3 pictures, one of those pics shows a beam of light hitting the ground, and a rainbow/smoke
I posted it here two weeks ago and it was removed. I asked the mods why and never heard back....
This man videotaped two different cars that were incinerated just like the other cars, but far away from the wildfire. No other evidence of fire near them at all. I saved the links, but now the videos have been removed:
Ha! They're trying to suppress the evidence. I'm actually gobsmacked that there's evidence of a side lobe out there. They plainly don't want knowledgeably people encountering that evidence.
The people should tear down the black "dust" barriers. They're cleaning up a crime scene and staging it to fit their narrative. They'll probably throw thousands of matches around by the handful, lol.
The selectivity of lasers being set to spare things of certain colors ( in Maui, blue) and all the undamaged blue things (rooves, cars) is rather clear evidence to me.
pretty sure they mount this thing on the front of a jet with the stated purpose of " intercepting ICBMs " but it can totally be pointed at the ground and fired.
Not a credible proposal. No such satellites have been launched---and, if you think they have been, kindly provide the satellite designations, launch dates, and orbital parameters, particularly inclination and altitude. And proof that such satellites could be close enough (how close?) for long enough (how long?) in any mutual passage over Maui. Generally, for LEO satellites, you have only minutes to pass from horizon to horizon.
Phased arrays exist, but only as monolithic systems (one emitter). Two things are essential about phased arrays: a rigid and constant-dimensioned framework for the array elements, and a common, high-precision timebase. We do not have the technology to control these elements for two, independent arrays. The net result of current methods is that all you will get will be "side lobes."
Metal reflects microwaves, so in order to melt aluminum, you would have to scorch the rest of the island at maybe 40 watts/cm2, or 0.4 megawatt/meter2. And this would be a much larger spot than a square meter, because small target spots would require a large satellite aperture. So, the requirements for power and aperture are prohibitive,.
The video of the melted wheels is sheer ignorance and proves nothing about DEWs or side lobes. Similar effects have been observed at the California "Camp Fire" wildfire and the recent wildfire in Tennessee (I have posted the photos elsewhere on this site). At some point, you have to realize that is is a commonplace occurrence at wildfires.
I spent decades working on laser DEWs, and spent time on the AWACS program studying how to mount phased-array antennas on the airframe for a communications link. The more off-axis you point the beam, the less the intensity of the beam becomes. There is also the interesting and non-trivial problem of pointing the beam. At present, such beams are the mainstay of radar systems, which are all about pointing and detecting. In order to have a microwave DEW, it would have to be also an imaging radar system---which is very hard to implement, since the beamwidth would have to be as small as the desired observable resolution of the image. Back to big aperture again, and extreme precision on the timing of the wavefront phasing. Frankly, there is no way to show that you would be able to hit a discrete target, unless you simply wanted to flood-illuminate the target. It would be easier to drop napalm bombs.
Oh, and why would a LIDAR be necessary, if you already had access to surveyed topographic maps? You are just throwing everything into the kitchen sink in hopes of making a souffle.
(1) To use a phased array system statically, you'd need a stable relationship between elements. But to use a system one time for one mission, you'd only need to know their positions at the moment of use.
(2) As far as I am aware, the capabilities of satellites of this sort are not made known publicly. And not all are listed on the public ephemeris, for that matter.
(3) I've not seen a wild fire hot enough to melt metal that, yet, is confined to about -- what -- 100 ft in all directions, with no barriers? That's unusual, to say the least.
(4) Agree about off-axis aiming, for the obvious mathematical reasons.
(5) Why would LIDAR be necessary for ANYTHING, if you have topographic maps? Why create it at all? Why use it at all? But, yet, it was created, it was used, and we do need it, despite the existence of such maps. Perhaps our maps do not tell all, in terms of the data needed for every mission.
(6) Agree that if you had an unstable array and knew nothing of its current configuration, all you would get is side lobes.
...WOULD LOVE TO TALK MORE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS AND CERTAIN OTHER MATTERS. For whatever reason, I've not noticed you here, and I'd think I would have, as you're interesting and intelligent. I'm on and off here, so it's probably my fault.
EDIT: oh, and the aperture issues are not issues at all, depending upon how many satellites are participating in the project, over what span of space, with what spacing, and in how many dimensions. ...But I think you may know that...
(2) As far as I am aware, the capabilities of satellites of this sort are not made known publicly. And not all are listed on the public ephemeris, for that matter.
Exactly! They won't tell us, we have to figure it out!
(1) You would have to know the element positions to within an accuracy less than a wavelength of the radiation, and also have a time base that is accurate to less than the inverse of the frequency. This is possible if you have a monolithic system. It is practically impossible for two (or more) units that are separately located, with unknown and dynamic spacing, and separate time bases. Microwave wavelengths are typically on the order of centimeters. You would be lucky to know the position of another satellite to within meters. And you would have no way of knowing which way its boresight is pointed. I don't see that you would have any way of knowing which way YOUR boresight should be pointed (to aim at a target, and not just spray an entire island).
(2) There are no satellites with these capabilities, because of point (1). The burden is on you to put the finger on likely culprits. And see where they were at the times in question. This is the kind of detective work that is hard to do, but seems (by some) justifiable to just hand-wave.
(3) Just do an internet search. It didn't take me long to find examples of this from the California "Camp Fire" wildfire, and the Tennessee wildfires. Easy to do if the automobile gasoline tank fails under the environment, leaks, and ignites, also lighting the tires.
(4) Aiming is tough, especially if you have no means of seeing what you are trying to shoot.
(5) You don't need LIDAR if you have topographic maps. But you may want to conduct an experiment to compare LIDAR results to known topography. The point being: LIDAR was not needed for any imaginary DEW. And there is no logical basis for thinking that the LIDAR sats were weapons.
(6) Which is why the concept is unworkable. Not to mention the significant problem of orbital coordination.
(Edit) You are thinking of the notion of a sparsely-filled array. You can get something, but not for nothing. The resolution will not approach the diffraction limit.
Sorry about the fact that we are all "anons" out here. Have no fear. I am generally engaged in educating the populace about technology mythology.
The GPS system as a whole requires that independent satellites be located to within a tolerance of less than a centimeter and manage the problem of independent time bases. If a particular satellite timestamped its signature with data that was even a little inaccurate, the receiver would calculate a drastically marred positional result. You are (drastically) overstating the difficulty of this.
As for the oddity of the fires, I don't think the issue is that certain metals melted in an immense fire. Smelting is a "thing" -- we all get that. But there are odd isolated burn pockets. No path of burn leading to these pockets, and no path of burn leading away. There is no trace of fire anywhere near these pockets. What started the fires in these pockets? The ordinary function of a forest fire does not and cannot explain that. But a side lobe sure can.
By the way, my SUV caught fire some years back. Long story. Anyhow, yes, the gas tank ignited and there were huge, towering flames, and the whole thing burnt to the ground. Ask me if the rims melted. Nope. None of the metal melted. The fuel in the gas tank is insufficient to cause that result.
Do I think LIDAR was needed to conduct the mission? Perhaps. I couldn't tell you the accuracy of any topological map that may or may not exist. I can tell you that every time any construction is done -- even residential construction such as at my home -- the land is surveyed. They don't say: "hey, I'll just access some pre-existing topological map." Topography changes. So, yes. I think you'd want up-to-date accurate topological data. I certainly would. If you'd prefer to work from old data, even though you possessed the means to derive timely, accurate data, that would be your choice. But I'm pretty sure you know that no one would make such a choice.
As for your avocation relating to "educating" the populace, I'm not so sure you aren't on some sort of other mission.
It seems that the GPS satellite position accuracy is determined by terrestrial tracking as an update to its ephemeris. I am quite surprised at this improvement, but decades have passed since I worked with its performance limitations. I can't seem to find any quantitative reference to the ephemeris. The Wikipedia article on GPS ephemeris error analysis suggests that residual errors in satellite position amount to a few meters. I would be grateful if you could reference a source for your information. Even so, this would be problematic for radiation in the 1-5 centimeter band. Moreover, it would not contain pointing information. The final problem is signal timing, which would have to be provided by data link, which would incur latency errors. Still not a solved problem, in my view.
As for wildfires, they are known to leap from tree to tree, or for hot cinders to be blown by wind to outlying targets that catch fire (remember that Maui was windy at the time). No oddity for anyone familiar with wildfires. Just a deadly feature of their behavior. As for sidelobes, that is a stretch, since there is no evidence for a main lobe, and the transmitter positional errors and timing errors would produce a rapidly shifting sidelobe pattern. (This is what we see as "twinkle" from a star; the effect of the star's interference pattern shifting around with the effect of atmospheric refractive turbulence.)
Did your tires burn? Were the rims aluminum or steel? And how would that refute the fact that aluminum rims were melted in the California and Tennesse wildfires? Ignorance is no proof of hypothesis. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen elsewhere---for which there is evidence. This is the logic of "I wasn't stung by a bee...therefore bees don't sting."
You would only need topography if you were shooting blind and open-loop. How do you get your target location...down to the fraction of a meter? This is not the method for a directed energy weapon, which requires target sensing and feedback during the shot. The scenario is magical, because all wheels were melted---which would require at least two separate---and opposing---lines of sight to the target. The target aiming spots (two on each side) would had to have been each about a meter in diameter (no melting of the body). Explain to me the wavelength, aperture diameter, shot duration, time window of opportunity, and orbital altitude for this engagement scenario. It may seem "unreasonable," but everything about DEWs depends crucially on details. Getting any one of them wrong means the shot will not be possible. I did this for a living.
So, which were these satellites? Each one would have to be tracked and equipped as a GPS class satellite, be equipped with an array aperture meters in diameter, and a powerplant and heat rejection system to operate at megawatt levels or greater. Something like that would be conspicuous as hell to any nation that monitors our launches, and there would be comment and question. Crickets.
There is a commercially available system today that permits subscribers to get satellite-based positional data that is within 1 cm. Know why? Because the largest contributor to inaccuracies in the ephemeris is simply time lag. The ephemeris is updated infrequently. And as satellites drift, the data becomes inaccurate.
But, you can buy access to a system that calculates locational data based on up-to-the-second satellite positional information. And it offers accuracy to within 1 cm. (Few use the system, because it is expensive.)
This means that ALL contributions to error resolve to within 1 cm. And that is for a present-day commercial system.
Dude. Our military systems are obviously better than that. Let's not bullshit one another. The problems you cite with regard to position and time are straight-up bullshit. Sorry, but they are.
As for your thoughts about the qualitative aspects of the fire, ask yourself: could embers realistically fly two miles, and then burn two cars to the ground, with wheels melted, only to have the fire contained to a 100 ft x 100 ft area, with no ingress or egress path? Burn that hot and then go nowhere?
Why would an emergency worker say he has a photo of a cat that died standing up, with no fur burnt? Just a dead cat, standing. Not burnt. Cooked.
Moreover, why would General Flynn post a video about directed energy weapons, and say that if you don't want conspiracy theories, you shouldn't start conspiracies?
Nothing you say makes sense. Your arguments shift. The only common aspect from post to post is that you really don't want people to believe these systems could exist. ...This makes me wonder...
It's because they don't exist. You haven't established any facts that point to their existence. Assuming they exist is not proof of anything except wishful thinking.
And also because using them in this way is flagrantly ostentatious, unnecessary, and a waste of resources. Nor is there any evidence that the event was possible. I mentioned already that in order to melt all 4 wheels, a supposed DEW would need to attack from opposite sides. Good luck with that one. Or, how do you target a microwave weapon (picking wheels, for example)? You are limited to taking blind shots. (How to you find a target out of the ground clutter? That's a classic problem with radar.) What are the technical requirements to melt the wheels: intensity on target, beam spot diameter, line of sight distance? You haven't even established basic feasibility---and I don't back down from this, because I did target effects analysis for DEWs.
Accuracy to 1 cm is very good (I tip my hat) but completely inadequate for a microwave phased array; the projection field would be an incoherent interference pattern. How about the pointing requirement, satellite to satellite? If the array elements are pointed in uncontrolled or unknown directions, they will be unable to form a coherent beam. A real system would likely need to maneuver to attain the desired array geometry, and any maneuver would degrade the position accuracy. Oh, you could have laser radars between them. But you see that the system has a complexity floor of a GPS satellite, to which is added the complexity of a power generator package, a secure communication system, and a transmitter array. Explain to me again which launches (they are all announced) are candidates for such a satellite---and its orbital parameters. Show that ANY satellite passed overhead at a time consistent with the beginning of the fires.
As for embers, that's what happens in wildfires subject to strong winds. Nothing to cool an ember if it is motionless with respect to the wind that is carrying it. Happened in California. Happened in Tennessee. You can't hide behind the notion that this event was unique and therefore inexplicable.
A verbal claim about a photo of something that was not autopsied? No explanation of circumstances? Ever heard of thermal radiation? Fires emit this all the time. It's how we use them to cook.
Who knows why General Flynn says what he says? I don't have telepathy and neither do you. Moreover, puzzling questions have no definite answer. If I could insert my favorite answer, I would pick a fire-breathing dragon. No fire-breathing dragons? Well, there was a time when received opinion was that there were no okapis, either.
My arguments remain the same. I have provided more detail. You continue to wave your arms.
Those two cars were sitting in an empty dirt lot. What could have caused the wheels and exhaust manifold to melt? And ehats the melting point of automotive glass? The windshield melted in both vehicles
The gasoline in the automobile tanks catching fire and burning beneath the car, and also setting alight the rubber tires. The melting point of automotive glass is about the same as the melting point of the cast aluminum wheels, substantially below the flame temperature of gasoline and rubber.
Only certain kinds of glass melt at higher temperature (e.g., fused quartz), not auto glass. For one thing, the auto glass incorporates a transparent layer of plastic (anti-shatter) that would certainly melt. You should read a little more.
The burning temperatures of gasoline and rubber are in the high 2000s. More than enough to melt anything with a lower melting temperature. The videos also evidence the fact that all the upholstery was burned up, which also releases heat.
Look for wider examples. This same kind of thing was observed in the California "Camp Fire" wildfire and the Tennessee wildfires.
Tires are still enough. The interior was gutted by fire, so even if the seat cushions were removed, there would still be the interior coverings. Have you read about the California and Tennessee cases?
Not by any means a high power laser. The "research" is studies into atmospheric propagation of laser beams, which does not require "high power" at all---and in fact would be compromised by high power. The actual equipment in use for telescopic studies is the so-called "guidestar" laser that is used to probe the atmosphere to determine its refractivity (it causes fluorescence of a layer of sodium atoms high in the atmosphere). All these systems point upward. Pointing downward would constitute a safety hazard.
I am doubtful the Lahaina is "visible" from the Peterson facility. The topography has a high, mountainous "West Maui Forest Reserve" between it and Lahaina.
Maui is an island. Would that other 10% end up in the ocean? Hard to detect that.
It very well could end up there.
Might produce an unusual accumulation of dead aquatic creatures?
I'm hoping the much-vaunted autists here can help out! :-)
The water would absorb the energy. And the boats …
The axiom stating, "The cover-up is often worse than than the crime itself" is very applicable to Lahaine, Maui. This is the path to exposing it all. Their actions to conceal and to censor the tragedy that occurred is the best way of exposing their crimes. We can see this by asking: Why is everything locked down? Why is a curtain being constructed around the burned out areas? Why is a no-fly zone imposed? Why is there no cell phone use? and why is there a declaration in the Lahaina area as being a restricted area? It appears instead of gathering other community help, this place has become secretive and they are bringing in foreign help. The following are the obvious things the public can acknowledge. So far, we have learned:
Fire prevention practices throughout the Lahaina area were purposely neglected and previously abandoned.
There appears to be evidence that fires in Maui were purposely set.
The water was turned off.
No fire fighting units were dispatched to prevent the fires from descending into the city.
The roads were blocked by the police preventing people from escaping in their vehicles when the conflagration rapidly approached.
Over a thousand people died as a result.
The cover-up has become blatantly obvious.
And Why won't the officials mention any word about all the missing children?
IMHO, I believe it is to keep people away from their properties and to keep independent investigations from revealing any facts of dereliction and crimes committed by the mayor and city officials, along with the governor. Then we have the ridiculous story told by the Lahaina Chief of Police, John Pelletier. IMHO, Pellletier statements are designed to justify the cover-up. I seem to recall him saying anyone in the burned out area could unwittingly step on an incinerated body that would destroy any semblance of the victim for identification. This is a crock of Bullsh**. Like many other people, I don't trust Pelletier. He seems to have a dark cloud of controversy follow him every place he is employed.
The narrative being cast by Pelletier is that of cremation. To incinerate means to burn and reduce to ashes. This does not happen to the bones of the victims that died in a conflagration. The human skeleton is composed mostly of carbonates and calcium phosphates and give bone its extraordinary strength and durability to survive the intense heat required for cremation when all other body tissues are destroyed. At approximately 1292 degrees Fahrenheit, calcium phosphates begin to fuse together and change in color of the bone. The bones are not destroyed in a cremation process. Debunking Pelletier's statement is knowing that a carbon fire never reaches the high temperatures of incinerating human bones. The cremation process leaves behind the bones and require pulverization. Modern crematoriums use a pulverizing machine that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender and is called cremulator.
What Nino Rodriguez and Juan O Savin are speculating on regarding DEWs being used will only receive the official response of 'conspiracy theory' and 'dangerous' misinformation. And more calls to censor the Internet. There is really no way of proving DEWs to the general public as long as the official government response is 'plausible deniability'. It is government's favorite tactic for discrediting anyone, any group that raises questions. Censorship and crackdowns become real possibilities of government to be used. I have no doubt that DEW technology exists and has been used. However, I also believe the government will attempt to discredit any forum that pushes the DEW conspiracy. To me it's a bit of a honey-pot for an entrapment scheme and is part of a multi-tier operation against the American public that is very similar to what was used against Alex Jones. This government is looking for the excuse to implement government defacto restrictions (censorship) across the Internet. We are witnessing this happening in other nations. They are looking for an opportunity to do it here in the US. I earlier provided information that the same tactic used in Lahaine, Maui was successfully deployed in discrediting the DEW conspiracy theory that went viral on the Internet regarding Paradise, CA. The officials put a lid on "misinformation" regarding the Paradise, CA conflagration. Did you know that Judy Wood, Ph.D. was discredited and her career was destroyed for her theory of DEWs being used on the WTC towers? She can't even sell her book and it is listed online."Where Did the Towers Go?".
Where Did the Towers Go? is listed on Amazon for $51.50.
Yes, but it is also offered to be read on-line and downloadable. If you want to purchase it, don't let me hold you back. 😊😉😊😉
Glad I purchased Dr. Judy Wood's book, when it was published. By the way, DEWs are a touchey subject around here.
I also have Dr. Judy Wood's book. Indeed, I have never disputed the existence and even use of DEWs on 9-11, Paradise, CA or in Lahaine, Maui. I'm just saying that focusing on it is the wrong message and promoting it is a public campaign loser. Historically, it can be shown from both 9-11 and Paradise, CA it has harmed the investigation of finding the culprits behind the crime. It's not how these tragedies were carried out, but recognizing it as a criminal act and who is responsible.
Correct.
Once the terrain is digitized - the XY is known Lat/Lon, Z is displacement - a laser or other energy device, could be precisely calculated to operate in the "sweet spot" where the beam is perfectly focused for maximum energy transfer.
ALL lasers and energy devices are most effective near the center of their operating range. Lenses and beam shaping alter what is referred to as the "sweet spot" where the device is effectively operating in it's most efficient displacement range.
No different from an industrial laser, a "cut plan" could easily be calculated on a home PC, or even a phone. I do that on a daily basis...albeit on a smaller scale.
I hasten to add: with regard to the image of the LIDAR event, that event only spanned perhaps a second or so. Someone had to know in advance that it was going to occur to have filmed it. And then that person had to decide to publish the photo, so we could "remember" the event later, and speculate whether it was significant. Intelligence Community?
Hop on dustin Rhodes (WWE wrestler) twitter and go back a few weeks, he had a tweet from Maui that included 3 pictures, one of those pics shows a beam of light hitting the ground, and a rainbow/smoke
I posted it here two weeks ago and it was removed. I asked the mods why and never heard back....
Will do. Thank you.
Is this that evidence?
This man videotaped two different cars that were incinerated just like the other cars, but far away from the wildfire. No other evidence of fire near them at all. I saved the links, but now the videos have been removed:
8/27/23 - Maui D.E.W: Evidence of Direct Energy Weapon? Judge For Yourself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg2WV-B26pA - video removed
And: https://greatawakening.win/p/16c2W7qEuW/maui-dew-evidence-of-direct-ener/c/ - video removed
I could only find this article right now about that topic: 8/29/23 - MELTED CAR found two miles away from Lahaina Fire in Maui! – Was surround by gravel – ALL the major parts MELTED, including MOTOR! https://greeknewsondemand.com/2023/08/29/melted-car-found-two-miles-away-from-lahaina-fire-in-maui-was-surround-by-gravel-all-the-major-parts-melted-including-motor/
https://rumble.com/v3ejzrx-lahaina-maui-hawaii-d.e.w.-evidence-of-direct-energy-weapon-judge-for-yours.html
Here it is on Rumble.
DrMcCoy, I think you found the evidence. Holy shit. Thank you.
I copied the two videos around last week. This week they are missing.
Ha! They're trying to suppress the evidence. I'm actually gobsmacked that there's evidence of a side lobe out there. They plainly don't want knowledgeably people encountering that evidence.
The people should tear down the black "dust" barriers. They're cleaning up a crime scene and staging it to fit their narrative. They'll probably throw thousands of matches around by the handful, lol.
This is also very interesting:
That, my friend, could DEFINITELY be an example of a side lobe. Holy shit! Good work!
Please find that video. I'll look too!
Thank you for this post. Very informative, clear, rational and strong. 🚀
Just Google Images “burnt house” and compare a real house fire with images from 9/11, California and Maui. End of argument.
The selectivity of lasers being set to spare things of certain colors ( in Maui, blue) and all the undamaged blue things (rooves, cars) is rather clear evidence to me.
roofs.
pretty sure they mount this thing on the front of a jet with the stated purpose of " intercepting ICBMs " but it can totally be pointed at the ground and fired.
Ok, I’m looking..... wait, What am I looking for? Singed grass or a melted kiddie pool?
Anything that almost burned. Seems like a tough search.
I suppose that an accurate global heat map could work, if one exists that could be referenced over time.
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:today;@0.0,0.0,3.0z
Excellent!
Not a credible proposal. No such satellites have been launched---and, if you think they have been, kindly provide the satellite designations, launch dates, and orbital parameters, particularly inclination and altitude. And proof that such satellites could be close enough (how close?) for long enough (how long?) in any mutual passage over Maui. Generally, for LEO satellites, you have only minutes to pass from horizon to horizon.
Phased arrays exist, but only as monolithic systems (one emitter). Two things are essential about phased arrays: a rigid and constant-dimensioned framework for the array elements, and a common, high-precision timebase. We do not have the technology to control these elements for two, independent arrays. The net result of current methods is that all you will get will be "side lobes."
Metal reflects microwaves, so in order to melt aluminum, you would have to scorch the rest of the island at maybe 40 watts/cm2, or 0.4 megawatt/meter2. And this would be a much larger spot than a square meter, because small target spots would require a large satellite aperture. So, the requirements for power and aperture are prohibitive,.
The video of the melted wheels is sheer ignorance and proves nothing about DEWs or side lobes. Similar effects have been observed at the California "Camp Fire" wildfire and the recent wildfire in Tennessee (I have posted the photos elsewhere on this site). At some point, you have to realize that is is a commonplace occurrence at wildfires.
I spent decades working on laser DEWs, and spent time on the AWACS program studying how to mount phased-array antennas on the airframe for a communications link. The more off-axis you point the beam, the less the intensity of the beam becomes. There is also the interesting and non-trivial problem of pointing the beam. At present, such beams are the mainstay of radar systems, which are all about pointing and detecting. In order to have a microwave DEW, it would have to be also an imaging radar system---which is very hard to implement, since the beamwidth would have to be as small as the desired observable resolution of the image. Back to big aperture again, and extreme precision on the timing of the wavefront phasing. Frankly, there is no way to show that you would be able to hit a discrete target, unless you simply wanted to flood-illuminate the target. It would be easier to drop napalm bombs.
Oh, and why would a LIDAR be necessary, if you already had access to surveyed topographic maps? You are just throwing everything into the kitchen sink in hopes of making a souffle.
Would love to talk with you more.
(1) To use a phased array system statically, you'd need a stable relationship between elements. But to use a system one time for one mission, you'd only need to know their positions at the moment of use.
(2) As far as I am aware, the capabilities of satellites of this sort are not made known publicly. And not all are listed on the public ephemeris, for that matter.
(3) I've not seen a wild fire hot enough to melt metal that, yet, is confined to about -- what -- 100 ft in all directions, with no barriers? That's unusual, to say the least.
(4) Agree about off-axis aiming, for the obvious mathematical reasons.
(5) Why would LIDAR be necessary for ANYTHING, if you have topographic maps? Why create it at all? Why use it at all? But, yet, it was created, it was used, and we do need it, despite the existence of such maps. Perhaps our maps do not tell all, in terms of the data needed for every mission.
(6) Agree that if you had an unstable array and knew nothing of its current configuration, all you would get is side lobes.
...WOULD LOVE TO TALK MORE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS AND CERTAIN OTHER MATTERS. For whatever reason, I've not noticed you here, and I'd think I would have, as you're interesting and intelligent. I'm on and off here, so it's probably my fault.
EDIT: oh, and the aperture issues are not issues at all, depending upon how many satellites are participating in the project, over what span of space, with what spacing, and in how many dimensions. ...But I think you may know that...
(2) As far as I am aware, the capabilities of satellites of this sort are not made known publicly. And not all are listed on the public ephemeris, for that matter.
Exactly! They won't tell us, we have to figure it out!
(1) You would have to know the element positions to within an accuracy less than a wavelength of the radiation, and also have a time base that is accurate to less than the inverse of the frequency. This is possible if you have a monolithic system. It is practically impossible for two (or more) units that are separately located, with unknown and dynamic spacing, and separate time bases. Microwave wavelengths are typically on the order of centimeters. You would be lucky to know the position of another satellite to within meters. And you would have no way of knowing which way its boresight is pointed. I don't see that you would have any way of knowing which way YOUR boresight should be pointed (to aim at a target, and not just spray an entire island).
(2) There are no satellites with these capabilities, because of point (1). The burden is on you to put the finger on likely culprits. And see where they were at the times in question. This is the kind of detective work that is hard to do, but seems (by some) justifiable to just hand-wave.
(3) Just do an internet search. It didn't take me long to find examples of this from the California "Camp Fire" wildfire, and the Tennessee wildfires. Easy to do if the automobile gasoline tank fails under the environment, leaks, and ignites, also lighting the tires.
(4) Aiming is tough, especially if you have no means of seeing what you are trying to shoot.
(5) You don't need LIDAR if you have topographic maps. But you may want to conduct an experiment to compare LIDAR results to known topography. The point being: LIDAR was not needed for any imaginary DEW. And there is no logical basis for thinking that the LIDAR sats were weapons.
(6) Which is why the concept is unworkable. Not to mention the significant problem of orbital coordination.
(Edit) You are thinking of the notion of a sparsely-filled array. You can get something, but not for nothing. The resolution will not approach the diffraction limit.
Sorry about the fact that we are all "anons" out here. Have no fear. I am generally engaged in educating the populace about technology mythology.
The GPS system as a whole requires that independent satellites be located to within a tolerance of less than a centimeter and manage the problem of independent time bases. If a particular satellite timestamped its signature with data that was even a little inaccurate, the receiver would calculate a drastically marred positional result. You are (drastically) overstating the difficulty of this.
As for the oddity of the fires, I don't think the issue is that certain metals melted in an immense fire. Smelting is a "thing" -- we all get that. But there are odd isolated burn pockets. No path of burn leading to these pockets, and no path of burn leading away. There is no trace of fire anywhere near these pockets. What started the fires in these pockets? The ordinary function of a forest fire does not and cannot explain that. But a side lobe sure can.
By the way, my SUV caught fire some years back. Long story. Anyhow, yes, the gas tank ignited and there were huge, towering flames, and the whole thing burnt to the ground. Ask me if the rims melted. Nope. None of the metal melted. The fuel in the gas tank is insufficient to cause that result.
Do I think LIDAR was needed to conduct the mission? Perhaps. I couldn't tell you the accuracy of any topological map that may or may not exist. I can tell you that every time any construction is done -- even residential construction such as at my home -- the land is surveyed. They don't say: "hey, I'll just access some pre-existing topological map." Topography changes. So, yes. I think you'd want up-to-date accurate topological data. I certainly would. If you'd prefer to work from old data, even though you possessed the means to derive timely, accurate data, that would be your choice. But I'm pretty sure you know that no one would make such a choice.
As for your avocation relating to "educating" the populace, I'm not so sure you aren't on some sort of other mission.
It seems that the GPS satellite position accuracy is determined by terrestrial tracking as an update to its ephemeris. I am quite surprised at this improvement, but decades have passed since I worked with its performance limitations. I can't seem to find any quantitative reference to the ephemeris. The Wikipedia article on GPS ephemeris error analysis suggests that residual errors in satellite position amount to a few meters. I would be grateful if you could reference a source for your information. Even so, this would be problematic for radiation in the 1-5 centimeter band. Moreover, it would not contain pointing information. The final problem is signal timing, which would have to be provided by data link, which would incur latency errors. Still not a solved problem, in my view.
As for wildfires, they are known to leap from tree to tree, or for hot cinders to be blown by wind to outlying targets that catch fire (remember that Maui was windy at the time). No oddity for anyone familiar with wildfires. Just a deadly feature of their behavior. As for sidelobes, that is a stretch, since there is no evidence for a main lobe, and the transmitter positional errors and timing errors would produce a rapidly shifting sidelobe pattern. (This is what we see as "twinkle" from a star; the effect of the star's interference pattern shifting around with the effect of atmospheric refractive turbulence.)
Did your tires burn? Were the rims aluminum or steel? And how would that refute the fact that aluminum rims were melted in the California and Tennesse wildfires? Ignorance is no proof of hypothesis. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen elsewhere---for which there is evidence. This is the logic of "I wasn't stung by a bee...therefore bees don't sting."
You would only need topography if you were shooting blind and open-loop. How do you get your target location...down to the fraction of a meter? This is not the method for a directed energy weapon, which requires target sensing and feedback during the shot. The scenario is magical, because all wheels were melted---which would require at least two separate---and opposing---lines of sight to the target. The target aiming spots (two on each side) would had to have been each about a meter in diameter (no melting of the body). Explain to me the wavelength, aperture diameter, shot duration, time window of opportunity, and orbital altitude for this engagement scenario. It may seem "unreasonable," but everything about DEWs depends crucially on details. Getting any one of them wrong means the shot will not be possible. I did this for a living.
So, which were these satellites? Each one would have to be tracked and equipped as a GPS class satellite, be equipped with an array aperture meters in diameter, and a powerplant and heat rejection system to operate at megawatt levels or greater. Something like that would be conspicuous as hell to any nation that monitors our launches, and there would be comment and question. Crickets.
Death,
There is a commercially available system today that permits subscribers to get satellite-based positional data that is within 1 cm. Know why? Because the largest contributor to inaccuracies in the ephemeris is simply time lag. The ephemeris is updated infrequently. And as satellites drift, the data becomes inaccurate.
But, you can buy access to a system that calculates locational data based on up-to-the-second satellite positional information. And it offers accuracy to within 1 cm. (Few use the system, because it is expensive.)
This means that ALL contributions to error resolve to within 1 cm. And that is for a present-day commercial system.
Dude. Our military systems are obviously better than that. Let's not bullshit one another. The problems you cite with regard to position and time are straight-up bullshit. Sorry, but they are.
As for your thoughts about the qualitative aspects of the fire, ask yourself: could embers realistically fly two miles, and then burn two cars to the ground, with wheels melted, only to have the fire contained to a 100 ft x 100 ft area, with no ingress or egress path? Burn that hot and then go nowhere?
Why would an emergency worker say he has a photo of a cat that died standing up, with no fur burnt? Just a dead cat, standing. Not burnt. Cooked.
Moreover, why would General Flynn post a video about directed energy weapons, and say that if you don't want conspiracy theories, you shouldn't start conspiracies?
Nothing you say makes sense. Your arguments shift. The only common aspect from post to post is that you really don't want people to believe these systems could exist. ...This makes me wonder...
It's because they don't exist. You haven't established any facts that point to their existence. Assuming they exist is not proof of anything except wishful thinking.
And also because using them in this way is flagrantly ostentatious, unnecessary, and a waste of resources. Nor is there any evidence that the event was possible. I mentioned already that in order to melt all 4 wheels, a supposed DEW would need to attack from opposite sides. Good luck with that one. Or, how do you target a microwave weapon (picking wheels, for example)? You are limited to taking blind shots. (How to you find a target out of the ground clutter? That's a classic problem with radar.) What are the technical requirements to melt the wheels: intensity on target, beam spot diameter, line of sight distance? You haven't even established basic feasibility---and I don't back down from this, because I did target effects analysis for DEWs.
Accuracy to 1 cm is very good (I tip my hat) but completely inadequate for a microwave phased array; the projection field would be an incoherent interference pattern. How about the pointing requirement, satellite to satellite? If the array elements are pointed in uncontrolled or unknown directions, they will be unable to form a coherent beam. A real system would likely need to maneuver to attain the desired array geometry, and any maneuver would degrade the position accuracy. Oh, you could have laser radars between them. But you see that the system has a complexity floor of a GPS satellite, to which is added the complexity of a power generator package, a secure communication system, and a transmitter array. Explain to me again which launches (they are all announced) are candidates for such a satellite---and its orbital parameters. Show that ANY satellite passed overhead at a time consistent with the beginning of the fires.
As for embers, that's what happens in wildfires subject to strong winds. Nothing to cool an ember if it is motionless with respect to the wind that is carrying it. Happened in California. Happened in Tennessee. You can't hide behind the notion that this event was unique and therefore inexplicable.
A verbal claim about a photo of something that was not autopsied? No explanation of circumstances? Ever heard of thermal radiation? Fires emit this all the time. It's how we use them to cook.
Who knows why General Flynn says what he says? I don't have telepathy and neither do you. Moreover, puzzling questions have no definite answer. If I could insert my favorite answer, I would pick a fire-breathing dragon. No fire-breathing dragons? Well, there was a time when received opinion was that there were no okapis, either.
My arguments remain the same. I have provided more detail. You continue to wave your arms.
Those two cars were sitting in an empty dirt lot. What could have caused the wheels and exhaust manifold to melt? And ehats the melting point of automotive glass? The windshield melted in both vehicles
The gasoline in the automobile tanks catching fire and burning beneath the car, and also setting alight the rubber tires. The melting point of automotive glass is about the same as the melting point of the cast aluminum wheels, substantially below the flame temperature of gasoline and rubber.
Everything I've read has the wheels burning at 1200-1500 and glass at 2500.
Those two cars were abandoned and sitting there for a long time according to a few different videos I've seen made by loxals
Only certain kinds of glass melt at higher temperature (e.g., fused quartz), not auto glass. For one thing, the auto glass incorporates a transparent layer of plastic (anti-shatter) that would certainly melt. You should read a little more.
The burning temperatures of gasoline and rubber are in the high 2000s. More than enough to melt anything with a lower melting temperature. The videos also evidence the fact that all the upholstery was burned up, which also releases heat.
Look for wider examples. This same kind of thing was observed in the California "Camp Fire" wildfire and the Tennessee wildfires.
The cars were abandoned, no gas. No upholstery. You should read more.
Tires are still enough. The interior was gutted by fire, so even if the seat cushions were removed, there would still be the interior coverings. Have you read about the California and Tennessee cases?
Not by any means a high power laser. The "research" is studies into atmospheric propagation of laser beams, which does not require "high power" at all---and in fact would be compromised by high power. The actual equipment in use for telescopic studies is the so-called "guidestar" laser that is used to probe the atmosphere to determine its refractivity (it causes fluorescence of a layer of sodium atoms high in the atmosphere). All these systems point upward. Pointing downward would constitute a safety hazard.
I am doubtful the Lahaina is "visible" from the Peterson facility. The topography has a high, mountainous "West Maui Forest Reserve" between it and Lahaina.
Ok... I need to check that out!