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Gaetz working behind the scenes to remove McCarthy as speaker over his handling of the spending dispute and courting some House Democrats to help (redstate.com)
posted 2 years ago by Excelsior 2 years ago by Excelsior +191 / -0
Gaetz Reportedly Seeking to Topple McCarthy Amid Government Shutdown Fight
 
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– FractalizingIron 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

McCarthy is there because Trump wanted him there. Optically, Gaetz represents MAGA and it Trump's representative / mouthpiece to the House, and McCarthy represents the Establishment (Swampy rinos).

Why on earth do pedes look at this situation with normies eyes, and just take everything at the surface?

If Gaetz is moving to remove MCCarthy, then its because Trump has a reason for it. But also Gaetz APPEARING to attack McCarthy, or appearing to try to remove him, etc, provides optical shielding (narrative shielding) to the MAGA position, and helps to promote the optics (narrative) of how the Establishment is bogus and no good, and MAGA, in the future, aka Trump, will need to purge both rinos and demoncrats (aka the Swamp) from the system.

Think about DJT. Does anyone really think that if the Rinos in the house are actually rinos (like some seem to think McCarthy is, instead of thinking that McCarthy is playing his role), then DJT COULD be elected as Speaker? I don't see how it would be possible. Look at how much the Rep party is scared of Trump, as evidenced by the debates and primaries and all the silly 'candidates'.

Unless the house majority is 100% under White Hat control. And if that's the case, then why think that McCarthy is really just s slimeball, instead of a flipped actor moving at the behest of Trump?

The two ideas a contradictory. Either McCarthy et all are really ALL pure rinos and McCarthy is NOT playing a role for the purpose of educating the People of America and the feud between him and gaetz is all 100% real AND it is impossible for DJT to be elected Speaker, OR There is significant WH control, McCarthy and Gaetz are playing their role in cooperation with Trump, in order to expose the deep state to the point where even the most oblivious American starts to wonder how bad it all really is.

From the article: "The feud between ....."

In the past, we KNOW that almost all the politics was bogus kayfabe. That's the MEANING of the Swamp. It was always Dems and Republican rats, pretending to be opponents, but in reality, they simply were taking in turns at sharing the spoils of sucking the People and country of America dry.

So, why, now all of a sudden, should we start taking things at surface appearance?

Think about it like this: Previously, it was all acting (kayfabe) for the purpose of misleading the public by creating narratives that kept them in the dark while the Swamp sucked the blood.

NOW, under Trump and with the White Hats essentially flipping the whole game from a position of having the upper hand (and thus control), Kayfabe is still there, but the purpose is 180 degrees the opposite. Under the white hat influence, the kayfabe is about shaping narratives that EXPOSE the corruption of the swamp, the 2-tier justice system, the corrupt taking of bribes and such like the Bidens, etc, etc, etc.

It has been as necessary to have McCarthy in there as it has been to have Biden in there. Do we really think that if DJT "caught them all" and has all the goods, that there isn't a very important reason why he let Biden step into the White House?

Consider how the information has now been pouring out steadily about all sorts of corruption, etc. So do you really think that the what information gets out when is not being orchestrated? For it to be orchestrated on a timeline for maximum effect really REQUIRES that various players like Gaetz and McCarthy behave in a certain way at a certain time, too.

So, let's practice stepping back, practice not REACTING to the fricken newspaper stories, but try to look and understand what is REALLY going on and separate fact from narrative. Because at this point, we should all realize that what LOOKS like it is happening is NOT what is really happening. It never has been, so why would that change?

Maybe McCarthy IS really STILL a scumbag, and he and Gaetz are not working cooperatively, but then, who do you really expect Gaetz wants to replace McCarthy? Because Gaetz would not, in my opinion, do anything to remove McCarthy (who Trump said he wanted as speaker) unless there was a very clear plan on who would replace him.

$0.02

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– Jenmon 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

My take: Trump wanted/put McCarthy in as Speaker because he needed to be exposed as a UniParty RINO. Like Q said ‘sometimes you can’t tell the public the truth. YOU MUST SHOW THEM’. Perhaps Trump was hopeful McCarthy would do the right thing as Speaker, all along knowing who he really is. Also, I think the Dems have something on McCarthy that he doesn’t want to be made public (I have my thoughts on what it could be but won’t speculate here). Either way Trump, Q knows all and THIS IS THE PLAN.

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The idea that McCarthy needed to be 'exposed' and McCarthy is working for Trump are not mutually exclusive. McCarthy has always been one of the swamp creatures. But what needs to be exposed is NOT an individual. It's the system.

Think about it. If McCarthy (the individual) is being exposed, WHO do you think he is being exposed to? MAGA? Maga is already on Trump's side. Maga is Gaetz. Maga already knows that there are Rinos, and that the swamp is really a swamp.

So who is McCarthy being exposed to? Non-maga? Unaligned people? The great middle? HOW he is being exposed? I mean, all those people in the middle - the non-aligned, the non-maga, including a very large portion of both Democrat and Republican voters - are the one's who BELIEVE in the Dem-Rep two party narrative.

I don't think it makes much sense to posit that Trump put McCarthy in as speaker in order to expose McCarthy the individual, any more than it makes sense to posit that Trump let Biden take the white house in order to .... expose Joe Biden?

In my view, none of this is about individuals. It's not about Hillary, it's not about Obama, it's not about Feinstein, and it's not about Biden. It's about the SYSTEM that has been in place for decades now, a system that is sick and riddled to its very core with corruption. That's what needs to be exposed.

That's what the people of America and the world need to wake up to. Because without that wake up, Trump or anyone else who follows him will not have the public mandate to do what needs to be done. The nation, most of our nations, have been deliberately divided by the Cabal in order to install this corrupt system, and while the sick, corrupt low level players siphon off wealth and enrich themselves, they are facilitating the ultimate objective of world slavery.

To re-unite the people, they have to wake up to the realization of the existence of this corrupt system, and having Biden in the white house is virtually the prefect DOORWAY to exposing the US swamp, because his crime family is the epitome of it.

(My personal opinion - while I don't have proof - is that Trump and the white hats, knowing the DS playbook, baited the swamp somehow to make Biden the candidate, knowing they would attempt to steal the election. I think the white hats had everything on Biden a LONG time ago. it's entirely possible that Hunter had become a source for the white hat justice. "forgot his laptop"? Really?)

I think that observing how everything at the start of the year went almost 'perfectly' - with the speaker election raising the profile and POWER of the Maga contingent, whose centerpiece is Gaetz, with the concessions conveniently being acquired, etc. I think that DJT's team (white hats) wanted McCarthy in as speaker, and got McCarthy to go along.

Why? To help expose the uniparty system and the reality of the rino contingent. In other words, McCarthy has been shown enough so that he understands there is no way out for him or the swam, so he 'flipped' on his swamp past, and now both he and gaetz are taking their marching orders from DJT with the express purpose of highlighting, through all the drama, all the nonsense, the confrontation (I mean, Gaetz is SO over the top a lot of the time, which is great for that 'role') of exposing the system.

In the swamp, someone is ALWAYS taking their marching orders from someone. No one is a 'free agent'. Either they are taking their marching orders from the Deep State controllers, either lower or higher, or they are taking their marching orders from someone else. I.e. the white hats and Trump. I don't see how there is any real room for 'hoping X person will "do the right thing" ' unless them NOT doing the right thing is immaterial and doesn't matter.

Military planning doesn't hinge on 'hoping someone does x'. It plans, and removes or controls all the possible variables with contingency plans.

inflation: $0.023

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– therobots 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Trump coming in Before pedo-joe being impeached would not seem to follow the current optics strategy.

After impeachment vote, then maybe.

Or Trump could kill the impeachment and force dems to 25th him instead.

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– Greatheart 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You are not going to find anyone more Pro Trump then me.

I just wanted to get that out of the way before this next statement.

President Trump is also playing a role. I do not believe that He is the one making all the decisions.

Of course he is WAY UP the chain. There is no question about that. I think the White Hats are doing this by the Book (Law of War manual). President Trump may have the final call on some decisions because he is (was) President and this is all by the book.

I have read through some of that Manual and I get completely lost.. That says a lot about public education of which I am a product.

President Trump is obviously the face of the White Hat operation. While only a few of the White Hats know the entire plan there may well be hundreds / thousands more that are like minded White Hats from around the world that know a good percentage of what is going on.

The people in the public view are playing their roles. Some of those people have put their lives and the lives of their families on the line for a cause they believe is greater than themselves. Some have also sacrificed their reputations for the plan. Of course President Trump is in that list.

They are all heroes and deserve our highest respect.

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– FractalizingIron 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I agree with almost all of the sentiments you've expressed here, except perhaps the idea that this is all about the Law of War manual. I think that it's likely a component, but I don't pin everything on it like some do.

To me, it's unclear how exactly all that is connected, if at all, (even though I've reviewed some of it and exposed myself to Majic Eyes only, interpretations, etc.)

Also, LoW manual was NOT written for lay persons. It's designed and written specifically for Department of Defense personnel.

This manual is a Department of Defense (DoD)-wide resource for DoD personnel – including commanders, legal practitioners, and other military and civilian personnel – on the law of war.

It's a highly technical document, and I think it would be a big ask to have anyone with just a routine public education or even a specialist education in other fields, to grasp it. So perhaps don't be so harsh on yourself.

Moreover, its about WAR and the legal or lawful aspects of conducting war between two or more belligerent powers. If you are reading it as it its going to explain everything about the PLAN or what the white hats are doing, I don't think you are going to find those answers.

There will be aspects of the current operations (plan) to which the LoW will be relevant, but a lot of other aspects that are not, as well.

Anyway, besides this, I think all your other points are spot on and well said. God bless you for your patriotic heart, fren.

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– Greatheart 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Thanks, I agree with you about the Law of War Manual.

I should have just said that the White Hats of following a legal plan that will hold up in a court of law. A REAL court of law of course.

If that legal plan is the Law of War manual than that is what it is. If the Law of War manual is just a component than like you said they have another legal avenue that they are following.

Thanks for the reply and also for reminding me that the Law of War manual is not something you can just pick up and understand without a solid understanding the technical underpinnings.

I think that manual is harder to decipher than the mumble jumble we are required to sign off on every time we load new software on our computers.

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– Pbman2 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Good send the clown to the back bench...

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– AmazingFlightLizard 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Doesn’t need to be on any committees, either.

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– Merkava_4 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Then, who will be speaker?

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– Tewdryg 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Gaetz

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– deleted 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0
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– AngelCole 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Who will take his place, PDJT? 🤔😁

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– CMAnon 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

That's been a theory for quite some time. It very well might materialize. It was a big fear that Killary had from the start. The plot thickens.....

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– AReckoningIsComing 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Is it even possible? Especially with his upcoming trials. Could he still run for Prez whilst being Speaker??

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– Captainzoomer 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

DeSantis is still governor of Florida.

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– BilleeBeene 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

BIG SHOE Kev…🤔

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– deleted 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0
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– 427windsorman 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Based on the speech Rand Paul just delivered in regards to funding Ukraine and the Federal government shutdown, Matt should be seeking Rand's support to remove McCarthy.

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– WeAreThePlan 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Go Matt! Definitely one of the good guys. And we have to be careful how we identify the good guys.

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